Pro Life: Article by Chuck Baldwin

I just copy and pasted it to all my christian friends, thanks

Being only for ones own total liberty and no one elses is a facist or dictator. Being for everyones total liberty is anarchy. Being for everyones liberty to have what everyone has is socialism or communism.

Being for everyones liberty limited to the extent necessary to preserve the liberty of everyone else is the kind of freedom that Ron Paul is for and that our country was founded on.

He begins to preserve liberty at the logical place - where life begins - at conception.

Murder is a violation of the constitutional right to not be deprived of life without due process of law. If a state allowed random executions, that law would be unconstitutional and void. Applying that logic to the unborn neither creates a federal abortion regulation nor leaves it up the states. It merely and correctly clarifies the constitutions definition of "life". Any law allowing abortion is henceforth unconstitutional.

Ron Paul is divisive on many many issues, those who pretend to want to avoid devisive issues, really just don't agree with Dr. Paul on this issue. That is OK, but know that it is not true liberty that you are defending, but mere selfishness to the extent that it's exercise costs the life of another.

Mike Huckabee is soaring right now becuause of grass roots pro-lifers. I know becuase I see it in my backyard, where the social conservative powers that be run a tight ship and support Huckabee. He is seen as their only hope becuase he wears it on his sleeve. Unfortunately he may be too religous for mainstream voters and he is not a conservative on many other issues.

If the statement made by Chuck Baldwin above were understood by all social conservatives. Ron Paul would be soaring.

Truth: More people will not vote for a pro-choice candidate than who will not vote for a pro-life candidate. In other words Ron Paul could capture pro-lifers without sacrificng many pro-choicers. Telling someone commited to the unborn to vote for a pro-choicer is like telling a jew to vote for hitler or a black to vote jefferson davis; it doesnt matter how great the candidate is on other issues. But pro-choice is mostly a lukewarm issue for all but the diehards.

Remember Ron Paul's message of freedom is his selling point because it is true and honest.

Liberty for all. Emphasis on the period, becasue when you start adding clauses (such as ..for all except the unborn) there is no other principle that can prevent the adding of more clauses.

JHS

love the abortion issue because it can never be solved.

As a Christian desparately desiring to see Dr. Paul as President, I strongly agree with Chuck Baldwin. I have fellow churchgoers fawning over Mike Huckabee, and I've tried to talk to them. I've pointed out the problems with the establishment, and the problem with the Christian right's method of a Federal Marriage Amendment. They just don't get it.

As much as Republicans try to tell African-Americans that the Democrats they've voted for year after year have done nothing for them, the same goes for the Christians and the Republicans they've been voting for.

This election in 2008 is now different. There is a candidate for all people, including Christians - and it's Ron Paul.

I am staunchly pro-life, and I believe Ron Paul is as well. Libertarianism allows for the free exercise of one's will, as long as it does not harm other innocent human beings in the process, which is what abortion does. Whether or not the federal government can outlaw abortion is about authority, but he would certainly want to see each state outlaw it I believe because he is pro-life.

I don't appreciate your arrogant in-your-face post. I would respond in kind, but out of respect for the website, I will keep it civil.
This is a states rights issue, not one for the Federal government to decide.
Let's stick with Ron Paul's message and leave it to the states. This is a fight for later on, in the states, where it belongs, right now we need to spend all our energy getting Dr. Paul in office FIRST!

I'm a Christian. The Right to Life for the Unborn is an important issue to me.

I don't want to get into that specific issue here, as i see it caused some problems down below.

I just want to comment to say that I appreciate this thread, and one thing that deeply attracted me to Dr. Paul was his consistent ethic of human life. He maintains a personal pro-life position and wants to end the war immediately.

I appreciate that about him.

This should give everyone enough excuses for the Huck&Chuck crowd:

http://www.taxhikemike.co...

