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Birth Certificate is Not Required - Obama Can Not Be A NATURAL Born Citizen No Way, No How. Here's Why

The birth certificate is just a distraction.

It's the 14th amendment that's the smoking gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP2dTn9SKnw

According to Dr. Taitz it makes no difference if Obama was born in the White House, in the Lincoln bedroom...he would not be a natural born citizen. This is because his father was never a citizen, he was a British citizen due to the fact that Kenya was at one time a British colony. And when Kenya gained their independence he would have been a Kenyan citizen. She said that a natural born citizen is someone whose parents do not owe allegiance to another country. Obama's father owed allegiance to Britain and later to Kenya.

Therefore, Obama is not a NATURAL born citizen and can not be president.

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Father's birth record on Family Ancestry

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?P...

Ph.D. Barack Hussein Obama Compact Disc #145 Pin #3785668 Pedigree
Sex: M
Event(s)
Birth: 1936
Alego, Kisumu District, Nyanza Province, Kenya
Death: 1982
Nairobi, Kenya
Parents
Father: Onyango Hussein Obama Disc #145 Pin #3785677
Mother: Akuma\Akumu (Obama) Disc #145 Pin #3785679
Marriage(s)
Spouse: Stanley Ann Dunham Disc #145 Pin #3785666
Marriage: abt 1960

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Even if he is not natural born citizen

This is the least important Cobsirurional principle which has been violated and ignored in the past decades. Let's focus our energies on things that matter--like gitmo, the fed, carbon tax...

It's good to spread the word

It's good to spread the word so people realize what a fraud he is.

Whether he has a U.S. bc is

Whether he has a U.S. bc is important if the court rules by emotion and finds the 14th amendment does not exclude him by virtue of his father's citizenship and declares Obama natural born. They are less likely to do so if there is doubt to the authenticity of his bc.

Family Search is not documented

As a genealogist I know the Family Search website is not documented. Most information is submitted by any family member and can have mistakes and guesswork. A good starting place for family trees, but not to be relied on for documented accuracy.

Doesn't matter.

Obama has already stated that his dad was a British citizen.. he tried in the beginning to pass himself off as a dual national.

Chief Justice John Roberts,

Chief Justice John Roberts, Orly Taitz, Dr Taitz confronts Justice Roberts, March 21, 2009, YouTube video, University of Idaho, Bellwood lecture, Obama not eligible, Barack Obama not natural born citizen
March 21, 2009 · 45 Comments

Dr. Orly Taitz, the courageous immigrant from Russia,
the true American, can be seen and heard confronting
Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, John Roberts,
at the conclusion of the Bellwood lecture at the
University of Idaho. Dr. Taitz is involved in multiple
lawsuits at the state and Supreme Court level that
state that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen
and is ineligible to be president. Orly Taitz has
enlisted numerous military officers and soldiers as
plaintiffs in her lawsuits.

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/chief-justice-j...

Has anybody else got this

Has anybody else got this email today? If so, what do you make of it???

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.

The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president....

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
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“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
www.4HUTS.com

Wow! Lots of people were thinking that all along, but no proof.

Can You post a link? AP?
Just got home, will look for this info.
I think Alan Keyes is with that group, right?
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I don't have a link, that is

I don't have a link, that is why I am suspicious. I got this email from a military friend. The email claims it came from Snopes. That is all I know. Until, this is posted on something we can verify, I am not holding my breath!

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
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“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
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Occidental College was Subpoenaed back in February

I think it was Keyes vs. Bowen, but maybe others too.

Even though the email might be a hoax, this could still be true and happen.

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"I think it would be a good idea"

Mahatma Gandhi,
when asked what he thought of Western civilization

God is at home, it's we who have gone out for a walk."
Meister Eckhart

looks like a hoax

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"I think it would be a good idea"

Mahatma Gandhi,
when asked what he thought of Western civilization

God is at home, it's we who have gone out for a walk."
Meister Eckhart

I agree, it smells

I agree, it smells fishy!!!

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
www.4HUTS.com

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
www.4HUTS.com

You all appear to be right.

You all appear to be right. Just Google "Americans for Freedom of Information"

Thanks, it is a

Thanks, it is a hoax!!!

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
www.4HUTS.com

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
www.4HUTS.com

Obama bans his public records

Google executive order 13489 the very first thing he did once in office

Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.

(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise

of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection

(a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive

privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any

such determination.

