I also could not help but notice how Barny Frank reacted to Tom Woods, "bought off" comment. Almost like it was a personal comment on Frank. I'm thinking it was Frank who assured everyone that fanny and freddie were sound and solvent companies a short time ago. Reminds me of the old watergate question, "what did they know and when did they know it". I am not sure Frank is all for this, but with 300 co-sponsers how could he not bring it to a hearing? I just would have felt better about it had Frank not tore into Tom Woods and walked over his statement.
Thank you, Dr. Paul, for your long, diligent, thoughtful, articulate and dedicated journey to bring this issue to the forefront of the GOA committee -- again, after the failed attempt in 1983.
I was extremely disappointed in the manner in which Alvarez responded to many of the questions presented to him. Most all of his answers began with the word, "So." He then proceeded to elude answering questions, directly, and spewed Rhetoric.
I was also disappointed in the manner in which Watts addressed Woods. Clearly, the audit would not be, necessarily, about numbers, but policy procedures and directives. That had been laid out at the beginning of the hearing. Such policy procedures and directives, however, often ultimately affect the numbers.
Woods also may have made a valid statement in regards to "being bought and paid for," referring to grants to economic research. However, he never had the chance to clarify himself.
The mention by the Chair "to wait for the Movie" was also quite puzzling to me. Did he mean a "future documentary; after the fact." That often is the case in the history of discovering what "really happens" within our country's political events. That, in itself, is extremely disheartening and has ultimately led to American's lack of faith in our Government.
I applaud Ron Paul for his long-held and tireless determination to strive for truth and uphold our Constitutional rights.
My children and grandchildren will bear the burdens or successes of what our country accomplishes or fails at today. Right now, I fear, if something isn't done to oversee and regulate the TPTB, including the FED, they will be dealing with the waste of our failure for a long time to come.
One of the only questions Barney Frank asked Tom Woods was about the remark he made in his opening statement. Woods said something to the effect that anyone who does not support the audit of the Fed is bought and paid for.
Frank was the only one who was offended by this or should I say the only one who made a Federal case out of it. WHY?
One other Rep who ended up looking like a fool was Watt of NC.
Has he been one of the daily calls? If not he certainly needs to be.
When are the voters in MA and NC going to see the light and vote these Reps. out? Both districts deserve better than these two are giving them.
The easy way is to ask - What is the FED's track record since it's inception. Depressions, recessions, bubbles and bailouts, not to mention 95% devaluation of the dollar.
The other large piece of the puzzle that most people don't understand is the fractional reserve system. This is the other hand of the FED where the bankers lend IMAGINARY money to us on a 9 to 1 ratio. This is where the real money is made and why they are so obsessively GREEDY AND CORRUPT!
I did a quick check of Mr. Watt's top campaign contributors:
(drumroll please...)
3 of the top 4 include Bank of America, Wachovia Corporation and the American Bankers Association. (Source: opensecrets.org)
Shocking, isn't it? Yet, how many voters recognize they need to be looking at this before they assimilate what any particular representative has to say?
Opensecrets.org should be bookmarked on every voter's web browser. Everyone on this site should be intimately familiar with it, it's an extraordinary tool for educating your fellow citizens to political reality.
While I was at it I checked Congressman Paul's top donors.
They are, in order:
1. US Army
2. US Navy
3. US Air Force
We can see how menacing some congress members are, like Melvin Watt (D-NC), who clearly colludes with the Fed to the abandonment and neglect of his constituents' interest and their Constitutional protection of their property rights, would chew and spit out Tom Woods instead of the slippery worm, Alvarez, who never once answered any question 'substantively' as he accused Tom Woods.
Clearly this is the type of scum that the people in NC in the 12th district have to work hard to give the boot and this session is the proof of that reason.
To quote Mel Watt, House Representative from NC: "The question is not whether there will be some kind of increased audit of the Federal Reserve, but how that will take place."
It is great to hear other representatives thanking Dr. Paul for bringing the act forward, and to hear other representatives mentioning moral hazard. It's about time!
It shows the importance of contacting out reps about this issue.
In the video, Representative after Representative talk about how their consituents are asking about this.
One negative: I think the hearing did not make clear what the Fed actually does: e.g., print money. So I still think that few people really know this, and so it's difficutl to mobilize support to end the Fed.
