Property: The only real natural right

Everything belongs to everybody who desides which property belongs to whom? I just want a half acre plot in Key West with a boat dock for myself.

Many animals are very territorial marking boundries and fighting intruders.
They pay for their property with their constant surveillance.

"We have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt"
Joseph Biden VP , USA

I've never been much of a believer in "natural" law. The only natural law in my opinion is the law of the jungle. As far as God-given rights, those are just a simple application of the Biblical principle of equality applied to earthly governance. Still, I've always based my conservatism/libertarianism more on utilitarian principles. That doesn't keep me from invoking patriotism or pathos when the need arises.

to explain that great concept to my local...county....state tax collector.

unless I pay him/her.....it's taken over and I am homeless.

when you and I (and twelve other people) all want (and claim) the same spot? All twelve can't have it- so what determines who gets it and which eleven don't?

great idea. It not only tests determination and natural skill, but establishes the right of property on the basis of effort. Of course some might argue that it is a policy of "civilization" so detrimental to native American populations, but I'd attribute those horrendous actions to be based on greed, the root of all evil.

Assert Your Authority

..especially when many of us capitalists/anarcho-capitalists talk about the importance of property rights....

I agree with you in general. The idea of homesteading makes sense to me.... when you work the earth to grow food and sustain a living you should have priority over that land compared to someone who uses it for other purposes.

I think in Costa Rica there are squatter laws which allow people to take over unused properties and land. If you buy property there, you need to hire a caretaker or else someone can claim it after living on the land for a year I think. These kinds of property laws make sense to me in the spirit of homesteading.

I do think land would be much cheaper if governments did not own them and even within our current system of property rights in a more limited government environment may work out... then again with all these natural resources like water rights in South America being owned by big corporations and mining giants it makes me wonder.. we may end up with a One World Corporatacracy anyways... in any case, I think governments are the great enablers and limiting its powers will automatically limit corporate power. However homestead rights for land, water, air might make sense to pursue.

BTW one of my favorite documentaries is Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil... it shows how Cuba survived after Russia collapsed and Cuba lost 80% of it's oil imports in the early 90s..... I think it was a good modern example of the Jeffersonian agrarian society in a free market .. it is a good documentary to have a meeting of the minds with the Left as well.....

Fails as Anarcho-Communism fails -- right from the start.

In Rothbardian Economics the Individual is Propertied (proper tied to an asset).

In Anarcho-Communism the Individual is the "Worker"

In a true free-society -- in Economic-Individualism the only "individual" is the consumer.

To convert inputs into product the Producer (Property Owner) consumes.

To convert inputs into production the Worker (user of property) consumes.

The bum consumes

The lover consumes

The scholar consumes

Therefore everyone in every position consumes (as a universal primary function).

Consumer-Anarchy over Capitalist-Anarchy or Communist-Anarchy.

If Economic-Individualism is the highest goal -- if it's not then what are we doing?

Octobox

Ownership or property rights must be established by mutual consent.

In ancient times, from the research I've done, tribes often fought over territory.

Animals still fight over territory, the biggest and strongest wins.

Land surveys started many years ago was { in most cases } an acceptable way to determine who owned what, simply to prevent bloody feuds between clans, or tribes.

I strongly feel that the founders gave Americans full allodial :

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/us_consti...

....Title to property, at the expense of the native population.

Governments have stolen this allodial type ownership through taxation.
Please research allodial title to land, by clicking the above link.

My clan in Scotland still occupies the same land acquired over 600 years ago, because the government there recognizes private ownership rights.

for your state? http://www.teamlaw.org/Government/usmap.htm

TTYL.

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