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The American Conservative : Who's Afraid of Sibel Edmonds?

Why isn't Keith Olberman running his FAT MOUTH off about this? Why isn't Rachel Maddow running off her FAT MOUTH about this? After all the Crooks in question come from the right. Something makes you go hmm. I wonder why? The Mainstream liberal media won't even touch this. Her story has been known for several years now.

Yet this was featured on CNN TURKEY? But no mention of it here? It was FRONT PAGE news in Turkish newspapers for several weeks? In the US - nothing?

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/

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This explains a lot about our foreign policy. Should be front pa

This is basic education about who runs our foreign policy and why. I continue to say that understanding the Israeli lobby and also the covert influence of Israel should be one of our most important objectives. Why is this not on the front page?

Are we afraid of mentioning Israel and their tactics here at the Daily Paul?

Please bump to educate our fellow Daily Paulers.

"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

Israeli spys run wild in America's State Department / Congress

Please read and bump

"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

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"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

SCHAKOWSKY

She never said Schakowsky did anything wrong. She had a sexual affair that could be used to blackmail her. Edmonds heard the tapes, she took the polygraph test and passed with flying colors, the government said she's a very credible witness. Schakowsky will deny it, but what else is new, it's not like she's an honest person.

this story is obviosuly squashed due to ONE mention: ISRAEL

"Lantos would give Makovsky highly classified policy-related documents obtained during defense briefings for passage to Israel because Makovsky was also working for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)."

My freedom is more important than your great idea.

THIS SHOULD BE FRONT PAGE INFORMATION; PLEASE BUMP

PLEASE BUMP. Bump...

This is basic information for anyone who wants to know the truth and understand our foreign policy. Please help us educate our fellow DailyPaulers and... bump.

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"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

Please bump....

"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

This touches too many bigshots.

The MSM is not about to bite the hand that feeds them. Careers could be lost by doing that.
Edmonds evidence is her testimony about what she translated. She was not a participant. What more evidence could she have?

SCHAKOWSKY REPLIES TO

SCHAKOWSKY REPLIES TO EDMONDS RESPONSE

Schakowsky's office, via Kincaid, sent a reply tonight to Edmonds' response above, as follows:
"As with all fairytales, Ms. Edmonds' fantasy about Congresswoman Schakowsky was easily dismantled by introducing irrefutable facts. It is clear from reading her response that Ms. Edmonds has decided to change her story rather than admitting her charade had been revealed. It is unfortunate. Aside from the point that Congresswoman Schakowsky is married, not a single aspect of Ms. Edmonds' original story was true. The claims about Congresswoman Schakowsky do not have a leg to stand on and have been shown to be the stuff of science-fiction and absurd conspiracy theory; absent of any factual basis. Period."

When we pressed Kincaid to see if he wished to answer the specific points Edmonds directed at the Congresswoman at the end of her response, he said he believed his response "does address her questions and all her allegations. Showing them all to be untrue."

When we suggested that the response didn't actually answer the questions posed directly, he replied in kind: "The bottom line is that Ms Edmonds has no credibility because she is apparently willing to make things up and pretend that they are true. We have presented the facts and she changed her story as a result."

Edmonds declined to respond to Kincaid's last reply late tonight, saying instead that she would "have more on that later" as well as re-iterating that her statements were based on "verbatim communication intercepted, recorded, filed, and 'shared.'"

We've got a number of notes, and various points of fact that we've been collecting throughout the day in regard to all of this. Moreover, a number of open questions remain unresolved in trying to make sense of the different sides of the story, but we wanted to get as much comment as possible, from all sides, onto the public record as soon as possible.

As we're able to gather more information, more comment from those involved, additional corroboration and/or exculpatory evidence in hopes of putting more pieces together on both the allegations about Schakowsky and the many, much broader allegations about many other officials, as now being made on the record by Edmonds, we will, of course, share as much as possible here. We hope other media outlets will consider doing the same.
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I have no doubt who is telling the truth.

What did Schakowsky do wrong?

Apart from cheating on her husband with a woman?

I wonder how Edmonds justifies making these facts public, when they were collected by Turkish spies for use in blackmail. I couldn't figure out, from the article, what corrupt government activity Schakowsky is being accused of.

Schakowsky laughed when

Schakowsky laughed when handed the peered reviewed science of 911.

Beyond that, being a dumb horny whore with out the sense to realize your ugly ass is being blackmailed by a foreign power is WRONG.

Holy shit, you people cant be serious. I have to be surrounded by Government agents.

I asked for information

that's all.

