
Why did the thread on Ron Paul potentially being a Freemason get locked?
Submitted by kentrailer on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 13:23
Do we not have freedom of speech here? Can't people make up their own minds?
I come to the Daily Paul for freedom of speech, I do not appreciate topics being censored.















FYi
this is the referenced thread by original poster:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/106012
i credit Ron Paul with my awakening but i also want this thread back: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/106012
the search for truth never ends, it seems.
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Why weren't 2/3rds of the
Why weren't 2/3rds of the threads from today deleted? Are the moderators still on holiday?
The owner of any site
should have the right to censor as he or she sees fit.
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As for the Mason question, do your own research, but that is ALWAYS the answer to any question. It is more important that you know what YOU are doing and why. Just suppose Ron Paul is the most cunning wolf in sheep's clothing ever to walk the earth. If he isyour leader, you follow him into whatever fate he plans for you. If you only walk beside him then when he tries to lead you into darkness you will not follow, you will continue on your path. This is true about all men, including (or especially) the clergy.
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Well said.
Excellent post.. I agree
Excellent post.. A lot of truth in there- Thank you Paul4one
Every aspect and angle
is alway's covered. You don't think the powers that be allow only the bad ones to play in front of us, do you? Every now and again you need to a way to bring the freedom oriented cream of the crop, to come floating to the top.
If RP is really
part of the NWO machine, I will be floored...If not him, who CAN you trust?
you can ONLY fully trust
you can ONLY fully trust yourself,
who cares if he's a part of the machine, if he is then they fucked up big time because it causes all of us to lok into things we wouldn't have on our own, and that personal research is all that matters in the end if you are going to expose "them"
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
The NWO play the hand they are dealt
Whatever RP is, the NWO has figured out how to use him to their best advantage. Surely you can see the truth in that?
Again, all that counts is who YOU are, and what YOU do, unless you are being a sheep.
Read what John Quincy Adams had to say about Masonry
LETTERS ON THE MASONIC INSTITUTION.
BY JOHN QUINCY ADAMS (yes, THAT John Quincy Adams)
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/lettersonthem...
What this president had to say is NOT pretty...
"I do conscientiously and sincerely believe that the Order of Freemasonry, if not the greatest, is one of the greatest moral and political evils under which the Union is now laboring.”
______________________
If RP is in fact a Mason, he must be one of the lower levels. If he was one of the higher-ups he wouldn't be getting the treatment he's been getting from TPTB.
John Adams was not a Mason
You are correct. He was one of the only founding fathers who wasn't. You ever notice how he is not represented very positively and is not on any of our money? He was treated as shamelessly as RP has been. He was not the most diplomatic but yet he was the most decent and honest and sacrificed a great deal for this country. Some parallels here.
Healthnut4freedom
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Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
You are probably correct
But keep in mind that the one who wrote those letters was actually John Adams son, John Quincy Adams, the 6th president.
He was also marginalized
Just like his father. He had his father's heart and lack of guile. However, he also had his tendency toward getting to the point and offending people.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
The faces on money are like banksters game trophy heads
All the ones who fought them are mocked by being on some of their funny money. Kennedy on the last silver coin issued for circulation... nice touch, eh?
I always wondered why
Andrew Jackson was on a bill...
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Why's that armor? Not
Why's that armor? Not allowed back now?
No..
It's just that I experienced something similar if I have a lot of tabs open.
You are signed-in on one tab, but not another..it will act weird and give you an "access denied" message.
You're a little fuzzy on the concept of freedom of speech.
Your freedom of speech doesn't entitle you to use someone else's equipment to convey your message. If anything you post on the Daily Paul annoys the site's owner, it's his prerogative to remove it.
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I don't care
if he is a Mason...I try to judge people by their ACTIONS! His actions are exemplary. There are good and bad people in all walks of life; just because everything of importance has been overrun by those with their own agendas, it still doesn't mean that everything about "it" has become corrupted...
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Read the rules is right
Find something more useful to do with your time than witch hunting; especially when it is of our good doctor. Have you been fighting for our rights for 30 years? Hmmm. I didn't think so. I wonder who you are anyway.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
That's because he's NOT.
if we took millions of photos of a person's daily life and all iterations in which your limbs end up, the fake "devil horn" may be found. Don't know if you're speaking of Bill Maher show, or some opportune pix of his tired fingers that formed the "horns," but are you aware that he has an injury in that hand from long ago? Plus I don't know IF you've been on TV, or public limelight, but everyone acts unnatural to varying degrees in front of a camera, because talking to a machine with polished glass lens beaming out photon transmissions, IS un-NATURAL
Folks, some of you are really reaching... There is substantiated vigilance, and outright fearmongering and paranoia for its own sake, so that one is always right about things that can never be definitively proven, or unproven, one way or another. If you suspect everyone, you're always right, aren't you. That's a sad way to live. I'd ask you to use the judgment and discernment skills you've acquired over your life time and re-assess.