What this says, is that only the Attorney General and Council to the President, are able to review records' requests and determine if they can be made public or not (what they deem appropriate).

Did you know Eric Holder is a personal close-friend of Obama's? Eric Holder was even on his campaign when usurping for Presidency. Eric has stated himself that he shares Obama's same views on the "World" and "Race".

In effect, what this order does is over-turn the previous executive order by Bush, that Presidential records can be made publicly available through the Freedom of Information Act.

Executive Order link: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.

Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.

Is Hawaii Really a State of the Union?

I don't really know, but I found this website and thought I should share it.

The following information provides an historical perspective on how Hawaii came to be integrated into the United States as a state of the Union, and the fact that this status is not and has never been legally valid.

www.hawaii-nation.org/statehood.html

America gained possession of Hawaii through a succession of illegal acts, in 1893, 1898, and 1959, and has admitted to fact of these crimes. Hawaiian national sovereignty has never been extinguished. Essentially, the country of Hawaii is currently illegally occupied by a foreign military power.

The statehood vote, both in terms of the question asked and the people who were allowed to vote, was in no way a valid act of self-determination, and did not legitimize the occupation. Hawaii has never legally been a state of the United States.

The option of independence for Hawaii exists to this day, and the voices supporting this option are growing steadily.

Please consider these facts carefully and share them with all who may be interested.

Mahalo

Am I the only one who thinks this irrelevant?

If as you and many others say that Obama is not eligible due to his citizenship status.....What do we get next....Biden? In fact isn’t it better to have a rabid socialist that is so called illegitimately holding the office of presidency??? Obama is the best thing to happen to America since Jimmy Carter....Doesn’t anyone see this? He will wake up a large minority of Americans to the fact that ALL GOVERNMENT CANDIDATES (excluding the rare few) are illegitimately holding office. Lets face it they almost all vote for unconstitutional laws and regulations. If we lose Obama we lose the lightening rod for that remnant in America that needs to wake up.

Dunno if this will go anywhere...

But I hope it does.

1./ Biden would serve for xx months while a new election takes place.

2./ Most important, everything that Obama has signed into law will no longer be legal.

It's a small chance to at least turn back the clock a tad... as well as wake the public up to exactly what you pointed out.

it's not irrelevant

While I agree that Obama will speed up the awakening, his illegitimacy should be investigated and spoken of. It is just another piece of evidence pointing to the ruling elite's contempt for following the constitution.

As with any crime against the people, the cover-ups always draw more pests into it's web. As this issue gains traction the remnant will gain power and as the economy declines, war continues and states go belly up, many newly awakened people will look to liberty for answers.

But to just ignore the facts and give BHO a pass because we don't like the alternative is morally wrong. IMO

This was planned

They want to constantly erode the Constitution. And I think they planned to use this as another catalyst for martial law. EVERYTHING they do is well mapped out and planned to the letter; this is no accident. Also him being black is no accident--this divides races if unrest occurs.

"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. — John Adams

There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man. — Tolstoy

Can I get a passport if I post a scan of my birth certificate

online? How is this enough for people with the president?

Nope.

Face it, you can't even play ball without one.

We had to pay for a new, with seal, BC so our 7 year-old daughter could play Little League. We had one here from when she was born, but for some reason (I forget- maybe it didn't have the raised seal, or the seal had been flattened in storage?) we had to go to city hall & pay $12.00 for a new one.

Ridiculous.

Ridiculous is right. While

Ridiculous is right. While you are made to jump through hoops in order for your daughter to play little league. There are no such hoops for Obama. In fact, it's said that he has spent close to a million dollars of campaign funds on attorneys fees just to avoid having to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate.

What does that tell you or anyone with an ounce of common sense?

well said Mike

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Ok, so why would the big

Ok, so why would the big huge zionist-nwo-illuminati-bilderburg with their plan to take over the world and kill us all in Fema camps put someone illegial in power? If all the elections are rigged by the great super-power group of the world, and all the political parties are in on the great scheme, why not let Hillary win and help take over the world? Why not a goat? After all, they control everything and now they're going to let their plan be foiled by putting an illegial in the white house.

My quess is Arnold Schwartzenegger

Arnold gets what Arnold wants, and Arnold wants to be president.. he is very good friends with neoliba dn neocons...so how does the duopoly wotrking inside obth parties get their man elected? They give us "Obama". or a "McCain", either way, it opens the door for Arnold to make a case... which he will.

