Open Thread: The Virtues of a Disorganized Resistance
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Sat, 10/10/2009 - 11:39
Thanks to Danielle for sending this along. Thoughts and opinions on the content welcome:
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American opposition movements have always focused on the notion of organization. It has always been their goal to organize the people. Their hope has been to wield the collective power of the disaffected, downtrodden, and exploited as a single unit against the concentrated power of the ruling class. While their hope has been noble, their methods have been foolish. Organized resistance has many drawbacks. These drawbacks have seldom been discussed by the opposition. I believe that the only effective resistance is a completely disorganized, decentralized, and leaderless opposition.
While, on the face of it, this claim may impress you as absurd. Of course it seems absurd! It is counterintuitive. Never the less, it is the ONLY method of resistance that will work within American society. I will explain why organized resistance has never worked in the United States. In addition, I will promulgate a new formula for effective resistance.
Why has organized resistance failed in the USA?
There are many reasons for the failure of organized resistance. The two primary causes of failure are intimately connected to the culture of the United States and the political system laid down by our nation's founding fathers.
The Cultural Cause
Americans, culturally, are anarchists. Continue
Disorganized:
: lacking coherence, system, or central guiding agency : not organized
Our coherence, system, and central guiding agencies are truth and love.
Hence, we are not disorganized, we are decentralized.....
.... or even, deorganized.
Decentralized
Decentralized should be the word used here, not disorganized.
"The Great Spirit made us all--he made my skin red, and yours white; he placed us on earth and intended that we should live differently from each other." Petalesharo
I can agree with this to an extent.
There is no reason for a top heavy organization. Local groups and smaller units can hold more sway in what they do. It still requires an organized effort centrally even if the weight of the activity and rule making is not centralized.
What I mean is that the local codes should cover more of how people want to live their daily lives than a central code. That gives people more direct control over their lives. But the central code should still exist to protect those within each group. A combined agreement on basics of a society can exist centrally with the power being more invested locally.
However, this is not disorganization, anarchy or any of that lot.
Very true
I'm surprised at all the hate on this topic
-Ron Paul's moneybombs were all disorganized
-the entire Ron Paul revolution was disorganized
-the tea parties were disorganized
-the march on DC was disorganized
-the townhall meetings were disorganized
-gahndi's approach was disorganized
-MLK's movement was disorganized
-the peace movement in the 60's was disorganized
The neocons have attempted and FAILED for the past couple of years to organize the thousands of different movements into one main, organized movement. It's like taking the american revolutionary guerilla fighters and lining them up like british redcoats-they'll be mowed down if they submit.
Every Man Did That Which Was Right In His Own Eyes - Book of Judges 21:25
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Yes, they may have been
Yes, they may have been disorganized to an extent, but at some point there will need to be a true show of force that doesn't just dissolve into yesterday's news. A sustained nonviolent uprising. It must be militant in nature, but unarmed and unwavering... wait for them to commit the first atrocity, then the public will be on our side.
At least you can acknowledge they were disorganized
Now if we can just recognize it's probably the best way to catch the NWO offguard. When ever you challenge NWO numbskulls the VERY first thing they ask is "Who is in charge?", It happened to Trevor Lyman and guess what he said
"I played my part, but I'm not in charge"
-that's the essence of the disorganized group and why it's impossible to beat. There's no leader to decapitate (blackmail, pay off, etc.) and what's happening all over america.
Whether you are against it or for it, it's the organic movement that's growing and there's really no stopping it. Don't jump to some armed resistance movement, we've got people to take care of first and that means growing food and supplying a sound money or exchange system. Why shoot them when we can beat them?
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So what we need are farmers
So what we need are farmers and a commodity currency. We could buy up cheap land and create independent communities. If we are successful, the outside world will take notice and push for similar changes.
Of course they will still try to tax and regulate us to death even if we do not use any of their wonderful services.
Even so, look at what the Amish were able to accomplish, and most of us don't have the hang-ups about technology usage and strict religious guidelines that they have.
The key is to create communities that are prosperous, open to all, and locally governed with true adherence to the Constitution.
disorganized?
Did you every participate in one of those activities?
Did you ever organize some group of individuals for a common purpose?
Those actions were all absolutely organized.
The truth is a superior organization is what wins the day, not an under-organized one.
