The New Hamilton
Posted July 31st, 2007 by M. Raborn
This is an excellent (though long) article at the Texas Insider. The author summarizes the idea that we need "a new Hamilton" who understands that in calculating "the price of liberty," not only do deficits matter, but Americans must have a plan to repay debts...Could this "new Hamilton" be none other than our own Dr. Paul?
Check it out and see what you think.
M. Raborn
Who was Albert Gallatin
there is a statue of him in front of the treasury in DC...I find little and conflicting info...you guys may have some recommended reading for me
No new Hamilton please.
Ron Paul is 'the Jefferson of our day' (see www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...)
Hamilton was a Neocon
It is somewhat ironic that in our time a staunch Constitutionalist is seen (accurately) as our last, best hope for a restoration of liberty ... when in the 1780s the Constitutionalists (i.e. Federalists, especially Hamilton) were really the Neocons of their day. The Anti-Federalists were the real ancestors-in-spirit of the Ron Paul Revolution.
Yes, Politeia, I would agree
"The Anti-Federalists were the real ancestors-in-spirit of the Ron Paul Revolution" - yes, Politeia, I would agree!
I thought I might add, that this was probably less about ideology than it was an effort at the time to weaken the truly dangerous (to the bankers and London) idea of LIBERTY. The huge rift that grew between the Federalists, whos group Adams was a part of due to his belief that without a strong Central Government the Nation wouldn't survive (as opposed to the above described infiltration by the bankers), combined with Adam's hairbrained idea to refer to the president as "his majesty" (or something like that, I can't remember), caused a rift between he and Jefferson that lasted decades. Ahhh, behold the fruits of infiltration and dissinfo!!!
And so, Adams was thrown into the same "camp" as Hamilton, despite his dislike for him and his being suspicious of him. But Adams' motivations and those of Hamilton were eventually laid bare, and the rift between Adams and Jefferson, from whos friendship the country had been born really, healed, resulting in the hundreds of letters they wrote to each other in their later years - some of the most inspirational words between two friends, recounting the birth of a free nation and the decades-long destruction of their friendship by bi-partisan politics and human weakness, ever put to paper.
Funny, ideologically I would compare Paul to Jefferson. But Jefferson died deep in debt - as far as the Man, I would compare him more to Adams, the other true founder of America, who put all of his available energy into the republic fearlessly yet, due to his thrifty and responsible nature died a rich man :)
Hamilton
Hamilton was an agent of the bankers - it was well known that he spoke for the New York financial interests, and suspected that he spoke also for London financial interests. Madison and Jefferson were opposed to his policies and ideas, Adams didn't trust him as far as he could throw him, despite the two being in the same "federalist" camp.
Hamilton got his way with regard to the assumtion of State's debts as part of the Great Compromise - this paved the way for a Centralised Federal banking system, yet in return the Capitol was established in Virginia rather than New York or Philadelphia. Those opposed to Hamilton's vision of big government and a Central Bank wanted above all to keep the seat of government AWAY from the New York financial interests, and so they made a deal.
But Hamilton showed his true colors during Adam's presidency, when he reconstituted the Continental Army and made plans to overthrow the new US government in a military coup - Adams spotted the ruse before Hamilton could impliment it. Later, Jefferson's VP (Burr) shot and killed Hamilton in a duel.
Hamilton strove to create a Central Bank, Paul stands for dismantling it - Hamilton was a traitor, Paul a true patriot. I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would compare Ron Paul to Alexander Hamilton. I can only guess that Farrell believes all that crap they taught us in school ...
Hamilton was a true American
Hamilton stood up the Army as ordered by President Adams under the leadership of George Washington and was handpicked by Washington for the job. You make it sound like Hamilton was a scoundrel like Aaron Burr... (Although Aaron Burr was a great soldier, he was universally distrusted by many founding fathers, most notably, George Washington)
Hamilton was for a strong Fed when there was no strength in the Fed at all. He was one of the first true Americans and a self made man. Born in the West Indies, raised by a single mom, came to America at age 15 and managed to become one of the founding fathers. He bravely fought in the Revolution and devoted his life to making America strong as the first Sec of the Treasury.
