LOOK! SOMETHING SHINEY! What should we be doing now in preparation for Ron Paul 2012?
UPDATE - it seems many here would rather discuss the latest drivel to come out of Glenn Beck or Chris Dodd's prostate instead of furthering the cause of liberty. I humbly ask them to go and turn on your TV and refill your tanks with all the useless Michael-Jackson-nonsense you can fit in your heads with and then come back to discuss real issues.
Like most RP junkies and DP addicts, I can't stop coming here regardless of the myriad of nonsensical topics that dot the list of threads.
The news of people being arrested in Sacramento for backtalking a cop or tazed in Virginia for not turning their radio down make for interesting conversation around the water cooler, but they smack of prime-time, MSM news-substitute. Fark, I think it is called.
I myself, have admit to have fallen victim to posting on these Fark threads... what else is there to do, right?
But I'm sitting here thinking.... what should I be doing to lay the ground work for Dr. Paul's candidacy in 2012? I'm handing out Ron Paul Was Right bumper stickers.... I still talk him up to everyone I meet... but is this all I can be doing?
Should we reassemble the meetup groups and begin papering the neighborhood with Ron Paul in 2012 literature? Should we be doing something creative at the state, county or national level to assure we don't get shoved aside again like in the last election?
Let us begin NOW to put together a plan for the future instead of spinning a bunch of conspiracy theories (yes, I realize there are many rabbit holes to ponder) but if the one goal is to get a decent, constitutional president elected then I don't see how our collective effort is moving in that direction.
Remember, we were the guys with the blimp. We were the guys who raised 6 million bucks in a single day! We were the guys who caused a groundswell that scared the bejeezuz out of the GOP which caused them to pull out all the stops and direct all their forces; media, political and criminal (yes, I said criminal) to sideline and marginalize ALL OF US.
But now that they have tipped their hand, we know what to expect. We can't walk blindly into the next election thinking we are going to win just because we're "in the right". EVERYONE thinks they're "in the right". Ask any Obama supporter.
So, what do we do - starting tomorrow - to get the good doctor on the top of every list; on the tip of everyone's tongue?
This is a powerful tool, this internet. Michael Nystrom is connected to the good doctor from what I understand - not that RP is going to drop all and come running - but that by itself is such a big plus we can't afford not to exploit it!
The attack on the Fed is growing. RP is at the helm of that ship of that there is no doubt. He has railed against them for thirty years. The time may finally be at hand! Let us ride this wave into the white house and wash clean the filth that has been heaped upon the American public for the last 50, 60 or 70 years.
My God... I think we can do it.
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How do we ensure he gets on the ballot in all fifty states?
What positions do we need to hold to ensure RP is a candidate?
Also, mention was made of the Diebold machines. Now is the time to topple that one. If there is someone out there in lawsuit-land who wishes to undertake the case for the cause, THIS is the time for it, not 30 days before the election.
Let's call Diebold on the carpet and prove that their machines are not infallible and forbid their use.
NOW is the time!
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
The good doctor always
The good doctor always reminds us that every one will have his or her own job in this fight. And that all of us will have to make our jobs ourselves.
Run for city council. School board. PTA president. Sheriff. Mayor. Anything in government. Study the issues, preach liberty and capitalism, and make an example for the next great film, America: Fascism to Freedom, a history of the rEVOLution.
Organize within your own precinct. Remember when the RP's campaign was signing up precinct captains? Appoint yourself to the job and go give your neighbors a copy of the constitution. Don't mention anything of RP, the Fed, guns, Obama, etc. Buy a bulk order (plenty available online, just google), and just give them to you neighbors. "Howdy, neighbor. I just thought we're way off on the wrong track, so I thought I'd give y'all a copy of the constitution so you can read it for yourself. It's pretty short. Enjoy!"
Study the issues so you can explain them to others. Ayn Rand once said that if the Conservatives lose to the collectivist democrats/socialists, it will be because they did not know how to preach CAPITALISM.
In 2012, Ron Paul or Gary Johnson will get plenty of attention. We'll make sure they're well known. But they'll only get the votes if people AGREE with what they're saying. Freedom cannot prevail without winning the intellectual struggle. If you don't understand rights, individuality, property, and the productive and humane nature of laissez-faire capitalism, then of course you'll follow the big government socialists.