Likely some

some are just dumb

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If you had read the article

you'd see that there is no information about Schakowsky, beyond the fact that she had this affair. I want to know what she did, showing government corruption. It is not "dumb" to state that relevant information is missing.

Great post.

Great post.

I'd like to add that during

I'd like to add that during her deposition, Bruce Fein was the lawyer representing Turkey. I didn't look into it too much but a friend of mine, who is hardly dispassionate about this since he works for an Armenian newspaper, said that Fein is a "big Turk".
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero

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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero

Sibel Edmonds and our corrupt government

QUOTE: Why isn't Rachel Maddow running off her FAT MOUTH about this? Afterall...........the Crooks in question come from the right.
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Hi! Remember, there is an accusation of a democratic Congresswoman in a lesbian affair and possible bribary. In addition, some of the illegal activity started during the Clinton Administration era. Finally, the spineless Henry Waxman promised hearings and then did nothing.

FOX News is not running off their fat mouths about the scandal. Neither is the Washington Times.

None of these Mainstream "Media" organizations, whether from the left or right have much journalistic integrity. They may try and latch on to whatever populist movement is catching on (on their side of the aisle) to get viewers, but in my opinion, most of what is produced is a combination of 1) yelling and screaming at the other side, and 2) watered-down, meaningless PR. It's hard to believe that anyone gets their news from these sources anymore!

The American Conservative and Brad Blog really have to be commended for all of the work they've done on the Sibel Edmonds issue. The foreign press and Blogs from both sides did a great job in my opinion!

Twoggle

Yup, its all Jerry Springer

Yup, its all Jerry Springer style entertainment.

yes

I bump for Sibel. I don't hear enough about Ms. Edmonds
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I really wish Ms. Edmonds

I really wish Ms. Edmonds had some proof for some of her allegations, as they're so far reaching as to come across as somewhat unbelievable. The part about non Turkish MIT Ph.D. students flat out selling information from Sandia and such, does not strike me as very believable. Noone doing graduate work in physics or engineering at MIT are going to be that desperate for cash, and it's not like those guys don't have opportunities to earn more money elsewhere. But since I don't know every one of them, and Ms. Edmonds does not give out names, what do I know.

Drugs en masse coming in on military planes sounds a bit suspicious as well. There are such huge incentives for anyone involved in any of this to come clean, that it sounds unlikely absolutely noone would have done so. But again, maybe they soon will, and Ms. Edmonds is simply the first of a whole slew of them. If so, hopefully some of the others will have taken care to preserve some rather non refutable proof to back their allegations up with.

MIT grad students and Drugs

Grad students Probably make around $25 k/ yr, and are probably in debt about $100 k from their undergrad tuition. This is really low wages, considering Boston is an expensive city. Plus, many of the grad students are foreigners - they may not be turkish, but could be lebonese or azeri, or something. I would not be surprised at all if they were willing to share secrets for money.

We also know that the CIA ran drugs during the Viet nam era, and probably Iran Contra. So why is that so hard to believe.

That said, I would like some more evidence as well, but given the circumstance, and the time frame, it would take significant resources to do these investigations, without the actual tapes she mentions.

"Drugs en masse coming in on military planes sounds a bit...

suspicious"

it did until all of the evidence points to the military covering up stories like Mena AFB
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/c_o_mena.html
http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html#cia_and_cocaine_smuggling...

or the huge heroin numbers in afghanistan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12...
Opium production in Afghanistan, which provides more than 90 percent of the world's heroin, broke all records in 2006, reaching a historic high despite ongoing U.S.-sponsored eradication efforts, the Bush administration reported yesterday...

then there is iran contra
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm#1

the evidence is there, its just not being reported

Here is some corroboration

From Michael Ruppert's book Crossing the Rubicon:

According to Pakistan journalist Amir Mateen, in a prophetic article published Sept. 10th, 2001, "ISI Chief Lt-Gen. Mahmoud's week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and the National Security Council...the most important meeting was with Marc Grossman..."

She claims

All of her files can be verified by FBI investigative files. Isn't that where the "proof" would be? She's not been proven false as of yet nor has she been sued. And...now Hastert is working for the Turks.

Care to listen?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7253

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"(Better) to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of lies." ~ Michael Nystrom

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

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Fascinating interview. Besides the obvious ones, two names jumped out at me....
Dan Burton who cosponsored Dr. Paul's Health Freedom Act
and Jan Schakowsky, the idiot Congresswoman who laughed when WeAreChange presented her with an evidence packet.

Sorry

In my haste i forgot the article......

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/

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