"It started more than a quarter-century ago as just another far-out idea from decidedly outside-the-mainstream politician Rep. Ron Paul -- allow detailed congressional audits of some of the most sensitive activities of the Federal Reserve..."
opening remarks included this statement: "The Federal Reserve engages in considerable market activity...they buy and sell. I do believe that it is important in our [exercising] that that be made public. We don't want public entities buying and selling securities with nobody ever knowing. I also believe, however, that there needs to be some time to elapse so that their buying and selling does not have a direct market effect... " @ ~ 4 mins
Putting Grayson's question aside, the fact that the Fed is a player means those few in charge could potentially manipulate the market.
Not only that, but it seems that with this section 13-3 (discussed at some length more than once later on), those few have discretion to call into play what are considered emergency measures. Serious, emergency measures they would rather not use. The fact that this is even in the mix makes one stop and say "what's wrong with this picture?"
Our Los Angeles-to-Vegas-to-Utah Ronvoy to the Rally for the Republic drove straight through to Minneapolis ~ no hotel stays, and we enthusiastically talked politics and monetary policy, aaaaaall the way to Minnesota, and aaaaaall the way back home.
It was heaven, not worrying about boring anyone around us!
Anyone notice that the camera angle is different in the c-span video?
You can't see the "protester" hold up the inflationary dollar behind Dr. Woods anymore.
I didn't see the sign, watching it on the linked C-Span video. But, the gentleman holding the sign was consulting with Woods at the very end of the clip. This immediately led me to believe it might have been staged by Woods.. I don't know. What I do know is that the hearing was extremely important and serious and should not have included such theatrics...
Also I think the point of the audits is to come to the conclusion that the Fed is a useless institution and is actually counterproductive towards achieving its own objectives.
The Fed lawyer is objecting to the fact that GAO audits would affect monetary policy.... I wonder how much worse our monetary policy can get. Should we just keep letting the Fed continue to blow up these massive bubbles, and then bail out the banks when they pop again and again? Seems to me this simply amounts to a massive transfer of wealth from all of America to Wall Street.
A part from the slimey false creature of Alvarez who appeared instead of Bernake,Watts and Frank should be fired. How much money the FED shovels up their ass to behave like that? 6 digit, 7 digit? Anyway the printing is for free!!!!!
Barney Frank doth protest far to much over the bought and paid for comment by Woods. Me thinks now that Frank was slapping Woods down because that remark resembled himself a little to close for comfort. While Woods and Paul were obviously in cahoots as students of Austrian economics and friends, Frank and Watts appeared to be in cahoots in some sinister fashion. I really loathed the way both Frank and especially Watts took Woods to task over semantics without ever allowing him space for an answer. From the getgo I thought these two characters, Frank and Watts, are wasting so much time on the record making long drawn out diatribes about absolutely nothing except their egos. I kept wondering about Watts' intelligence during his first spiel and whether he had the mental capacity to understand the subject and why he was even speaking on the issue. Then he came out with his agenda in favor of "Fed independence" . Later during his crazy admonishment of Woods, I couldn't help but think these dopes are really gonna get it in the blogs over at Lew Rockwell. I guess I should mosey over there and see what is being said.
"I really loathed the way both Frank and especially Watts took Woods to task over semantics without ever allowing him space for an answer."
Dr. Paul does this to his adversaries all the time. While it's irritating when you don't agree, don't you think it's fair for any participant to use their time to make a statement?
Still, he does use his time to make statements and he does interrupt witnesses in order to keep them on the path he wants them to go. See page 109 of "End the Fed" for an example.
I don't see a problem with it. I'm sure glad Paul has been able to use such tactics.
I concede that RP uses question time for long winded explanations about his viewpoint about the issue at hand, but I have yet to see him ask a question then rudely interrupt the person while they are answering. If he interrupts it might be to keep them on topic but not to derail them from answering at all.
I'm glad they were rude. Everyone can see their true nature. I was actually starting to like Frank in the beginning when he was looking over at Paul all the time, as if seeking his approval.
First, Watts sarcastically thanks Woods for the political advise, then Frank tells Woods that he should leave strong rhetoric to the politicians who get paid for it! When they show that kind of arrogance does it even matter if Woods answers or not?
Bottom line: That hearing damaged the Fed. Clips of it are all over the place now.