I always try to make conversation about the high prices we see. "Gosh, beef jerky is so expensive! Remember when it was like $6.00 a pack? It's $12 now!" (true story, by the way : )). "Yea, and gas was $1.25. And milk was $2.00. And Cigarettes were $2.50. etc. And that was just 10 years ago. It's amazing how everything's double in price!" "Weird, isn't it, that it EVERYTHING is doubled?".......... you catch the drift. Planting some seeds about some of this stuff will go a very long way.
If you haven't heard of RP by now, then you're living under a rock. Thus, we should be looking for other ways to approach people with these ideas.. On that note, it's be a very long time since i've seen a "Google Ron Paul" sign or a "Who is Ron Paul?" sign. Maybe we need to plaster the country with those again. September 17th is Constitution day.......
We Should Audit the FED
Then End it!
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Fax/call/email
It puts RP in the spotlight and produces results. 75% of people want it audited - it could be there introduction to RP.
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Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich 2012 Facebook Page
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"Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms" Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul
Not too sure that would be a winning ticket
While I like that fact that you always know where Kucinich is coming from, I don't lways like where he's coming from.
Certainly there must be some other non-leftist he can team up with...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
The 4 Things I've been doing...
1. Promoting Ron Paul's legislation....I'd say we've been pretty effective in that - the local meetup groups I belong to are largely still in place, and still used to communicate/educate each other on what Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement has been up to.....1207/604 has opened alot of peoples eyes as to what we stand for....
2. Of course we need to be going outside of our own circles, the growing states rights movement, local 9/12 meetup groups, gun rights groups that are scared and now more active, the legalize pot crowd, and the anti-war left as it becomes more dissilusioned with Obama, among others are all fertile grounds to find converts to our cause of freedom.....go to some of their meetings, talk to them....let them know about the C4L and the RLC...
3. Help promote liberty candidates - electing new voices that echo Ron Paul's message.... from Gary Clift's congressional run this summer.. http://cliftforcongress.c... Debra Medina's run for Texas Governor and Rand Paul's Senate run...will help in more than one way - of course we have one more vote to limit government, but also the more people hear our message in positions of government, the less it will sound like one crazy guy in the wilderness.....which is often how Ron Paul was portrayed last year.....
4. Get active with your County Republican Executive Committee - we likely won't have a repeat of the delegate mess we had last year, because so many of us have become entrenched in the party - make it even less likely by becoming a precinct committeeman/woman yourself ( I highly recomend this, not only does it give you voting rights on county party business, but you also get a list of all republicans in your precinct, and You are responsible for keeping them informed) Who knows, do this now and you could find yourself a County Officer or Chairman/woman in 2012, or holding a State or National Party position......
Have you joined Ron Paul's Caucus?
The Republican Liberty Caucus
http://www.rlc.org/
Mainstream acceptance...
We should never every bend our principals and values to become mainstream, but we should make our principals and value become the mainstream. We need to get the GOP back to its roots. We need to reform the GOP and not destroy the GOP. THe GOP has been transformed many many times. This is not the same GOP as it was under Lincoln, it changed under Robert Taft, it changed a little under Goldwater, then it changed a litte under Reagan, then it changed more under Gingrich and it changed the absolute most under Bush (for the worse)... Reagan was the halfway point between good and evil. His first term was perfect! His 2nd term was plagued with alot of spending and social conservatism which has little to do with liberty. We need to go back to the Taft/Goldwater/Ron Paul days! That is how we will win this damn election and I will bet all of my life savings that I am 100% correct!
Ron Paul 2012
We need new Slim-Jims. I
We need new Slim-Jims.
I threw away all my old ones when Ron Paul dropped out of the 2008 election.
I am already putting Ron Paul 2012 all over nyc.
Lampposts, subway stations, coffee shops, trains. ect ect
Media was talking of Obama '08 as soon as he became senator
The Media gave him the name recognition even before he enter the presidential race.
WE NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD NOW.
Tell all the meetups
Start pushing NOW
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One of the biggest things you can do is just put his name out there. Name recognition is huge in politics. Things like Ron Paul 2012 bumper stickers are great at this. Designing any kind of media we can spread quickly would be a big help.
Yes You are so right...Name recognition is a big deal for people
to listen...otherwise the media will be able to say that he is fringe again.
Continue being annoying
To your friends, your neighbors, professional colleagues, shopkeepers.