For all the naysayers about the importance of this issue

You're right.
We no longer operate under the Constitution. The courts, the congressmen and our military are largely oblivious or purposefully treasonous to the document they all swore an oath. They don't care.

But you know who does care? The people. We are the ones who really make a difference and if you doubt that then go home. We don't need anyone who's willing to let a bunch of people who don't care trample all over us. Cut your losses already it's a dead issue to you already so lay down.

People in Townhall meetings, Decorated Soldiers, Veteran Lawyers, Judges, Congressmen are all standing up with the people to be heard on the birth certificate issue. Too bad the people who really don't care have infected those who could have cared.

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I'm not responding

I'm not responding
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

Thou shalt not steal, gov't hates the competition

Who cares?

Who cares where he was born? He's not a bad guy, because he was born in Kenia or whatever, but because he's the president, an authoritarian tyrant who takes pleasure in ruling over others. Now it would be fun if he could be kicked out of the white house because he's not a natural born citizen, but we all know that that's not going to happen. But let's say he would get kicked out, what would happen? Well, another establishment sadist would take his place and defile mankind. That's why i prefer not to dwell on this silly right wing talk radio talking point.

Roc you sound like a defeatist, we can kick him out.

BO is a lair and a crook.

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Ron Paul is my President.

Ron Paul is my President.

I'm not responding to idiot

I'm not responding to idiot statements any longer, SORRY
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

Thou shalt not steal, gov't hates the competition

If Obama is not elegible then Bidden a worse NEOCON is President

If Obama is not elegible then Bidden, a worse NEOCON, is President.

I don't see the benefit of arguing this out. Even if it were true, it would only show that we are not following the Constitution. Would that surprise you?

I truly think that this birth certificate thing is a neocon way to keep us trapped in the 'left-right paradigm'. Otherwise why would neocon/zionist WND push it so much???

Or maybe they are distracting us from the real issue; AUDITING THE FED!

So please... all eyes on the goal; LET'S END THE FED!

:0) DON'T FEED THE THROLLS :0)

"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and s

Completely Agree

Cut off the head and the body dies...End the FED...then we can stop the madness that is going on in our government....no easy money..no foriegn wars...no empire...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

Seems likely....

....Biden is far far worse & therefore for it to ever work, they would both have to be constitutionally disqualified. Just a big distraction.

Wait a minute

Barry picked Biden....Barry goes down Biden only takes control for 3 months and we're suppose to get a new election...But..Biden shouldnt get even a day...because Barry picked him..if all of the illegal laws Barry signed are reversed..then Biden must be also

Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.

Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.

Some folks are still under

Some folks are still under the illusion that they are operating under the Constitution. You don't need to be a natural born citizen to be president of a corporation. You only need to be a natural citizen if you want to be president of the original American Constitutional republic set up by the founders. Obama is CEO of the U. S. Corporation which is posing as the Constitutional republican government that was originally set up.

The Elections are a sham to trick you in continuing to believe the lie and it is working like a charm.

There is no political solution because there is no representative true republic it is dormant.

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Ron Paul is my President.

Ron Paul is my President.

I wonder what Sasha & Malia are hearing about this, & what

explanation their parents are giving them? Or Grandma, or, the Secret Service. I wonder what the Secret Service are permitted to tell them when they're asked questions. What if the kids say, I've already asked my mommy & daddy & grandma, now I'm asking you.

For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E. Bugs are c

Obama IS NOT a natural born citizen

I do not care whether he's good or bad, but lets just say he's good.

The fact is he's not a natural born citizen.

A) NOTHING in our constitution, NOTHING anywhere allows for a foreign born citizen or mercenary to take elective office of the Presidency under any circumstances no matter the case.

B) The Constitution explicitly makes it clear that, no officer who has to hold the office of the President, shall be a foreign citizen due to the possibility of serving "DUAL" allegiances OUTSIDE of the United States Government.

C) If someone is German and only serves Germany, they shouldn't be here at all and should be under arrest. If someone is Israeli and only serves Israel, same thing, except they should be taze shocked before they're DEPORTED!!!

And if someone is in the office of the Presidency, serving and representing these foreign governments for the purpose of a "Zionist Global Government" then - no matter what, they are NOT qualified and should be removed per Article 1.

Obama is DEFRAUDING the United States and the people are awakening to this!