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Michelle Bachmann only read half of meltdown? I thought I remember hearing that she started reading it several months ago, why would she stop halfway? I mean, it is only 150 pages and Tom Woods has the easiest style of prose that i have ever seen for a historian discussing serious issues. It took me about 3 hours to read and i am not even that fast of a reader. I am happy that she is trying, but if she really wants to get it she should try harder.
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What happened to this C-span video? When I first watched it
last week it was exactly 3 hours long????
Did they actually remove about 40 minutes??? Omg'd we are truly at the end of this 'unsound reality'. Let it all fall.
audit the Fed hearing
I also could not help but notice how Barny Frank reacted to Tom Woods, "bought off" comment. Almost like it was a personal comment on Frank. I'm thinking it was Frank who assured everyone that fanny and freddie were sound and solvent companies a short time ago. Reminds me of the old watergate question, "what did they know and when did they know it". I am not sure Frank is all for this, but with 300 co-sponsers how could he not bring it to a hearing? I just would have felt better about it had Frank not tore into Tom Woods and walked over his statement.
sweet.
thanks.
Thank you, Dr. Paul
Thank you, Dr. Paul, for your long, diligent, thoughtful, articulate and dedicated journey to bring this issue to the forefront of the GOA committee -- again, after the failed attempt in 1983.
I was extremely disappointed in the manner in which Alvarez responded to many of the questions presented to him. Most all of his answers began with the word, "So." He then proceeded to elude answering questions, directly, and spewed Rhetoric.
I was also disappointed in the manner in which Watts addressed Woods. Clearly, the audit would not be, necessarily, about numbers, but policy procedures and directives. That had been laid out at the beginning of the hearing. Such policy procedures and directives, however, often ultimately affect the numbers.
Woods also may have made a valid statement in regards to "being bought and paid for," referring to grants to economic research. However, he never had the chance to clarify himself.
The mention by the Chair "to wait for the Movie" was also quite puzzling to me. Did he mean a "future documentary; after the fact." That often is the case in the history of discovering what "really happens" within our country's political events. That, in itself, is extremely disheartening and has ultimately led to American's lack of faith in our Government.
I applaud Ron Paul for his long-held and tireless determination to strive for truth and uphold our Constitutional rights.
My children and grandchildren will bear the burdens or successes of what our country accomplishes or fails at today. Right now, I fear, if something isn't done to oversee and regulate the TPTB, including the FED, they will be dealing with the waste of our failure for a long time to come.
Watched some of the HR1207
Watched some of the HR1207 hearing today.
One of the only questions Barney Frank asked Tom Woods was about the remark he made in his opening statement. Woods said something to the effect that anyone who does not support the audit of the Fed is bought and paid for.
Frank was the only one who was offended by this or should I say the only one who made a Federal case out of it. WHY?
One other Rep who ended up looking like a fool was Watt of NC.
Has he been one of the daily calls? If not he certainly needs to be.
When are the voters in MA and NC going to see the light and vote these Reps. out? Both districts deserve better than these two are giving them.
Brian Di Amico (sp)
Good Work!
Please keep up with the phone calls to that knucklehead.
The Easy Way
The easy way is to ask - What is the FED's track record since it's inception. Depressions, recessions, bubbles and bailouts, not to mention 95% devaluation of the dollar.
The other large piece of the puzzle that most people don't understand is the fractional reserve system. This is the other hand of the FED where the bankers lend IMAGINARY money to us on a 9 to 1 ratio. This is where the real money is made and why they are so obsessively GREEDY AND CORRUPT!
Mel's Friends in Banking and Finance
I did a quick check of Mr. Watt's top campaign contributors:
(drumroll please...)
3 of the top 4 include Bank of America, Wachovia Corporation and the American Bankers Association. (Source: opensecrets.org)
Shocking, isn't it? Yet, how many voters recognize they need to be looking at this before they assimilate what any particular representative has to say?
Opensecrets.org should be bookmarked on every voter's web browser. Everyone on this site should be intimately familiar with it, it's an extraordinary tool for educating your fellow citizens to political reality.
While I was at it I checked Congressman Paul's top donors.
They are, in order:
1. US Army
2. US Navy
3. US Air Force
Saw the whole thing now.
We can see how menacing some congress members are, like Melvin Watt (D-NC), who clearly colludes with the Fed to the abandonment and neglect of his constituents' interest and their Constitutional protection of their property rights, would chew and spit out Tom Woods instead of the slippery worm, Alvarez, who never once answered any question 'substantively' as he accused Tom Woods.