Never let a statist cliche go unanswered.
Offer gold and silver in trade.
Find and support the pro liberty candidates for local or congressional office in your area.
If you have pro liberty or anti authoritarian bumper stickers on your car, please do not drive like a jerk.
Gaia Vindice
Who Will Run For Freedom?
I remember the dear Doctor stating he would not run again. So with that said (and I know someone is going to give me flack for this but Im saying it anyway) we need someone who can draw the people in the way JFk did.
He had the looks and the charm (from what Ive been told and God help us thats why a lot of people said they voted for Bill..although..I just dont see it)
It is sad to say but a lot of the sheeple will go by looks, charm, a guy the ladies love to look at and the men want to be like. (although I think Dr.Paul & Mrs.Paul adorable)
I would love to see every person whos running..helping to carry the message...to get up and say I'm ____ ___ I'm running for Liberty & Freedom...And heres a copy of my long form birth certificate!
Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.
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Hey! It worked! :o)
Many things/More of it/Start Now
•Delegates! important.
•Parse out and Tivo all Media Channels on Obama and Republican puppets for what they said/lied/miss led/ignored/false statements/unread bills/Votes...everything and anything.
•Brainstorm ....where the country will be at in 2012 Economy/War/Finance/Unemployment....Recession/Inflation/Money+Gold standard> all the things Ron Paul was right about and known for. Again.....Video,Video,Video
•Video Testimonials of Democrates that have seen Obama for what he is, the unkept list of promises "fool me once" and have hence become Ron Paul supporters
•Banking Bailout and Economy are haywire.....Make Videos of what Ron Paul predicted longtime ago....especially during the election cycle and how the Media distorted and marginalised him! (also include Benarke telling everything is rosey then and now...include that with how Democrates and the Financial News Media trumpted him above others.)
•Music brings people Together...if you see a band or singer somewhere(even a subway, street, or coffee house) that you think have orginality, have really good vocals & music ....ask them if they would do a song for RP and patriots, tell them there is a great vaccum waiting to be filled ...they will be heard all over....we make Music Videos and push it out all over....
v•Video cameras and vigilance of highstake Primary States on voting day/night.
•Even recommend people moving/relocating their residence to these states ASAP if you are in the neighbouring states.
•Last but not least......
Fire Jesse Benton ASAP....do not wait till 2012....if this has to be deceided.....that SHOULD be done now ...not later!
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Apparently you missed RP's statement about this
A few months ago he was asked (and the video was posted here) if he was going to run for president in 2012. He said he had no plans to run, as a republican or any other party. He also added - and this is most telling - that nobody knew what kind of world we would have in 2011 - when candidates start announcing and raising money - let alone 2012. This is very important.
As is fairly obvious, the world is falling apart, and no country is more endangered than the U.S.A. Unemployment will continue to rise, particularly as more factories and companies close their doors. FEMA and the U.S. Military are preparing drills for later this summer. The dollar is on the ropes. Israel might strike Iran (well, they've been saying this for a while). Anyhow we're in a period of volatility that does not seem to be abating, despite the bull stock market (which I think is temporary; wait until the commercial real estate bubble pops!)
The truth is, although Dr. Paul is in good health, we saw his wife have a heart attack on the campaign trail last year. It was a harrowing moment for all of us, but Carol pulled through and is fine. I don't see Dr. Paul, who will be 76 (or close to that) in 2012 running another grueling campaign and withstanding all the crap he took from the moderators, the press, and the other candidates. And, even if he ran, his chances are not good. It should be obvious by now.
We live in a CFR world, where the Rockefellers and the old-boys' network picks the winners. It has nothing to do with the truth, people, goodness, appropriateness or anything else. It's a rigged game. So, for Dr. Paul to run in this tainted environment would be foolhardy. He's better off offering commentary on TV, making speeches and inspiring future generations.
Nice zenpiper...sounds like you quit already.
I didn't 'miss' anything. If you asked anyone a month or so after an election, of course they have no definite plans to do it again in four years.
With attitude and initiative like yours maybe we should all just dig shallow holes and bury ourselves!
Thanks for playing, though!
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Not Quite
I am realistic.
We don't know what will happen in the next two years.
Carol's health was a concern and Ron Paul will be fairly elderly.
Seems to me the smart thing to do is to ask Ron Paul a) if he really intends to run (probably not, but he might change his mind). And, if not, then, b) Ask him who he would support in a presidential run?