Obama: up shit creek

A letter by a veteran to Orly posted on her website:

Dr. Taitz, it has been awhile since I have emailed you. I want to make the following points:

1. Don’t stop!
2. Veterans and retired vets like me are behind you in huge numbers.
3. Sovereignty statements by States are being signed by the numbers, and my Tennessee even has the Governor’s signature.
4. The video of the woman declaring him a Kenyan is just the tip of the iceberg in the court of public opinion - no one wants to be fooled.
5. Citizens are even arming themselves in record numbers and high quality militias are getting requests from average citizens about what they can do if this usurper turns on the population.
6. Legitimate government has the consent of the people according to our very founding and the law is the framework - i.e. the Constitution itself.
7. As a retired officer I am appalled at the blatant corruption and constitutional violations right before my very eyes - committed by a party, the Congress and the usurpation himself.
8. He (Soetero) refuses to the ascent of the laws and is taxing us with Congress against our will - if you look at the Declaration of Independence you will see those charges levied against King George - a declared nut case himself. Read the Declaration of Independence and you will see the charge of sending officers into the field to harass citizens - they obviously met with or called the defense contractor to get Major Cook fired, denying him an income, which is a punitive damage for asking a question that in my 20 years of training and experience as a military man is considered legitimate, i.e. is that order lawful or lawfully given from the CIC down?
9. Etc.

Just a few points to think about Dr. Taitz - so keep up the good fight while we out here are preparing ourselves and speed dialing our representatives - to wit, we hope the Constitution wins by our efforts. I am a law abiding and good hearted citizen - I love and fear God - I would die for my Country if required and for my family whose future is now at stake. I almost lost my life 3 times in military service - making Bill Ayers definitely my enemy (Soetero’s friend.)

The state/Democrat Party owned “non-free” press can lie, cheat, steal and attempt to hide the truth from us, but the cat is out of the bag and no one will get it back in for generations - we know our enemy of the American way of life. Anyone who knowingly conspired to participate in this fraudulent election must be tried for treason and the usurper must be dealt with by every legal process of the Constitution and laws of the land.

Freedom is truly not free - we are doing something about it. Thanks for your leadership!!!!!

Respectfully,

Gary Lima
Greenbrier, Tennessee

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com

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"I think it would be a good idea"

Mahatma Gandhi,
when asked what he thought of Western civilization

God is at home, it's we who have gone out for a walk."
Meister Eckhart

Yes, thank you. And that includes Bush/Cheney and their

comrades in crime!

http://articlesoffreedom.us/Coalition.aspx

Its Up To Us - Articles of Freedom - New Website! Thread:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123543#comment-1330135

For Deeper Understanding here is what a delegate wrote:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123897

Obama looks nothing like the man from Kenya

However, he does resemble Frank Marshall Davis.

This is all BS, he's just trying to hide the fact that his real father was a devout communist.

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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."

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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."

- Robert E. Lee, 1866

It would be a little

It would be a little difficult for him now to change horses in mid stream. He's already produced what he proposes to be his birth certificate. This shows his father as Barack Hussein Obama.

Oh the web we weave when first we practice to deceive

Yeah, I heard that too, or Malcolm X even. whatever.

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"I think it would be a good idea"

Mahatma Gandhi,
when asked what he thought of Western civilization

God is at home, it's we who have gone out for a walk."
Meister Eckhart

Law of Nations

US Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 10
"To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;"

This indicates that the framers assumed the Law of Nations applied to interactions between the United States of America and foreign countries and foreign nationals in the absence of a specific treaty. The Law of Nations clearly indicates what Barack Obama's citizenship is. If the United States wants to give additional citizenship in addition of what is provided by the Law of Nations, this is its prerogative, but it does not remove the citizenship which nature itself provides. In fact this dual citizenship is hinted at in the Law of Nations Book 1 §215.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.

It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.

Laws of Nations Book1
http://famguardian.org/Publications/LawOfNations/vattel_01.htm

Also see page 41 of the treatise, "Why you are a national, state-national and Constitutional, but not statutory citizen."
http://sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/WhyANational.pdf

republic

Only 3 days old and already

Only 3 days old and already quoting international law. While referencing the US Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 10.

There's nothing in Article 1 that remotely resembles what you posted.

Quite misleading wouldn't you say?