Andrew Jackson, who was the central bank's biggest foe, ran his campaign on new political organization. His competitor for the presidency acknowledged that Jackson won by a superior organization.
As I mentioned below in several comments. Anarchy and disorganization is the complete opposite of the tenets of a republic.
Anarchism as a philosophy has so many interpretations, anarchists can never agree what it really is.
It should be given a quick and convenient death. Never to trouble those that wish to forge by effort and determination and organization a better existence.
Yes I did do several things on those list
And guess what? They were all disorganized. No supreme commander told me to do anything and I initiated things that no one told me to initiate.
You either didn't read the article, or don't grasp the meaning.
No one made anyone show up at DC on the 12th (unlike organized groups like the SEIU who pays people to show up), or pay money to Ron Paul moneybombs. The call went out over the internet, it was up to an initially unorganized movement to get together and make it happen. Individuals, not ordered or compelled or organized in anyway did this.
Organizations need to file taxes, are easily infiltrated and die if they aren't funneled money from something. Disorganized groups grow due to their morals, not due to money.
You people think disorganized groups is a euphemism for anarchy. Anarchy is a form of government, disorganized groups is a means to protest the government. No one in this article ever said anything about anarchy or changing government to that form, they advocated protesting based on a disorganized yet connected mode which has proven, ever since American history has started to be the greatest mode of success.
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Yes I read the article and it is based in anarchist ideology
The author discusses the cultural cause of American ideals being anarchist. The author then builds the argument on this cause.
If you participated in a Ron Paul meetup group then you would know it was organized. That there were regional meetup groups and coordinators for each. People were given things to do and actions were often coordinated.
There is nothing wrong with individuals such as your self initiating things. God knows we need more people like that but it doesn't mean that all efforts should go without organization.
In order to have a money bomb you have to build a website. That my friend alone is a form of organization. True no one has forced people to become active but without some level of organization it wouldn't work. You mentioned D.C. Well, how did you find out about it? Through some communication channel. A communication channel directed is a form of organization not disorganization.
I think that some people are confusing disorganization with grass roots. Grass roots is about everyday citizens getting involved in some activity, not paid, often not rewarded, but purposeful. They are never told to do it, they just do.
You seem concerned with the concept of having leaders or people telling you what to do.
I have seen many younger people who also don't like to be told what to do talk about collective leaderless groups - where everyone is like everyone else - no leaders.
Well, in the end that ideal proves to be fallacy by a bunch of infighting and then someone having to moderate message boards etc. In other words someone ALWAYS ends up telling someone else what to do or how to act - wallah a leader. Unfortunately the leaders of those groups promote an ideology that says nobody is better than anybody else and beckons people to be the same or simply spot a target and give the command "attack".
Lastly the assumption in the article that no organized effort produced results baffles me and I don't know how the author ever came to that conclusion. It is an asserted opinion and no more.
"Let all things be done
"Let all things be done decently, and in order". 1Cor 14:40.
I'm assuming that those who promote anarchy have never read a Bible, because nothing could be more obvious than the fact that God is a God of order and organization. The Jewish nation was well organized. The Apostolic church was well organized. The sun, moon, stars-- with their associated systems, all move in perfect order. "The heavens declare the glory [character] of God". People have looked up at the night sky hundreds of time, but they "still can't see the light". Everything in heaven is perfectly organized, and yet their is perfect freedom. Even Satan and all his confederate angels are well organized, and he delights in organizing evil, and DISorganizing that which is good, for he understands the futility of disorganization and confusion.
Organization is not evil. Corrupt principles are evil, and when these corrupt principles are infused into organization, THEN THAT organization becomes evil. Some cannot discern this, and throw the baby out with the bath water. We should return to the good principles which were originally captured in the Constitution by the framers of our country. That originally required an organized and concerted effort, and so it does now. The required the formation of judges, legislators and executives, and associated systems, as it does now. That required a coordinated battle against powerful evil forces, as it does now. THANK GOD that our forefathers were NOT unorganized anarchists. THANK GOD they forged the finest government this side of the cross, and paid for it with their blood.
Those who buy into Anarchist arguements have been caught hook, line and sinker. The elite of this world are well organized. They realize that anarchy is impotent, but are more than happy when it is pawned off on those who might otherwise be a threat (IF they were organized).