Truly chomping at the bits.
Plus, the Doc's been asked flat out, "ARE YOU a FreeMason, or have now or ever been a member of any secret societies?" He answered simply with both hands visible, "NO, with the exception of his medical profession's fraternity.
Enough with the bullsh*t occult myth. There are REAL occultists, there are porch masons, and then there are NWO and their sycophantic minions. Guess where RP falls into? NONE of those.
While no body truly "knows" anyone that is not in one's own personal sphere, the best we can do is go by their record, and if they walk the talk. Hasn't 30+ yrs of DOCUMENTED public service enough?
This isn't about preventing freespeech, it's about NOT wasting time on insensate and incessant unsubstantiated rumors.
Enough, is enough.
Well, let people make up
Well, let people make up their own minds- the point is censorship in any form should not be allowed on a supposedly 'freedom loving' candidate's website- and we need to know who we're dealing with exactly.
If Paul's wife belongs to some secret club, I consider that rather alarming- He's also apparently a Mason- I don't want ANY secret society scumbags anywhere near the capital, I'm sorry, but I'm never voting for a Mason/ CFR member, so it's a valid topic.
If there isn't freedom of speech here.. this isn't the movement I thought it was.
Follow the guidelines or leave.
This is a Ron Paul SUPPORT site. You are accusing him of being a Mason with absolutely NO PROOF & alluding that he is a "secret-society scumbag," not to mention his wife Carol. This is blatant breaking of more than one guideline (name-calling & personal attacks). Hopefully you get banned, 8-weeker.
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No, I said I don't want any
No, I said I don't want any secret society scumbags in office.. I said he is apparently a mason- but I'm not sure, I've heard conflicting things. Don't get so upset.
You don't agree that the secret society sociopaths running us into the ground are scumbags?
Strange how wanting to know Ron Paul's connection to the Masons is such a touchy subject- worthy of getting me banned?
Follow the leader without asking questions or get BANNED!! Sounds like Obama's website.
Read carefully what you posted
above. It reads as that is what you meant. Maybe you should edit or rewrite what you mean.
It's not the questioning that gets you banned - it's breaking the guidelines which are actually very lenient.
None of us here support secret societies. Go read threads from the beginning 2 yrs. ago up to now.
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We have made up our own minds.
I think the vote is in. Most of us more informed DPaulers ignore posts like this. So perhaps one cannot gauge our true native sentiments. But here you have it. Read the rest of the posts. This IS why we don't bring it up. However, unsubstantiated rumors and accusations about the Doc, in of all places called the Daily "Paul," which stands for Ron Paul, posted by enlightented NON-Cult of personality, citizenry whom simply respects a man for all his past and present endeavors, one should expect a smack-down, least of all a verbal bitch-slap.
Just because a thread is posted, it doesn't make it anymore or less significant. But if FreeMarket is of any lesson, OUR liberty/Freedom/DailyPaul customers vote NO, Ron Paul is NOT a mason, based on the best info available to third parties that can help us ascertain one way or another.
Plus, if you are of the discernment and deductive reasoning skills you've displayed here, perhaps YOU are not the Patriot, and the FreedomFighter that "this movement" is looking for, nor need. Your own suggestion infers that you are somehow of necessary merit to warrant a need by this "movement." Are you to be the sole arbiter of who is fit, or not to be fit for this "movement?" To which, one proffers kindly, "Sir, get over yourself."
There you have it.
Sorry, but I'm a patriot who
Sorry, but I'm a patriot who enjoys freedom of speech, don't turn this around on me.
Now you just want to have the last say...
and be right.
To which, I say, good on you. And, good for you.
Yes, I do enjoy turning things around: poor logic and observation, for one, or is that two? But I guess yours is just better than all of ours. So you win. Enjoy the the last say, because that's what always determines reality, no?
This is my last post on this matter. I bid you adieu, my dear well-meaning Patriotic Masonic hunter. May your headhunts be bountiful, and make your day. Though I think you are certain to have better luck going after members of "The Family," the true admitted and vetted NWO sycophantic minion turds, according to the author Jeff Sharlet.
No, I just want freedom of
No, I just want freedom of speech. It's pretty simple.