Section 8. The Congress

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.article...

republic

The following is an

The following is an explanation of what that clause meant at the time and had absolutely nothing to do with US citizenship, Obama's or anyone else.. It also had nothing to do with international law.

http://www.constitution.org/cmt/law_of_nations.htm

The meaning of "Offenses against the Law of Nations"
by Jon Roland, Constitution Society
1998

Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 10 of the Constitution for the United States delegates the power to Congress to "define and punish ... Offenses against the Law of Nations". It is important to understand what is and is not included in the term of art "law of nations", and not confuse it with "international law". They are not the same thing. The phrase "law of nations" is a direct translation of the Latin jus gentium, which means the underlying principles of right and justice among nations, and during the founding era was not considered the same as the "laws", that is, the body of treaties and conventions between nations, the jus inter gentes, which, combined with jus gentium, comprise "international law". The distinction goes back to Roman Law.

Briefly, the Law of Nations at the point of ratification in 1789 included the following general elements, and prosecution of those who might violate them:

(1) No attacks on foreign nations, their citizens, or shipping, without either a declaration of war or letters of marque and reprisal.

(2) Honoring of the flag of truce, peace treaties, and boundary treaties. No entry across national borders without permission of national authorities.

(3) Protection of wrecked ships, their passengers and crew, and their cargo, from depredation by those who might find them.

(4) Prosecution of piracy by whomever might be able to capture the pirates, even if those making the capture or their nations had not been victims.

(5) Care and decent treatment of prisoners of war.

(6) Protection of foreign embassies, ambassadors, and diplomats, and of foreign ships and their passengers, crew, and cargo while in domestic waters or in port.

(7) Honoring of extradition treaties for criminals who committed crimes in a nation with whom one has such a treaty who escape to one's territory or are found on the high seas.

And, although it was not yet firmly established with all nations in 1789,

(8) Prohibition of enslavement of foreign nationals and international trading in slaves.

No subsequent additions to the "law of nations" could have the effect of expanding the delegated powers under the Constitution. Ratification froze those powers at the moment of ratification. Only the amendment procedures provided under the Constitution can add to, subtract from, or modify them.

Some confusion on whether a treaty could confer additional powers on government was introduced by the opinion in Missouri v. Holland, 252 U.S. 416 (1920), which held that a migratory bird treaty with Canada enabled the national government to regulate the protection and harvesting of migratory birds within the United States, even though without the treaty the national government would not have the power to do so. This contradicts the ancient Law of Agency whereunder an agent, in this case federal officials, may not acquire new powers from the exercise of a power, but only by delegation from the principal. However, the opinion may also be read to say that it is only state governments that are required by a treaty to exercise their already delegated powers, and that federal courts have appellate jurisdiction over cases of state compliance with federal treaties.

The case law was further muddied by the opinion in the case of United States v. Belmont, 301 U.S. 324 (1937), which held that executive agreements are entitled to the same constitutional authority as treaties in the relation between the states and the federal government, and that the supremacy clause makes both treaties and executive agreements supreme over state power as to the subjects covered by them. This decision has given rise to alarm by civil libertarians, because there is no congressional approval required for executive agreements, much less the two-thirds vote of the Senate required for treaties, or the ratification by three-fourths of the states required for constitutional amendments. By this reasoning, the president acting in collusion with any foreign government could effectively eliminate states except as voting districts.

Based on these precedents, then Secretary of State John Foster Dulles promulgated what some call the "Dulles Doctrine" that treaties, executive agreements, and votes in the United Nations, could effectively amend the U.S. Constitution and expand the powers of the federal government without limit.

However, this misunderstanding about whether the constitution could be amended through the making of treaties was denied in the case of Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957):

"This court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the constitution over a treaty" [Reid, at p. 17].

"... when a statute which is subsequent in time is inconsistent with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null." [Reid, supra, citing Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 238, at p. 267]

"No agreement with a foreign nation (no exec. orders, no Pres. directives, no "accords" etc.) can confer power on Congress or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the constitution" [Reid, supra].

Despite the decision in Reid v. Covert, however, the dominant faction in the federal government continues to maintain the Dulles Doctrine, arguing that Reid only applied to infringements on rights recognized in the Constitution, and did not prevent expansion of federal powers through treaty, even though one of the fundamental rights recognized in the Tenth Amendment was the right not to have government exercise powers not delegated to it.

I'm not responding but this is different

Would invasion & fraudulant take over of the highest seat in American office by a foreign national, qualify?
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

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