Clearly this is the type of scum that the people in NC in the 12th district have to work hard to give the boot and this session is the proof of that reason.
Great work, everyone!
To quote Mel Watt, House Representative from NC: "The question is not whether there will be some kind of increased audit of the Federal Reserve, but how that will take place."
It is great to hear other representatives thanking Dr. Paul for bringing the act forward, and to hear other representatives mentioning moral hazard. It's about time!
All of the reps talk about inquiries from their constituents
It shows the importance of contacting out reps about this issue.
In the video, Representative after Representative talk about how their consituents are asking about this.
One negative: I think the hearing did not make clear what the Fed actually does: e.g., print money. So I still think that few people really know this, and so it's difficutl to mobilize support to end the Fed.
LA Times article
'Audit the Federal Reserve' bill gains steam
By Jim Puzzanghera
"It started more than a quarter-century ago as just another far-out idea from decidedly outside-the-mainstream politician Rep. Ron Paul -- allow detailed congressional audits of some of the most sensitive activities of the Federal Reserve..."
http://www.latimes.com/bu...
You -tube currently
has several links to the hearing
On you-tube search type in "HR 1207" and sort by newest.
this was the best comments. Alan Grayson asks
"does the fed reserve manipulate the stock market?"
Anyone who is undecided wants to watch this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Barney Frank's
opening remarks included this statement: "The Federal Reserve engages in considerable market activity...they buy and sell. I do believe that it is important in our [exercising] that that be made public. We don't want public entities buying and selling securities with nobody ever knowing. I also believe, however, that there needs to be some time to elapse so that their buying and selling does not have a direct market effect... " @ ~ 4 mins
Putting Grayson's question aside, the fact that the Fed is a player means those few in charge could potentially manipulate the market.
Not only that, but it seems that with this section 13-3 (discussed at some length more than once later on), those few have discretion to call into play what are considered emergency measures. Serious, emergency measures they would rather not use. The fact that this is even in the mix makes one stop and say "what's wrong with this picture?"
Am I weird?
I could watch/listen to this hearing 50 million times.
It's an inflation of commonsense!
hmmm
~
50 times ... wow ... you truly are hooked ;-)
Our Los Angeles-to-Vegas-to-Utah Ronvoy to the Rally for the Republic drove straight through to Minneapolis ~ no hotel stays, and we enthusiastically talked politics and monetary policy, aaaaaall the way to Minnesota, and aaaaaall the way back home.
It was heaven, not worrying about boring anyone around us!
lol
so true, about how nice it is to talk without boring people!
A slight correction though...it's 50 MILLION, not 50. We need an inflation of the interest-in-sound-money supply.
Earlier today I subscribed to the email-update list of the House Committee on Financial Services. If anyone's interested, here's the link:
http://financialservices....
Different camera?
Anyone notice that the camera angle is different in the c-span video?
You can't see the "protester" hold up the inflationary dollar behind Dr. Woods anymore.
I didn't see the sign,
I didn't see the sign, watching it on the linked C-Span video. But, the gentleman holding the sign was consulting with Woods at the very end of the clip. This immediately led me to believe it might have been staged by Woods.. I don't know. What I do know is that the hearing was extremely important and serious and should not have included such theatrics...
Also I think the point of
Also I think the point of the audits is to come to the conclusion that the Fed is a useless institution and is actually counterproductive towards achieving its own objectives.
The Fed lawyer is objecting
The Fed lawyer is objecting to the fact that GAO audits would affect monetary policy.... I wonder how much worse our monetary policy can get. Should we just keep letting the Fed continue to blow up these massive bubbles, and then bail out the banks when they pop again and again? Seems to me this simply amounts to a massive transfer of wealth from all of America to Wall Street.
Fed Advertisement
How about Watt's advertisement for the fed giving out their website. Boy is he in the bag or what. They must have pictures of him in women's clothes.
Thank you...
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
awesome............
Ron Paul kicks ass.........
http://electricheadroom.b...
Gems from Lew Rockwell
Pungent comments on today's hearings. Enjoy.
Watt Loves Woods:
http://www.lewrockwell.co...
How Sweet It Is:
http://www.lewrockwell.co...
