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Maybe some voluntarists (but

Maybe some voluntarists (but not this one) would argue that voluntarily entering into a contract to join an association where majority rules is not voluntary. If that's who you're trying to pin down in this thread then I'm with you!

But I have a sneaking suspicion that you're trying to pin down the voluntarist who would agree that your scenario is voluntary, and then argue that there is no difference between your scenario and our present nation state situation.

THAT is where Jefferson's observations are relevant. In our present situation, our participation was in no way, shape or form entered into voluntarily.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein