Ron Paul on Larry King August 18, 2009

Why can't anyone on mainstream TV except Dr Paul, Peter Schiff, etc. understand what inflation is?? It drives me nuts to hear them get it wrong over and over and over again.

The cost of medical care, or cars, or whatever, CANNOT rise faster than inflation. It is not possible. Inflation is the expansion of the money supply. The EFFECT of inflation is rising prices. It makes no sense to say the effect is rising faster than the cause.

They do not mean to say that the price of medical care is rising faster than the price of something else such as food or consumer electronics. They simply do not understand what inflation is. The effect of inflation is not distributed uniformly. That's a well known fact which none of these mainstream talking puppets seem to understand.

He is so persuasive on economics and foreign policy buts lacks focus and practice on the Healthcare argument. We all know where he is coming from but he is having trouble expressing it.

Here's one for him;

If Peter claims he has the right to Healthcare doesn't Paul have the right to keep his wages and not pay for Peter's Healthcare?

I think Ron is making a mistake in pitting himself against something like an Obama plan. He understands that we have nothing like a free market system. He understands that our third payer system and crony capitalist system has created a disaster that makes coverage unaffordable for millions of Americans. This interview sort of makes him seem like he's defending the status quo against Obama. In fact all we'd be doing is trading one disaster for another. It's not like we're losing something that is so great if Obama got his way.

Medicare is bad. But they operate with 4% overhead. The rest goes for care. When Paul rips on Medicare he makes it seem like he's defending the so called "private" part of our medical market, which isn't private at all. It's crony capitalistic. And it's worse than Medicare. They take between 20 and 30% of the payment as overhead and the rest goes for coverage. And what the hell are they bringing to the table? What value do they offer? It's as if when you bought food you had a different person write the check and you then wrote them a check for what they paid + 30%. It's a ridiculous system.

Of course Obama got into office by working for these insurance companies, so I don't expect anything to change. He'll talk about it, but abandon it, and we'll retain our ridiculous over priced system just like Paul says. These people make millions of dollars doing nothing and they like it that way, which is why they buy off politicians and prevent themselves from having to compete in a market where they'd really be required to bring value. But Paul should never put himself in a position where he appears to be defending the so called free market part of our healthcare system.

.. Well, I was watching Bill Maher with utter frustration because he never has a conservative that can actually defend against his panel of left winger, bleeding heart pinkos and they were showing the line of people (this exact same place and exact same flight doctor on Larry King) waiting for medical care in Inglewood California and then he showed ONLY the crazier of the anti socialized medicine protestors who had medical insurance and displayed us like we are rich heartless ass holes. Well, the funny thing about the majority of the people in line for the free care was that they were like 90% (give or take) ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!!! I WANTED TO PULL MY FREAKING HAIR OUT!!! Nobody asked them to come here and I DAMN sure aint going to have my tax payer dollars, pay for their medical, dental, educational and YES, their yearly prison fees! more than 30% of the population of our prisons are filled with Illegal immigrants and in certain parts of California, over 2/3rds of children of illegal immigrants will become violent gang members and will end up in prison or end up dead or selling alot of drugs. I dont care if what I am saying is politically incorrect because political correctness is what is killing this country. It really pissed me off and they never mention that part in any of these shows about those "free clinics", yet if there was a vote done today, less than 17% of the population would vote yes to having tax paid medical care for illegal immigrants and yet more than 48-52% of congress would vote yes!!! Isnt there something wrong with this picture (referring to how out of touch the government is)? Thanks

Ron Paul 2012

not a right.This is the premises of Dr. Paul departure on this debate.
How to more efficiently & cheaply deliver quality health services to the people in need of them. That is the issue.
Dr.Paul carefully pointed out that corporate raiders along with government have monopolized this market for the past 40 years.Add to this the Obamacare initiative now and the fascist model will be complete.
It is all about control of the masses.Not the least about health care for ordinary Americans.
The trouble is -how do you dismantle a system where powerful corporate lobbyists control the laws and regulations passed in Congress?
Get rid of career politicians! Re-take Congress!

“A Government Big Enough to Give You Everything You Want is Powerful Enough to Take Everything You Have — Thomas Jefferson”

I like Larry King. He lets his guests really speak. The other two guys next to Dr. Paul are ignorant but Larry is fair and gives them all equal time. Good interview.

I also suspect that CNN is now behind Fox news and MSNBC in ratings. They need more conservative guests like Dr. Paul. This is also a sad comment on our society that people rather hear confirmation of their beliefs rather than objective news, that includes present company. The neo-con conservatives run to fox to confirm their world view and the liberals run to msnbc. This leaves cnn in a distant third place.

He says if you leave it to the goodness of man, people will not help people get healthcare... implication is that the government will.

But who makes up government? man...

If you don't trust in the goodness of man then why would you give man the power of government?

Ron Paul's Convention Speech

An employee of Obama and some right wing doc is not gonna over-do Ron Paul!

Ron is bouncing in his seat :-} My man is pumped. Two on one? YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS..

"I don't want to be in a battle . . . but
waiting on the edge of one I can't escape
is even worse"

When the charity doctor mentioned that state laws prevent doctors from crossing state lines...this would have been a good opportunity for RP to bring up medical licensing which allows the government and doctors to monopolize healthcare and deny free entry. Licensing restricts the amount of doctors available in an attempt to limit supply and push up doctors wages. Freedom would allow people to go to certified doctors if they so choose but uncertified doctors would also be allowed to practice medicine and compete.

blog.mlive.com/its-just-sports/2009/08/todays_tweets_donte_stallworth.html

twitter.com/D_Stallworth18/status/3395840435

xD

Even people have a price on their heads or whatever part including their souls. The question remains can the government do a better job fixing anything given the trend of indifference to the Constitution and the people they represent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdQKetTLXm8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2...

is for free public healthcare but when CNN demonstrates the free market and good people working to provide free health care to these American's, it's somehow undesired.

The doctor on the left support free healthcare but not free healthcare?

Was anyone else confused by this doctors comments?

Does anybody have a video showing Obama's promises (pre-election) and all the actions which proved he lied?

He talks about what the insurance companies are doing wrong, but he doesn't notice that it's government interference that shelters them from competition.

-jcr

...That underlying this whole issue is an attempt by the government to gain more control over the individual--and health care being a very private issue, the government knows how much control it could get going this route.

Also, as Dr. Paul stated, anything the government does the private sector could do better, if only allowed to do so.

BUT THE MAIN POINT MADE BY RON PAUL IS THAT THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW IS BROKEN --- BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE --- SO ADDING MORE FUEL TO THIS FIRE WILL ONLY MAKE IT WORSE.

Well done Dr. Paul!

Typical: Larry puts up 2 guests on HIS side of the issue, and 1 on the side of the issue that Larry is against, gives 'an equal 66%' of the time to his side of the issue, and interrupts repeatedly the 33% of the time devoted to the side Larry is against.

going on TV with the good Dr. He makes both these guys look like Beck & Mr. Ed. When he states that medicaid is "broke" the knucklehead to the left interprets broke as "broken" but "not out of cash". The system is broken help! government! help! Come fix it! FEMA where are you?? Government is the problem not the solution.

9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2012

Wow, what unbelievable SPIN!
Volunteer Doctors and nurses charitably helping the less fortunate is BAD,
But Government taking control by steeling from people is GOOD!
Dear Lord God help us!

larry king... stop interrupting Dr. Paul when he's making a point!!!!

Brilliant of Dr. Paul to bring up government monitoring of medical transactions. This should plant more suspicion in people’s minds. Gupta’s befuddlement added to the effect.
Song says everybody agrees that the current system is broken. Now if we could just get more of these agreeable people to understand that it was government that broke it with decades of interference in the market.
Isn’t it hilarious that statists are so out of touch with the way the real world works that they are surprised when crowds turn out for free medical treatment by Stan Brock’s RAM? Gee, you give something away and people show up to take it. Go figure.
To his credit, Brock points out how physician licensing by the state is a barrier to better care. I wouldn’t count on the do-gooders understanding that either, however.

since when do the things that liars say mean anything in a fact-based debate?

Someone should be saying that we are all sick and in need of medical care BECAUSE the very government who wants to provide it is also the entity that is deliberately poisoning us. Fluoridation of water, chemtrails, GMO frankenfood, aspartame, poison pharmaceuticals ... after they let that stuff work their "magic" on us, then they want to help us???? I think not!

This interview just goes to show ... otherwise well meaning, intelligent and skilled people are just dumb bunnies when it comes to the big picture.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We have to get off the debate of the pros and cons of government health care and start letting people know why they are so sick and fat in the first place!

regulations. Once again moxnews brings in two different msm bamamite cronies to go against Congressman Paul. Propaganda at its finest. The truth and goodness given to us by our creator IS the only thing holding this country together. Doctor Ron Paul has some of that goodness.
Both outsiders against Ron Paul in this video have been drinking the same koolaid given by those corrupting this nation.
Bottom line. It's not the governments responsibility to take care of my health. It is the responsibility of the government to protect my right to choose if I want free health care or purchased health care or any health care anywhere. Regulations are preventing many many free health clinics from operating primarily due to cost.

Thank goodness!
I apologize for the length of this. But if it gives just one person more ammo in a debate with a state-worshipping fool, then maybe I’ve accomplished something worthwhile today.
October2007 and rephil513 touched on this earlier in their posts. Right at the end, Gupta scores an apparent “gotcha” when he says free-market health care would depend on people doing good. I’m afraid Dr. Paul inadvertently set him up for this by mentioning charity and the Shriners several times. I did not hear Ron’s excellent "So let's trust the goodness of government?" response, and I doubt many other viewers did either.
I’ll bet an overwhelming majority of people would agree with Gupta that you just can’t trust free-market capitalism to provide something as important as health care because care for all but the richest under such a system would depend on the goodness of people. We need socialism, or at least a balancing dose of it, to make sure the less-fortunate are taken care of, since socialism does a better job of guiding us toward helping others.
This is hogwash. The exact opposite is true.
Like rephil513, I come at this from a Christian perspective, but I think non-Christian freedom-lovers can easily understand it too. The reason free-market capitalism is such a great blessing to our world is that it works in spite of our sinful, selfish nature. In fact, sometimes I think it would be correct to say it works precisely because of it.
Here’s why: In a free market, there is absolutely no way I can get ahead (assuming I don’t resort to unlawful taking of property by force or fraud) without doing something to benefit my fellow man. Even if I’m the greediest, surliest SOB to ever walk the earth, I can’t make a profit unless I sell a product or service that other people want badly enough to purchase with their own money. By being free to work for my own good first, I also work for the good of others. I simply can’t avoid it. Praise God!
A socialist system does depend on the goodness of people. That’s why it will never work. There are two reasons for this. First, as Milton Friedman pointed out so wonderfully in his 1980 smackdown of Phil Donahue, government draws from the same talent pool that private enterprise does: sinners. The difference is that sinners in a free market can’t make me do business with them. The sinners in government, on the other hand, get to use force. (BTW, Song invokes Friedman’s name dishonestly by implying that the current “third-payer system,” which Friedman criticized, is the product of a free market.)
The second reason is that in a redistributionist system, productive people eventually figure out that they are suckers to work their butts off when they don’t get any more benefit than the non-productive. The real Thanksgiving story is a great example of this.
So there you have it. Free-market capitalism is perfectly suited to our selfish, sinful – “greedy” if you like – nature. Collectivism, on the other hand, can only work in a world where at least a large portion of people – politicians in particular – will always put the wellbeing of other people first. Good luck with that. As Friedman asked Donahue, “Where in the world do you find these angels?”
The more vital the product or service, the more important it is to reject collectivism and let the market provide it. “No one is good at controlling [health care] costs,” Gupta said. He believes that because we haven’t had free-market health care in his lifetime. He’s never seen it.

Marilyn in Lake Jackson
To send a "Thank You" to Larry King Live for having Congressman Ron Paul on the show last night, here is the address: (CNN hosts have stated that they get lots of email when Dr. Paul is on, so let's keep it up.)

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.comment.html?75

that if we would just stop spending on wars and reduce or eliminate taxes the great people of the U.S. would donate money and time to church hospitals and free clinics. Give doctors the ability to write off expenses for donating time to free clinics, most would do it - even if there was not deduction. The govt has a strangle hold on our incomes, and they take more and more until we have only enuf money for essentials and little if any left to donate.

PT1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-d8gs0PcdA

PT2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_A4b1LSkh8

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/08/19/lkl...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?iref=videoglobal

Does anyone have a video of this?

Was kinda pissed because before the panel came on Larry introduced "Dr. Ron Paul" and "Dr. Paul Song", which I heard as "Dr. Paul's Son" so I got all excited thinking they would have Rand on too!

or it didnt happen