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Edit: forgot to add my next question

Adding my second question at the top:

Is it just on NAP for people to arrest police officers who have previously arrested innocent people in order to enforce some restitution to the innocent victims they arrested?

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My original response:

This contradicts the entire conception of justice wherein a person's acts are just, or not, on the basis of their own intent and knowledge in relation to the action.

If someone commits force in self defense, it is justified, if not, it is unjustified.

This has nothing to do with information ascertained about the victim in a tribunal later, whether he had previously acted aggressively in some other context.

In essence, you are arguing that if Bob kills Sue, and Sue was guilty of murder 25 years earlier, unbeknownst to Bob, then Bob can justify his act by dredging up this earlier crime.

This is obviously an absurd conception of justice, and is analogous to Security Agent A attacking suspect B, and being exonerated, or convicted, based on information dredged up 20 years later at the conclusion of the trial.

Someone else's possible guilt does nothing to determine whether my act in attacking them is right or not; it is just or unjust at that moment, based on my knowledge, intent and state of mind at the time of the act.

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No, I don't agree that punishment is self defense.

Self defense is self defense, punishment is punishment. We have different words because they're different concepts, and not the same on their standard definitions.

I'll note that this was clearly stated above; punishment even by the direct victim is not self defense as defined in normal usage.

I accepted your non standard use of the term as a possible explanation for your view, and explained further that this has no bearing on the action of a third party who was not present at the crime; he cannot attack the accused in self defense, even if we extend the definition of self defense to include punishment by the victim, which we have no obligation to do.