Watts and Frank should get fired
A part from the slimey false creature of Alvarez who appeared instead of Bernake,Watts and Frank should be fired. How much money the FED shovels up their ass to behave like that? 6 digit, 7 digit? Anyway the printing is for free!!!!!
Their offices should be
Their offices should be flooded with pink slips saying just that..YOU'RE FIRED lol
I really like questions that
I really like questions that come from Alan Grayson.
Is anyone else just totally
Is anyone else just totally creeped out about Alvarez's demeaner?
question why this must be flagged
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Thanks for this
Just finished watching it. I can only urge others to watch it.
Fascinating!
Barney Frank doth protest far to much over the bought and paid for comment by Woods. Me thinks now that Frank was slapping Woods down because that remark resembled himself a little to close for comfort. While Woods and Paul were obviously in cahoots as students of Austrian economics and friends, Frank and Watts appeared to be in cahoots in some sinister fashion. I really loathed the way both Frank and especially Watts took Woods to task over semantics without ever allowing him space for an answer. From the getgo I thought these two characters, Frank and Watts, are wasting so much time on the record making long drawn out diatribes about absolutely nothing except their egos. I kept wondering about Watts' intelligence during his first spiel and whether he had the mental capacity to understand the subject and why he was even speaking on the issue. Then he came out with his agenda in favor of "Fed independence" . Later during his crazy admonishment of Woods, I couldn't help but think these dopes are really gonna get it in the blogs over at Lew Rockwell. I guess I should mosey over there and see what is being said.
Watts..........
Watts=douche
"cuz I might be missing out"
Frank added, upon questioning Woods' "bought and paid for" comment. Surely, he openly jests.
"I really loathed the way
"I really loathed the way both Frank and especially Watts took Woods to task over semantics without ever allowing him space for an answer."
Dr. Paul does this to his adversaries all the time. While it's irritating when you don't agree, don't you think it's fair for any participant to use their time to make a statement?
"Dr. Paul does this to his
"Dr. Paul does this to his adversaries all the time."
Uh.. I've never seen Dr. Paul interrupt anyone that was trying to provide a case, unless the case was way off track from the question.
Please provide some footage or some type of evidence of this, because I've never seen Dr. Paul step out of line like that.
Agreed, Paul has more class.
Agreed, Paul has more class. Way more.
Still, he does use his time to make statements and he does interrupt witnesses in order to keep them on the path he wants them to go. See page 109 of "End the Fed" for an example.
I don't see a problem with it. I'm sure glad Paul has been able to use such tactics.
I concede that RP uses
I concede that RP uses question time for long winded explanations about his viewpoint about the issue at hand, but I have yet to see him ask a question then rudely interrupt the person while they are answering. If he interrupts it might be to keep them on topic but not to derail them from answering at all.
I'm glad they were rude.
I'm glad they were rude. Everyone can see their true nature. I was actually starting to like Frank in the beginning when he was looking over at Paul all the time, as if seeking his approval.
First, Watts sarcastically thanks Woods for the political advise, then Frank tells Woods that he should leave strong rhetoric to the politicians who get paid for it! When they show that kind of arrogance does it even matter if Woods answers or not?
Bottom line: That hearing damaged the Fed. Clips of it are all over the place now.
I agree...
I agree...
exactly.
exactly.
Download?
Does anyone know how I can download this hearing?
Use Firefox
With some plug-in like flashgot or video downloader. Real easy and free
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Michelle Bachmann only read
Michelle Bachmann only read half of meltdown? I thought I remember hearing that she started reading it several months ago, why would she stop halfway? I mean, it is only 150 pages and Tom Woods has the easiest style of prose that i have ever seen for a historian discussing serious issues. It took me about 3 hours to read and i am not even that fast of a reader. I am happy that she is trying, but if she really wants to get it she should try harder.
Sometimes, you don't have to
Sometimes, you don't have to read the entire message to "get" it... I tend to think that may have been the case...
What district do you represent congressman?
Maybe she has more constituents or something.
You raise a great point.
You raise a great point. Suppose that she had 1 hour out of the day that she could devote to one of the two following activities:
1. Read more in order to have better credibility and be more prepared to defend the free market.
or
2. Listen to requests for earmarks and other grievances submitted by her constituents.
I submit to you that #1 would be more beneficial in the long run in her quest to faithfully represent the interests of her constituents.