1st time father-to-be asking for vaccine advice!! *UPDATE*

also google vaccine nation then click on link for editors cut.
Watch it it gives the whole history of vaccines how it all got started.
If you want more you can go to www.garynull.com
My 3 daughters have never been vaccinated for anything ever.
Vaccines still have mercury in them plus a bunch of other materials that are dangerous.

They have the ingredients listed on www.drtenpenny.com web site
Most states have either religious or philosophical exemption and all you do is hand the form to the school nurse.
Don't do what we did originally contacting the school principals office and raising a ruckus. Just fill out the exemption form and hand it to the nurse.
No noice

... probably in a way most would never thought of. Survival of the fittest. The weak [animals] in nature die off early, leaving the strong to pass on their genes.

My son-in-law has a congenital heart problem, and others on his mothers side (two have died). The son-in-law if not for a heart valve replacement as a teenager would of never passed on those genes. Needless to say, I was quite concerned about future grandchildren, but doctor friends have told me that it is the mother's gene's that are dominant, not fathers. So far, so good, three healthy grandchildren, 10, 12, and 14.

In my wife's case she comes from a Japanese island that boast the oldest "recorded" man that lived in the world. Everybody there lives to ninety before they start to expire. My wife is one of three out of ten that didn't die early in childhood. I imagine the whole island presently has a good gene pool because the weaker died off early and never reproduced. Now top medical care is readily available but I suspect longevity will be price to be paid for it.

Maybe midwifes and no vaccinations is truly the way to go, like my wifes island ? The 1918 Spanish influenza pandemic, stopped when there was no more susceptible (weaker) to kill. Survival of the fittest.

Vaccine Exemption Forms Online - by State or Country
http://www.unhinderedliving.com/statevaccexemp.html

*read the FULLl article and pass this information to all you know!

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/102004

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/0...

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"I truly wish that real life would no longer surpass the worst excesses of my nightmarish imaginings... Arthur Silber **

there's no rush to get any vaccinations. We've waited until our daughter was 3 before we decided to have any of them done. Moreover, we insisted on the vaccines not preserved with mercury (they are more expensive) to reduce the chances of complications. Autism in girls is rare and it's likely the mercury in the vaccines that is the cause of the the increased rate of autism in recent generations.

BTW, the only reason we decided to have these done was to be prepared if we felt it necessary to leave the country and wanted to be prepared.

I would recommend doing a bunch of good research and make the decision carefully. There are pros and cons to everything. At a minimum, do not rush into this as your child's immune system should be given time to mature. This should give you the time to make an informed decision on the matter.

Our daughter was born at home and my wife attended by a mid-wife and her two students.

Ta,

How and why to inoculate chattel property/human resources/institutional units/collateral on the international debt/slaves:

http://www.rense.com/general86/whk.htm

will handle that tommorrow! Also, our Vaccine Nation series is a must read on vax. Kevins interview/blog is at the top of the list.

http://wholefoodusa.wordpress.com/category/vaccine-nation-ma...

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If your kid isn't being born in the hospital and you don't send them to public school anytime soon, you don't have worry about filling out ANY paperwork regarding exemptions, etc.

The midwife isn't going to give you a hard time, BELIEVE me.

I would have to also STRONGLY suggest refraining from getting a SS# because that is the main way these thugs will track your child in the future until they try to CHIP us all.

Regarding the birth certificate, that document ONLY benefits the state and essentially gives ownership of your child to them. I made the mistake of getting my kids birth certificates, but I DID not get them SS#s.

And regarding the SS#, take a look at this excerpt from an article by Barbara Loe Fisher:

How The Plan To Force Vaccination Gave Birth To The National ID, A Government Health Records Database, and the End of Medical Privacy

by BY BARBARA LOE FISHER of the National vaccine Information Center

Excerpt:

The National (and International) Vaccine Plan Takes Shape

In 1994, the Department of Health and Human Services published The National Vaccine Plan, which is a strategic plan for vaccinating every American child with all existing and future government-recommended vaccines and for positioning the US mass vaccination program within the context of a global mass vaccination program. The Plan emphasizes that the US is a co-sponsor of the Children's Vaccine Initiative (CVI) launched at the World Summit for Children in 1990 in New York City to vaccinate all the world's children with existing and future vaccines developed by drug companies. In addition to the vaccine manufacturers, funding for CVI is provided by the United Nation's Children's Fund (UNICEF), the United Nation's Development Program (UNDP), the Rockefeller Foundation, the World Bank and the World Health Organization (WHO).

Shalala Appropriates Social Security Numbers

On March 9, 1995, Shalala published a notice in the Federal Register of the intent to establish a new routine use of the Social Security number. This permits the Social Security Administration to disclose the Social Security number of a newborn to state health department officials for public health programs including, but not limited to, establishing public immunization registries with the goal of operating a national network of coordinated statewide immunization registries. The new routine use of the Social Security number permits HHS to disclose information about individuals without their consent if it is for the purpose of administering a government public health program or for conducting medical research.

And here's the thread about SS#s right here:

Warning....do NOT get your newborns Social Security Numbers

By the way, PLEASE don't tell me you both are even SLIGHTLY considering vaccinating your child at ANY point in his/her life.

We can provide tons of info (as many already have) to convince you otherwise.

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www.vaclib.org

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Then they become less important.

If your wife is naturally iron deficient then she should take them.

Otherwise, as long as you eat healthy they are very optional.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

DONT DO IT!

WHILE pregnant eat REAL food, and vitamins arent needed, they are a supplement for people who dont want to eat right. LOTS of veggies, LOTS of grass fed meat, and LOTS of fish...ONLY WILD sockeye salmon, drink lots of water, NOT TAP WATER!

Eat healthy, fruits vegetables, grass fed meat, avoid microwaves and artificial sweeteners and you will all be healthy!

if you get exempted for religions or philosophical reasons, then you can breath easy knowing that all schools, private or public, must comply with state laws and honor legal exemptions.

Get a copy of your state's vaccination laws is state health officials. A phone call to the state Department of Epidemiology or Immunization (the specific name varies from state to state) may be all that it takes to get a copy mailed to you. Or, for a small fee, the NVIC and New Atlantean Press will sell you a copy of your state’s immunization laws (see contact information at the end of this article). Statutes can be searched on the internet (for example, see www.findlaw.com), but these sources many not always reflect very recent changes in the law, if there have been any. Law libraries and lawyers are, of course, a good source as well...

source: http://www.whale.to/v/phillips.html

NO HELL, NO Show me the studies that they are safe and work. Show me the lables that say they don't have adjuvants in them. Show me the info on the slush funds created to pay for the damaged children. See info on autisim by Donna Gates at BodyEcology.com Vitamin D will work as well as a vaccine against the flu. That is a scientific fact the govt, the fda and the pharm. companies hope people will never find out. Thinktwice.com See the links Google video Dr. Shari Tenpenny. Read "Vaccine A"

watch vaccinations, the hidden truth:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696666502913965744

"My kid is 18 and has never had vaccinations and never been sick" are relying on the "kindness of strangers". That kid is enjoying what's called "herd immunity". If your child lives in a neighborhood where 99% of children are immunized against polio, there is an extremely high likelihood that your child will never contract this disease.

A recent outbreak of measles in Australia is a good example of what happens when people are no longer protected by group immunity.

I'll get flamed for this, of course, particularly by a certain female bully.

diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis.

Check with a trusted chiropractic doctor. One of the best things you can do for your new baby is get him or her adjusted soon after birth, to ensure proper bone alignment and health. These doctors can also give the well care checkups needed and they do not push the vaccines. Personally I think the side effects/risks associated with the vaccines( some die within hours of being given a vaccine) outweigh any benefits they may give.

my friend was born at home with the assistance of a midwife. she never got vaccinated, nor was even asked to. since she was removed from the hospital protocol environment, all they did was get a birth certificate through the hospital. perfectly healthy.

You do not need vaccinations.

The idea to introduce pathogens in the body to prepare the body for future pathogenic invasion is absurd.

If some comes around you with a healthy cold -- "THEN" the body gets its dose and your immune system learns.

Octobox

You've obviously given this lots of thought. I recommend that you give it some more. My wife works in healthcare in Washington and cases of nearly long-forgotten diseases such as measles and polio are becoming more prevalent. It comes largely from an immigrant population and results in the crippling and often death of small children. Based on my research, (I know I'm just one person here) the benefits of vaccinating greatly outweigh the risks.

When my daughter was born 13 months ago, we decided to consult with our pediatrician about immunizations. We told him from the get go that he would have to choose the two or three most critical (in his opinion) vaccines and we would consider them, one vaccine at at time, one shot at a time. We made it clear that she wasn't getting them all. Understanding our position regarding the risks of immunizations, he respected our wishes and advocated for the Meningitis vaccine. Meningitis is such a stealthy killer. By the time you realize there is a problem, your child is already dead. So we went ahead with that one. My little girl had some problems with ear infections, so she is way behind any schedule the authorities might have for her, but our Dr. is right with us and we will soon consider another round.

Please look into the following info.

http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/tennessee.htm

It would appear that while vaccines are mandatory, they are only mandatory for those who have not claimed a religious or consciencious objection to them. In all my research, I find that due to the invasive nature of the injections, and the inherent risks undeniably associated with them, (if there weren't any risks, there wouldn't be a federal vaccine court) the state depends on its citizens to voluntarily submit to vaccination, otherwise, should damage occur, the state is liable for damages.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

is called The Sanctity of Human Blood.

Also, get a Religious Exemption form from the Health Department. Fill it out it and have it notarized. If you put your child into Day Care or Institutional School, they will tell you that child must be immunized, no exceptions. They are lying to you. Show them your exemption form and you'll have no trouble after that.

My second child has autism because of vaccinations. Don't let this happen to your child. The symptoms of autism are the exact symptoms of mercury poisioning.

If anyone tells you that they don't put mercury in vaccinations anymore do not believe them. Some vaccinations have it and some don't. But even the ones that don't may still have mercury in the older doses that are still being used because they haven't expired yet. Also, there's lots of bad stuff in vaccinations besides mercury.

I've heard there are homeopathic vaccinations although I've never tried them. I'm able to treat most disease conditions with collodial silver.

deliver your child in a hospital.

My wife and our youngest (18 months) would not be alive today if our child was not delivered in the hospital.

There are so many things that can go wrong that require immediate care only a hospital can give.

I don't think there were any vaccinations given the day of birth. You will be asked to go back to your pediatrician 5 days after birth to have some administered. Only do one at a time, even if it means you have to come back for shots only every few weeks. That way you can monitor what is going on and you can pin point any problems.

If your child is a premie, then I would not have any administered until they are over 5 lbs.

We did this with all three of our children. No problems occurred except our middle child received an infection because one shot chipped a bone.

With our youngest, we were just recently required to sign a refusal to vaccinate waiver, which we happily did.

Do as you wish, but that is how we tackled the issue.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

God bless your family.

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
-- Patrick Henry

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Get a good midwife ASAP. Ask around for a Bradley coach while you're at it. Buy a good hand food mill and a breast pump. Tell your present doctor you are switching doctors. Just live quietly for a few years until this madness passes. No birth certificate, no social security number....Your relatives, friends, co-workers don't need to know all the details. Some mid-wives are starting to fly under the radar by just coaching you and charging you for this service. It is what they really do anyway. Learn all you can and become empowered. As my Bradly coach repeated, "Your body is designed to have babies; women have been doing it for a very long time. Trust your body! Listen...."

If you haven't chosen a midwife, you can go to
http://www.thefarm.org/
and get some good information. They are in Summertown TN but can probably recommend someone in your area.

Good knowledgeable folks with many years of experience.

Ina May Gaskin has written extensively on midwifery.
http://www.inamay.com/

...to all who have replied. Since I started this thread late on Sunday, I'll bump myself once more for the afternoon crowd to chime in if they want. Thanks all!

- J