Wake up!
A higher order looks like disorder
I agree strongly with this article. And I am a Christian. I am not an anarchist.
You are over reacting to what the author is saying. Man tends to over organize. God's order is much freer and more organic than man's. Have you noticed that churches that strongly emphasize 1Cor 14:40 tend to be dead? Man has squeezed the life of them with religious *organization*.
The 1st American revolution was organic, and unorganized. The 2nd will be too --if it succeeds.
Have you ever studied fractals? They look disorganized up close. Take a step back and recognize God's order. Don't try to impose human order. That will fail.
--donald
--donald
Good points, but I don't
Good points, but I don't believe we can just restore the Constitution and all our problems will be solved. Obviously there was some flaw in our original government that allowed corruption to enter it. Perhaps that flaw was in introducing democracy into the Federal Government. I think it is foolish that the founders even pretended they were democratic... Even on a local level, it can be tricky to implement a democracy. Because they simply mentioned it, it made people demand more of it. They think "things are going bad... this is SUPPOSED to be a democracy... so let's FIX it and become more democratic." I think this is a big reason how we got into this mess.
The good news is, we can undue the damage of democracy by using what democracy we have. Unfortunately we can't buy as many votes as the elite, but that simply means we have to be more creative.
Yes you can
can restore the constitution. That doesn't mean everything will be alright. It simply means that the basics tenets of our society can be re-established. It also means undoing all the actions that have been taken against those concepts.
Our society has never been and is not a purely democratic one. We are a republic which is different than a democracy. The constitution is the main document in which the republic is based upon.
Democracy is rule by majority. A republic is society governed by basic beliefs and ideals with an emphasis on individual liberties. That society uses agreements to promote general welfare but also to protect the individual from the majority as well. A pure Democracy is majority rule in all occasions and all the time.
True you have democratic processes by majority votes of the congress. However, they are still bound by and are supposed to be governed by the constitution which holds the republic together and is supposed to reign supreme over conventional democracy.
Anarchy is the anti-thesis of a republic. It promotes no safeguards for the individual and does not protect that person from any other individual or group of individuals.
Any person supporting what Ron Paul and others like him support should have nothing to do with anarchism. It should be purged from any discussion about liberty and patriotism.
Hows that Fantasy world working out for you...
Maybe im not in the Heartland of the U.S. so i don't understand where you all get your optimism from. Many constantly complain about how dumbed down and stupid Americans are. How we live in a bubble and all we care about is American Idol, Football, Dancing with the stars and etc... So is it these People that you complain about that you expect to raise up? All these protests, all the uprising, its all been taken to account by the elite, Most of the people that come out are FOX news Neocon Bush Loving people... We, have let ourselves sink to much, there is no comming out victorious at the present rate. Im not being pessamistic, just Real... Those who think we will win and they will fight to preserve liberty think that Freedom= Owning a Gun. So as long as they don't go after your guns they can go after everything else...huh? There going after your FARMS, FOOD, CHILDREN, EDUCATION, LABOR, SPEECH,WWW, PRIVACY, FREEDOM and now your HEALTH. but thats ok, because you still have a gun. The fact that we are disorganized is just more reason to believe that nothing will be accomplished on a peaceful level. The MAjor changes that have occured in the U.S. have been from Peaceful Organized Movements. Not to say there were not any spouts of violence, there was, but there wasn't any real combat. Now unOrganied Gorrilla combat can be very effective but I highly doubt that will happen. I would think that many believe that the government is keeping Tabs on us here at the DP and other sites. Maybe they have a list compiled, maybe not... but the difference between Gorrilla unorganied combat here than that in Afghan and Iraq is Surveilance. I don't know if you have noticed but theyre Camaras up everywhere you go... Even in a recession and a huge budget deficit they managed to put up 1000's all over My City. These people are not scared, there not shaking in their boots, it's all going according to plan and nothing has been able to stop them... There just putting the pawns in place.
We have given up to much already... The President under executive orders, can basically take over every Sector of the U.S. My guess another False Flag event more dramatic than 9/11. something that will scare the daylights out of all Americans and have the masses give up whatever freedom they had left in the name of Safety. Coorporation of the people to follow the state will be like never before and those that refuse will be vilinized 100x what we are today. So instead of Fighting with your fellow American against the state you will be Fighting against your Countryman as well as the State.