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams

Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate "who understands the constitutional authority of Congress to end abortion-on-demand" is non-existent. Paul consistently states that abortion is not a federal issue; Roe v Wade should be overturned and the decision returned to the states.

The article blurb, which will be read far more often than the article itself, makes it sound like Paul is the only candidate with the balls to say The Government Says You May No Longer Abort - which, again, is the exact opposite of reality. The article *does* talk about Paul's Sanctity of Life Act and how it would effectively repeal Roe v Wade, but it doesn't really talk about Why.

Plus, once Paul is President he would no longer be part of Congress which is what the mentioned article/section reference so he'd only be able to say "I'll sign this bill if it comes across my desk." Someone else would have to introduce it to Congress.

Slated for interment under a Hilary Presidency

I fully support Dr. Pauls position on abortion. Having spent years communicating in church and online with evangelical Christians one issue is more important to them than abortion.
Israel.
As an example:
http://www.rr-bb.com/show...

I started this thread trying to get some folks to educate themselves on Paul's real stand on certain issues.

They want him to say he will come to Israel's aide should they be attacked.
I don't think Paul can, will, or should promise such, but that is what it would take to sway the "block" of evangelicals.

As a firm believer of the Truth of God's Word I can assure you that we ought not come against Israel, however God himself is the defender of Israel.

Frankly it is driving me nuts how to communicate with those whom I considered my peers.

ps please don't go after that site, they are on the edge already in allowing political discussion at all. Guess why? Yup us irrational Paul supports.
Keep the peace, thanks.

Hold them to their oath:
President
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Vote Mike Huckabee, a former Pastor!

That's about all most Christians know.

They NEED to have a REASON to reject Mike Huckabee and move on to Ron Paul.
They are not hearing it from the pulpit. They're not hearing it from the media.
How are they going to hear it?

Here's another flyer to help throw some water on Huckabee's fire
http://ronpaulaudio.com/f...

In this article, Chuck Baldwin states:

"In other words, Huckabee is the establishment's guy to make sure that the Christian conservatives stay "in line." "

No kidding, it's working in my church!

Throw it back to the states and leave it at that. RP (as he has said) is NOT running for governor of any of the 50 states. I see NO advantage to kicking this tarbaby. As far as I have observed, the great majority of those so concerned with killing the innocent unborn, have no problem with bombing and killing the innocents born in Iraq. This is NOT a federal question, so let's not make a federal case out of it.

My understanding is that Ron Paul has repeatedly said that it IS NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT"S PLACE to have ANY say about abortion legality....it is a STATE question ONLY. I have seen direct video of him saying this SEVERAL times, including during the most recent debate. He has SPECIFICALLY said that he is AGAINST a constitutional ammendment banning abortions. He HAS stated his PERSONAL OPINION against abortions, but has repeatedly said that it is of no bearing on how he would govern as president. His integrity on other matters would almost cetrainly put the abortion question BEHIND constitutional respect in his choosing any future Supreme Court judges.

I personally have had the HARDEST time converting NEW Ron Paul supporters from Libertarian, Independent, and disenfranchised Democrat ranks BECAUSE they struggle with the abortion issue (they are pro-choice). MAKING SURE that we CORRECTLY state Ron Paul's position as a rational, limited federal government stance is the ONLY way to convince them. Using articles like the one here only makes the job HARDER.

I also disagree that we need more RIGHT WING/fanatical Christian voters. How about targeting the 30% +/- of registered voters that are INDEPENDANT, or the 6.7 MILLION unregistered elligible voters. These people are very likely disgruntled moderates (more likely pro-choice).

you lost me here.
A woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Why do we still have to ponder this question. Goodby it was fun being a Paulian for a wile.

but the pro-life thing is a huge turn-off to many who would otherwise be supporting Dr. Paul. Things like this could hurt as much, if not more than they help.

The Constitution doesn't allow the federal government to nationally ban NOR allow abortions. The only authority RP would have would be in the appointment of judges.

That "flyer" has errors.