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then does that mean your socialist friend have a right to my labor for free? Or to a set amount delegated by the government for my profession? If education is a right, does that mean your socialist friend have a right to my labor for free disregarding the time and expense it took me to be a teacher? Are tennis courts a right? Are music studios a right? Are baseball parks a right? Is the labor the people who may construct these courts, studios and parks free? If it's free, then are they slaves? Is public transportation free? Last time I checked a lot of people do not use them, but are tax for their use.

Do public colleges offer the same level of education (some do) than private colleges? Why is that the constitutional U.S Postal Service is bankrupt and FEDEX/UPS are not? The USPS has a monopoly as they can deliver First class mail and FEDEX/UPS cannot. Why is it that the public schools can go to the government for unlimited amount of money, and the private schools cannot? Why is it that people would rather pay 40k+ a year in a private school than 15k year on a public school? Why is it that socialist believe we need more socialism in order to solve the problems caused by socialism?

Your friend is lost in a sea of ignorance and deception.

public option means the government will "set the price". But it already does.. to expand it to more people than the VA and medicare federal and state plans, the government drops services for VA and medicare patients, dental, vision, for example, from nothing to $20. The $20 they are now gertting from VA and medicare patients helps cover other costs.. OBGYN, heart..So the govt option will provide dental and vision on a sliding scale as an option to healthcare insurance. This is why some people want insurance between states..

Mexico is offering complete healthcare for $250.00 per year. http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=213605

Once you have any government involvement it is near an impossibility to have it removed. While perhaps starting out small, eventually there will be nothing but government left as noone can compete with it. Even if government decides to make a no competition law to try to bring in more people it will. And don't say that is ludicrous, just look at Amtrak and the railroads. At the time they were to big to fail and so the government was looked upon for answers. Those that don't learn history are doomed to repeat it.

A government health care plan will eventually step by step have more people and companies relying on it. As all companies charge the government the max for it's services, competition has now gone out the window. Don't forget the people that become on it. The people on the government's health care coverage will not want to come off easily as everyone is out to save a buck and they think they have a good deal.

So just ask yourself one question, how does government pay for things? People like to think it's a cauldron of never ending money and that socialized medicine is "free" when nothing could be further from the truth. Accepting government involvement in this area will find you soon hearing out the other side of governments mouth, "In order to pay for these things you want we must raise taxes."
Just take a look at medicare or social security, which are supposedly both for your benefit as they raise the requirements.

Oops, I just name the two biggest contributing factors of the deficit. Yes even more than the War on Terror, way more.
The things I wonder and you should too...
Where will complete socialized medicine factor on the budget after 10 years of being implemented?
Who will pay for it?
and how will they pay for it?

security and freedom are NOT the same thing
hope I helped

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"The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin" - Mark Twain

to keep it as easy as possible, let's say you owned a company of 100,000 people under you and it cost you $20 per person for insurance coverage. Now the government is allowed to come out with a coverage plan. Seeing how they do not have to worry about profits and their aim is primarily coverage for everyone, they make it $10 per person. Note they are not "forcing" you the corporation to switch to their service. In fact, for a large corporation such as yourself they charge you even a 50% penalty fee to dissuade you from joining.... What would you do?

The answer is you would join the government option as you now currently pay $2,000,000 for providing coverage for your employees and if you join with the government plan (with the fee tacked on) you would pay $1,500,000 saving you and your company $500,000

(I made the 50% fee ultra high on purpose - I believe the proposed fee is somewhere around 8%? which would be you saving your company $920,000)

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"The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin" - Mark Twain

for the college thing: public colleges may be cheaper, but thats probably because they are public and dont need tuitions to pay for everything. kinda like how a 100% reserve bank (non-inflationary) would need to charge you rent on your account, yet inflationary fractional-reserve banks can offer free-checking and sometimes will actually pay you to open an account, because 90% of all deposits are up for loan.

like ron said in a recent msm interview... just like you have a right to the PURSUIT of happiness, you also have a right to ACCESS of medical care. you do not have a right to free happiness or care.
you don't have the right to someone else's property, or labor (ie theft/ slavery). just because someone has the ability or knowledge to do something (no matter how important) doesn't give you the right to compel their service.
if you really want to boil it down with this "intense socialist" start asking him how he feels about theft... or if he supports the military draft or any other form of slavery. where does he draw the line? can he draw a line?

and with the public option, it seems like the public option is going to be cheaper than any private insurance company that actually has to worry about a budget of some kind. whats happening is this enormously wealthy insurance co is going to start up that can drive everyone else out of business because its pockets are so deep that it can afford to lose money, in fact, that's its goal... daddy warbucks is the US taxpayer/ and it's monopoly-money machine known as the federal reserve system. the socialist friend will surely be familiar with the so-called monopolies of the "gilded age" who were accused of predatory-pricing... the only difference here is this is the real thing.
the problem with the public option is that it drives out the private insurance that the gov't is so graciously not nationalizing.

didn't mean to give a serious response... somebody tell me where I messed up, cause I have no idea what just happened haha
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These services are paid for by most individuals excluding schoolarships.. They aren't gov't institutions.
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