The Image of fighting for the causes our founders did in the revolutionary war is a noble one. But our founders were not Idiots. They left english turf in search of a better life, You think they would have stood a chance trying to Revolutionize England? For all those that quote Braveheart, you think William Wallace would have had his army if instead of Swords the English had Machine Guns.
I'm not saying to tuck your tail in and Give up by any means. But if you want to stand a chance you have to be able to properly and realisticly analyze the situation. If you want a peaceful Revolution, We need to be alot more organized. If Violence is what it comes down to than you will Die. This is a Police state, The weapons Tech, The surveilance, The Snitch Lists, The destruction of the Constitution, Its over here in the U.S.... The only hope we have is a peaceful Organized movement and it needs to grow exponentially. If we can get Schiff, Rand, Kokesh, in there in 2010 and convince Ron to run 2012 than this will be the best chance we ever get...
interesting article--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
since I'm not much for organization--
this is intriguing--
for myself it is knowing and speaking the truth. I do try to "enlighten" those I care about--
one word at a time
one person at a time
for those who aren't religious, Christians believe that the "truth shall set you free"--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
PTB Organized Chaos
TPTB(The powers that be) are a very "Organized" group. They indeed do produce "Chaos" then manufacture it to become the peoples or citizens "problem". After production it then becomes well thought out possible citizen "reactions."what TPTB analyst expect(Example: Las Vegas Casino...The winning odds are in favor of the house & not the individual bet) . TPTB then come up with the "Solution" that they "Bet" that the average dummied down american will accept. With this said, what TPTB didn't count on was an Actual "Unorganized" Chaos INTO order....by TTPTB(The True Powers That Be) AKA : We The People. I AM Proud to be among the "Unorganized Chaotic" R3VoLuTiOn! We WILL Prevail. :)
The Hunter
A Hunter is walking through the woods with two rounds in his shotgun.
He turns a corner and faces an on coming grizzly bear.
He raises his gun and unloads one shot to the head and then one shot to the heart.
The grizzly is dead.
He reloads his shotgun with two more rounds and continues.
The Hunter then stumbles over a huge hive of bees.
Tens of thousands of bees begin stinging the Hunter.
He frantically unloads his weapon killing 50 bees with each round.
As his hands, eyes and throat begin to swell, he is unable to reload, run or breathe.
The Hunter is dead.
Question?
Who is the Hunter?
Who is the Grizzly?
Who are the Bees?
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I suggest the owner will shoot himself
as darkness is self destructive.
These people will blow themselves up.
Unify
What "organized resistance"?
This article is drivel.
He explains why Americans have difficulty organizing, and he is correct.
Which is why the collectivists (lead by a well-organized, ideologically cohesive conspiracy) have been able to kick our butts for so long.
His solution is fantasy.
A swarm of libertarian locusts is going to rise up and simultaneously stick it to "the man"? Dream on.
But it does make nice reading, especially if you don't want to do the hard work it takes to educate, organize, and motivate a brainwashed public.
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Great Post!!!! Bump.
I do wish to add my two cents ...
The number one reason why a disorganized resistance will lead to freedom and the only way to acheive freedom is through disorganized resistance is because ...
An organized, armed, violent, and successful resistance is either unlikely or impossible.
If we choose violence ...
Then we will lose.
If we respond to power with power, even if we win, we lose.
If our goal is to win, we lose.
If our goal is to defeat our opposition, we lose.
To ensure victory, our only goal must be to spread the message.
PERIOD !!!!!
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Thank you, rhino...in the presence of truth, the lie falls
"they" will bring about their own demise.
Darkness is self destructive.
As more of us learn the truth and live it....the lie will be exposed and will no longer have power over humanity.
Your post is all about truth. Thank you.
Unify
I tend to agree - In the words of Rowdy Roddy Piper
Once you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
I do think that this is a very long road though, and I doubt we will notice any real changes in the next 30-50 years, save some unexpected crisis.
The men in power have been creating and running
the opposition for 300 years.
Change how you think about our world.
Your core assumption is that we live in a moral world that is trying to be free.
We live in an immoral world that is controlled by a small group of immoral men. They own all the central banks, they have controlled the media for centuries.\
Long ago they learned that they must control the opposition and they do.