Addendum:
If we took millions of photos of a person's daily life and all iterations in which your limbs end up, the fake "devil horn" may be found.
Don't know if you're speaking of Bill Maher show, or some opportune pix of RP's tired fingers that inadvertently formed the "horns," but are you aware that he has an injury in that hand from long ago? Plus I don't know IF you've ever been on TV, or lived in public limelight, but everyone acts unnatural to varying degrees, in front of a camera, because talking to a machine with polished glass lens beaming out photon transmissions to billions of people, IS un-NATURAL.
Folks, some of you are really reaching... There is substantiated vigilance, and outright fear-mongering, and paranoia for its own sake, so that one is always right about things that can never be definitively proven, or unproven, one way or another. If you suspect everyone, you're always right, aren't you? That's a sad way to live. I'd ask you to use the judgment and discernment skills you've acquired over your life time and re-assess.
Truly chomping at the bits.
Plus, the Doc's been asked flat out, "ARE YOU a FreeMason, or have now or ever been a member of any secret societies?" He answered simply with both hands visible, "NO," with the exception of his medical profession's fraternity.
Enough with the bullsh*t occult myth. There are REAL occultists; there are porch masons, whom on the most part, are oblivious as to their own upper echelon's collusion with the NWO or whomever is really in charge, and then there are the NWO and their sycophantic minions. Guess where RP falls into? NONE of those.
While nobody truly "knows" anyone that is not in one's own personal sphere, the best we can do is go by their record, and if they walk the talk: Isn't 30+ yrs of DOCUMENTED public service enough? What more do you want, or need? You want him to prove to you, of his everyday on a reality tv show, with a minute by minute daily affirmation that he is NOT a Mason? And frankly, even IF he were in some parallel universe, IF the Doc hasn't done anything evil or conspiratorial in his entire life, who the frakk cares? Have you delivered over 4000+ babies into this world? Have you contributed to waking up the minds of millions of Americans and foreigners to OUR heritage of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and Austrian School of Economics? My guess? NO.
This isn't about preventing freespeech. But, it IS about NOT wasting time on insensate and incessant unsubstantiated rumors.
Enough, is enough.
Ron Paul Probably IS a free mason.
So what?
Seems like everyone here is dead set that secret societies are all bad, they are not. Matter of fact, secret societies where originally created for the purposes of good as opposed to evil. However, those who crave worldly pleasures corrupted many secret societies but even in the "dark" world there are both good and evil on the either side like in the white world of being asleep and awoken.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
For all the bad
For all the Bad secret societies we hear about, I think there's an equal number of Good, secret "societies" we Don't hear about.
Even within each Secret Society there is good and bad.
The New World Order is sort of an umbrella term to describe all the power elite throughout the world.
Most of them just rule over their designated areas of interest and maintain their own power while playing nice with other fraternal orders.
A rebirth of American Ideals, in my opinion, will shatter the concept of secret societies.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
"The very word "secrecy" is
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings"
-John F Kennedy
Put it into perspective.
Secret societies have been around for hundreds, if not, thousands of years before JFK was born. By the time he was elected President all the secret societies where corrupted so of course you'd expect that stance from him.
To put it into further perspective many of our founding fathers had ties to secret societies, if not for secret societies America may not have come to be.
I'm not saying I like them, I'm just giving to you my viewpoints.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
Very bad example
Kennedy was addressing an audience of newspaper and TV reporters. The bit about secrecy was a lead-in to him asking them not to report things that he thought would might compromise national security with regard to the soviets. So he was not just asking people on one private venue with specific political goals to stay on topic. He was asking reporters in general to censor themselves. Google it and read the entire speech.
BTW, I was fooled also. I made a video and a poster for HR 1207 in which I used the quote, not knowing its origin. My bad.
That's interesting- I'll
That's interesting- I'll check it out. I've always liked the quote, but haven't read the whole speech. Thanks.
I read the rest of it, and
I read the rest of it, and it doesn't come off like he's censoring:
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.
Read the whole thing. He
Read the whole thing. He was asking them to back off. That was the whole point of the speech.
Watch His Hands Brother
He is not a mason. John Birch at worst; however, Dr. Paul seems to be the only genuine hero in my life except the guy I met tonight that has 7 kids aged 12 to 33. Maybe Dr. Paul is #2 now in my life (worst case scenario). He is genuine. Not pure. Genuine. Not virtuous, but genuine. Freemasons are genuine, virtuous, and pure.
Watch their hands.
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"Freemasons are genuine, virtuous, and pure"
Does that include all the upper degrees too?
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They keep secrets from us, because they love us.
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