This is not quitting, friend. There are many new candidates that are getting onboard, many of whom reflect Ron Paul's sensibilityes. Look at the list on the right side of your screen. Many are running for congress, but they could just as easily run for the presidency. Same with Peter Schiff (whom I would not necessarily support.
There are always options - the challenge is to find the best one and then support it vigorously.
Cheers.
Unfortunately, they are all unknowns...
Paul, strangely enough, has the public's ear. Try as they may to stifle him, I've seen him more now than before the election.
Ron Paul is the ticket. Anything else will be starting over again.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
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House health plan ensuring illegal alien coverage
the Hispanic Caucaus may be calling the shots and manipulating Pelosi
from Roy Beck President Numbers USA
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Fountainhead
Wag The Dog, is a movie I wanted to see but haven't been able to find it. just thought you might know where I could find it.
Here's a Torrent for Wag the Dog
http://www.mininova.org/t...
The best things in life are free.
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it is hard to find in the video stores to rent but just go to Amazon and you can order the dvd for probably $20
Fountainhead
who were the star's in it? to help me in my search on amazon.
1997 wag the dog movie?
if thats what you're talking about, it starred dustin hoffman and robert de niro.
it was about the re-election of the president, and to stop real damaging issues from being front page news, they staged a "fake war"---and the media circus begins. its soooo funny.. there were songs for the occassion[like the "iraqi freedom" or global warming rallying call-i remember the -lets turn off our switches for one day for mother earth--how i laughed with each emotional posts and mania around the planet] retouched photos, a random hero, and hollywood footages, and of course, lots of egos and ego manipulation.
it is very funny but tragic---like the 20sec "video footage halfway to the moon" thing---or the supposed "spanish soldiers massacre of cubans" footage which was actually recorded in a studio wih actors[google it]hence, the public outcry for the justification of the spanish american war--and the invasion of my country the philippines in the 1900s.
like i said, funny, but ultimately tragic.
I think Gregory Peck
I know he was in one of Ayn Rand's movies, and I think it's The Fountainhead.
Or was it The Showerhead?
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actually The Showerhead is something you haven't used in a very long time zen baby because I can smell you through the computer monitor
Act "as if" -- Premonitory Manifestation
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Octobox
Campaign For Liberty At State / County Fairs - Nationwide?
Regarding this awesome post "This is how you get it done"
http://www.ronpaulforums....
A method to share the tents / displays / floats among the different shows needs to be looked at.
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Regarding Palin: I believe we are watching in real time the rise of the third party, which will be controlled by the powers that be from its' inception.
now
we need to start the money bombs NOW.
Getting rid of the Diebold machines
if we don't do that first! the rest wont matter.
WTP Federal Lawsuit to Ban All Electronic Voting Heads for Trial
WTP Federal Lawsuit to Ban All Electronic Voting Heads for Trial
http://wethepeoplefoundat...
Election Activists: We Need Expert Witnesses, Research & Legal Assistance
http://digg.com/d1qxxW?OT...
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Regarding Palin: I believe we are watching in real time the rise of the third party, which will be controlled by the powers that be from its' inception.
Thanks IPSecure
for the links, from what I read there Federal court date is Sept 20th 2010 at 9:30 am Albany New York by (Jury Trial). How many DPer's Live in New York??? :o)
Let us ride this wave into the white house
My god why did you say this...... your post makes me feel like the RP revolution is nothing but a wave.
The Wave
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
That's what this post brought for you?
That's all you took away from this? Then why are you here?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Start Building the War Chest
If we/he are/is serious about it...there's plenty of time to start building a crazy-go-nuts War Chest! (should be in gold though to protect the value) That way we can float all the GD Ron Paul blimps in '11/12 and not have to worry about it. To me that seems like the best prep at this stage.
--SOB--
I really, really like the idea of a war chest of GOLD!
Think of what it says about faith in the current currency and the current economic situation!
People would be talking about that for months!
Good one!
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
We should be developing ties
with the democrats our meetup has one representative that meets with democrats .Democrats could be very ihelpful in the primaries especially since they wont be voting in the primaries this has also been proven very valuble in Ron Pauls own district the 14th.
I'm actually surprised that some are showing reluctance
to this endeavor.
Some are saying they need a guarantee or commitment from Dr. Paul before signing on. I say nonsense.