Hamilton is not a perfect fit but wouldn't be a bad model for Dr. Paul because even though Hamilton didn't completely like how the Constitution came out, he supported the Constitution as the law of the land. Plus, he didn't have slaves.
Hamilton isn't without faults and neither is Jefferson, but just because Ron Paul isn't most like Hamilton is no reason to bash Hamilton. He is a founding father for a reason and the US is the better because of him.
Hamilton - Please reffer back to the Federation Papers.
"Plus, he didn't have slaves." I am by not by any means trying to insult you or anyone here when I say this to you. Please go back and look up the history of slavery in this country because slavery did NOT just include black slaves, their where white slaves as well, just in case you did not know that (surprisingly most people do not) (and I am not referring to indentured servants either). Slavery yes is wrong period, regardless of color. However, I love how the powers that be in this country just leave out the fact that white slavery was just as rampant and bad.
I quote: (Link: http://www.epado.bravehos... )
“A letter by White slave Elizabeth Sprigs in Maryland to her father John Sprigs in London, England, September 22, 1756 describes some of the conditions that these White slaves lived under.
"Honored Father: '...O Dear Father...I am sure you'll pity your distressed daughter. What we unfortunate English people suffer here is beyond the probability of you in England to conceive. Let it suffice that I am one of the unhappy number toiling day and night, and very often in the horse's druggery, with only the comfort of hearing me called, 'You, bitch, you did not do half enough.' Then I am tied up and whipped to that degree that you's not serve an animal. I have scarce anything but Indian corn and salt to eat and that even begrudged. Nay, many Negroes are better used ...after slaving after Master's pleasure, what rest we can get is to wrap ourselves up in a blanket and lay upon the ground. This is the deplorable condition your poor Betty endures..."[iii][87]â€
You lost me...
What are the Federation Papers? What does your reply have to do with Hamilton? Where did I say any race in connection with the issue of slavery?
The internet is making us stupid since now you can google for two seconds and cut paste a quote as a substitute for knowing about a subject. This may pass sometimes, but what happens when you are offline or in a conversation?
Who's the "New Hamilton"?
For some thoughts on who is the real "new Hamilton" on our present political scene (and how they match up to the original Hamilton), see this morning's LRC Blog; scroll down if necessary to "re: Is Hillary a Neocon?" by Thomas DiLorenzo.
Jefferson vs. Hamilton
Please go back and read the Federalist Papers and take note of the Federal arguments of Hamilton FOR a Federal government, and Jefferson's arguments AGAINST a Federal government.
Also note that Jefferson was one of the few that argued for the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights, as well as the constraining wording of the Constitution to be "Congress shall make no law...", rather than, "The People reserve the right to...."
Andrew Napolitano called Dr. Paul the Thomas Jefferson of our day, and I think he's right.
What you've pointed out here, is that our Federal government is so far off course from its original intent, that even Hamilton looks like a strict Constitutionalist.
I would consider him a new Jackson if anything
and no, I don't mean Michael.
Hamilton's views on economic policy were in favor of a central bank system much similar to the Fed as we have it now.
If I would associate him with any past American President, or leader for that matter, I would go with Andrew Jackson, one of the last Presidents we had who followed the Classical Liberal strand of American politics. Jackson fought to destroy the central bank and make congress take up its responsibility to coin money and determine the worth thereof. It was his main fight, and he was the first candidate to go from town to town in America spreading this exact message. In that era of American history, he won with a landslide.
Except for the genocide part
um, yeah, Jackson maybe
If we keep out the illegal seizure of Florida part and the genocide of native americans part, then, um, maybe you can compare Ron Paul to Andrew Jackson.
:)
Good one
I was thinking the same thing myself. Funny.........However, Jackson was impeached, but later acquitted
One Hamilton was enough
Who is this guy Farrell? "Hamilton's principles?" My goodness, Hamiltion principles of big nationalized government is what started the trend to where we're at right now!
Good Heavens NO Ron Paul is not the new Hamilton. If anything he would be the new Jefferson though I personally believe that Dr. NO might even be a little bit more liberty minded than Jefferson!