RP should be able to step into a ready-made-already-in-progress campaign. I don't see this sort of wavering as a good thing.
Perhaps some are not as committed as they once were... understandable. The outright lie that was the 2008 election took a lot out of everyone. It may have turned a lot of people away. That is exactly my point. We need to start the groundwork NOW to get into areas that may have been beyond out reach in '08.
The campaign that was run in '08 was at best, half-hearted. Not on our side, but on the political side. I believe that RP knew in his heart that there was no chance at all that he would even get as far as he did. Either that or those running his campaign had no clue as to how to harness the power they had at their disposal.
We can't let that happen again.
This time, the planets are aligning for us. The anti-Fed, anti-corruption, anti-everything movement is picking up speed and RP is the only guy who fits the bill. The rest of the posers and "smilin' Bob's" who throw their hats in the ring will speak in sound bites and talk about the weather.
I'm stupid enough to say people are just a little bit smarter - or at least more leery of candidates with no background. Or backbone.
How could we consider doing anything else?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Ron Paul got about 2.2 "Million" votes in the primaries,,,
,,,,And many states were closed states which means only registered Republicans could vote.
This was when his popularity was only among those that took the time to research his views, many head in the sand voters, had still never heard of him or refused to switch parties to vote in the primaries for him.
Now, with the recent economic attention he's been getting and the collapse of the neo-con wing { Bush's loyal anti-constitutionalists } I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he probably has 20 million would be voters and it's still only 2009.
If H.R. 1207 passes he'll get more supporters because he's exposing the Fed for what it is doing,,,,printing fake, unconstitutional money which is destroying Americas prosperity.
I predict if H.R. 1207 passes, Ron Paul will be hailed as a true American political hero, which is what he is already in my opinion.
Who else would stand up to the people who have un-Constitutionally taken control of all the money in the world, over the last 96 years?
Only, RON PAUL !
I think we need some kind of commitment from Grandfather
Paul that he will be a candidate again before we take action. I have asked a similar question, but mine didn't get put upon the front page. I would like some kind of commitment from him, believe it or not, that the same things that happened don't happen again. I feel like the Republican Party is our biggest enemy since they prevented us from getting our delegates into the state & national convention & whatever they didn't do apparently the Secret Service took care of at the convention. RP had a fighting chance going into the convention & we weren't even allowed to call a point-of-order from the floor. We need to know our donations to the campaign will not be squandered, some people are still recovering from grassroots donations they made & will be for some time, they thought they had the chance to get someone they really wanted into office & were severely let down. Election Fraud and the absence of hand-counted paper ballots is another big problem, I would say the most important problem. If you have election fraud going on, you never know who the real winner was & you get pessimistic about voting for the losing guy b/c you think he doesn't stand a chance, when in fact, he may not be losing at all. I don't believe people should be allowed to date 1 another if they are employees of a political campaign & I don't think nepotism should be going on, either, but I'll admit being employed at a campaign is a unique situation. I don't want to see the same employees work at his campaign again, without naming names & I'll leave it at that. I got the impression too many employees of the campaign thought it was experiment & didn't take it seriously b/c RP himself didn't want it badly, it wasn't 1 to me. I think everyone owes Evan Cutler a greeting card for making such an effort at the national convention to have him have a fighting chance. Another huge problem we face, of course, is that so few voters are educated, they look at signs & that's it, its name recognition. Maybe 1% are educated, and i have to be careful what I put on this website cause anybody can look at it & I save my advice for those I want to see succeed.
Potential candidates should
never look to eager to enter the presidential race they should look like they have to be begged into the race.Even huck- a- schmuck hasnt made it official even though he has already campaigning in Iowa.
I thought the world was going to end then?
JK.. maybe..
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
W.Churchill
2012?
I don't think I can ever vote again. 2008 was such a scam.
You mean
With God, I think we can do it.
It's a nice thought.
but if I were you, I would be preparing for this fall, not 2012.
The WHO has said that there is going to be a level 6 pandemic (the highest possible) equal to a red level terrorist threat in the US, and the military is preparing to possibly forcefully vaccinate the population.
2012 is a LOOOOONG ways off, with what seems to be brewing in the near future, not to mention RP has given no indication that he intends to run.
★★★★★★
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http://freedocumentaries....
Retake Congress.com
Lets get them in then look at 2012.
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