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Two things needed in the short term to save our Country:
1.) Ron Paul becoming President in 2008
2.) The www.FairTax.org bill (H.R.25) becoming law
Go spread a Ron Paul grassfire!! www.FireSociety.com
Fair Tax scam
On-air promoter of the Fair Tax endorsed the use of the Real ID weeks ago around the time of the Immigration bill circus.
Your point?
Demonizing a person's view on one issue by pointing out their view on another issue doesn't work. It's a logical fallacy called Reductio ad Hitlerum, a play on the old logical fallacy reductio ad absurdum. It goes, because Hitler supported X, therefore Y is bad because Hitler also supported that. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and the Fairtax, for all it's flaws, is a step toward better government. Even Ron Paul has said he would vote for it if it crossed his desk.
Keep in mind that the Fair Tax is not good, per se. But if we are going to be taxing, better that tax be on consumption than income. It's more equitable, it's more efficient, it reduces the size of government, and it encourages saving rather than spending, which addresses one of the root causes of the monetary problems that Dr. Paul always talks about.
Once again, the Fair Tax is not good, and if I had the votes to replace the income tax with nothing I'd much rather have that. But since I don't, and Ron Paul likely won't, a Fair Tax is better than the current system.
Reindustrialize America so we can make our own repairs.
Dear Nathan Hale:
Replacing the IRS with the Fair Tax lets the looters off the hook. Collecting taxes using a centralized database feeds confiscatory government and does not reduce spending.
Best thing I see about the Fair Tax is the people's will to
1. Bring manufacturing back to our shores
2. Eliminate the property tax and
3. Keep the taxation method simple.
The first step in a healing process is desire. We've got that.
Which is much more than I ever expected.
Considering the battering we get from the press - the only news we hear about other states arrives when there's a catastrophe - this resilience proves we deserve
Ron Paul for President 2008 if not sooner.
FairTax? No Way!
I agree that Ron Paul should be our next Prez, but support a FairTax? This FairTax is true Orwellian New Speak. For when is any tax fair?
Yet, in looking at the FairTax.org website, I expect to find a reasonable set of numbers of under 10%. I see they are calling for a 23% Federal tax!!! Ouuuch! Wasn't this country fought in large part to get rid of overbearing taxes from the Empire of their time (Britain)? This country got along just fine with no Income or "fair" tax for over 130 years. This "fairtax" scam has little to do with fairness, much like the Patriot Act has little to do with patriotism.
FairTax Clarification
The FairTax is revenue neutral at 23%. Income tax plus all other hidden taxes (like taxes on gasoline, etc.) are inclusive to the 23% consumption tax. In other words, 23% is what we pay now. Of course, I support NO tax in place of FairTax, but I'd rather have a consumption tax over an income tax any day.
In some ways, I suppose a visible, straightforward percentage like this is more useful than hidden taxes. It's more likely to spark tax revolt and everything. Getting rid of it all together would be the best bet, though. I'd like to see congress try and pull a 1913 on the people again after the 16th amendment has been abolished.
I'm a realist, so while I'd
I'm a realist, so while I'd agree about the ideal being no taxes, in reality there WILL exist a percentage because there WILL be taxes. And I'm not even the most religious guy, but I find one aspect of modern taxation incredibly-strange....
Most people don't seem to see any hubris-problem with percentages over 10. Sometimes even multiples of 10. It's a sign of how acceptable big government has become, IMO. Or a sign that I'm "out of touch with reality," take your pick. ;)
JMR
I do not think Ron Paul is another Hamilton...God Forbid
FairTaxGuy, you are 100% correct about Hamilton. And if I remember correctly wasn't Jefferson always at odds with Hamilton?
I believe Dr. Paul is a lot wiser than a Hamilton and leans more toward the thinking of a Jefferson.
However, I also believe Congressman Ron Paul is his own man and leans very strongly toward the US Constitution. Where everyone in public office should lean.
But sadly, as we can plainly see most lean toward the lobbyists. This is why having someone like Ron Paul, who is no friend to lobbyists is so refreshing.
The White House and the Executive Branch are in need of a good fumigating and Dr. Paul is just the one to do the job as our next president.