Expose the owners of the fed. Do it on your own. Just tell people that you know the truth. It is easy. No guns necessary. No rallies. No leaders. No movements.
Ask people to learn to think for themselves and tell them the truth.
All groups are controlled one way or the other. When a person starts to tell the truth without needing some leader telling them how to think war will end.
Until then, we talk about failed attempts.
Unify
300 years?
try longer than 2000 years. think about that for a second.
Lawl dark ages.
CHA-CHING!
CHA-CHING!
Disorganized resistance is more in harmony with Nature and
G-d.
If we are true to ourselves these forces have a way of animating through each of us. I prefer disorganized resistance. It necessarily makes each person a leader in their own sovereign right doesn't it?
I am totally ineffectual in an 'organized' group. I observe myself and see how stifling it is for me. One of my greatest beefs is this insistence to use Roberts rules. I hate Roberts rules with a passion. How many times was I made to feel like a complete idiot by making a comment or asking a question and I was interrupted with, "Is that a point of order or a motion?" People need to be free to speak their minds and hearts.
It is clearly a mechanism of control isn't it? Plausible deniability when people argue, "it keeps order in meetings". BS it does! Its control to silence those who can see through the ruse.
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Lawl hey saying "nature is best" is a logical fallacy...
CHA-CHING!
CHA-CHING!
Harmony with nature?
"It necessarily makes each person a leader in their own sovereign right doesn't it?"
No it doesn't. Leaders are leaders because they LEAD.
You say rules in meetings are bad. I can envision the kinds of meetings you are suggesting where everyone talks over everyone else and no can hear anything through the din. I have also witnessed those types of meetings with a group of individuals and those groups have a name - mobs.
We should not confuse bad rules with rules altogether.
Rules are agreements on how we conduct ourselves. When I teach my kids about listening to others instead of talking over them, I am teaching them a rule. Basic manners to others are rules.
Yes, rules can seem restraining when you want to have the freedom to speak your mind. Yes, they can be overused, abused etc to a ridiculous level. But why are you speaking?
You are doing this to create an impression upon another - to air a grievance, or to tell someone what you think should be done. But if you do this, and you can't be heard because no one is paying attention as they are busy speaking their own minds, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of talking in the first place?
Pardon my direct communication here but I feel strongly when someone promotes this anarchist type philosophy.
Disorganization although seeming to be more natural doesn't make anyone more effective and to me borders on a form of apathy. Instead of changing the system that you feel is constricting or troublesome you say do away with it all. Just let everything go and it will turn out alright - nonsense.
bgodley, you are right. I was airing a sense of frustration and
a sense of how ineffectual meetings can be at times. Of course rules are important. We have taught our own children good rules of conduct.
I am sorry if I misdirected anyone with my own frustration.
I do however agree that the American culture is based upon an 'anarchic spirit', but in the interest of peace, government was formed to try to maintain that balance. Of course today, its a mess. The collectivization of America is so prevalent it can be overwhelming.
During the revolutionary war, there was no opportunity for 'meetings' with British spies everywhere. People had to trust their neighbors. They had messengers who would go from place to place to pass on important information. That is all they could do.
Right now we are still in what is left of a 'peaceful' mode of possibility to reclaim what is ours. But if push were to come to shove, we would have to trust one another and this would necessarily involve personal discernment.
It is something all of us seem to be sharpening up on these days, don't you think?
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The article about Americans being anarchists is dead wrong.
Americans in no way, shape or form are Anarchists.
The anarchy philosophy has as many interpretations as there are grains of sand. No one in that field can agree on what it is. Which is kind of ironic since anarchy is about lack of coordination and agreement.
The author of this article is just giving their own personal view of what it is and tries to then marry that up to American ideals.
The most accepted concept is that Anarchy is a lack of government and social regulation. The author uses statements that characterize American ideals and also SEEM to fit within Anarchist philosophy but they don't. This article is very misleading.
American ideals are all about organization.
If you remember this country in essence started from Plymouth and the pilgrims seeking a different life. They organized and created their agreements in the Mayflower compact.
The revolution was fought by an army even if loosely originated and was led by George Washington. Absolutely they organized and had messengers and meetings.
The Constitution is a document of agreements and rules all organized and agreed upon by the constitutional congress. This was an ORGANIZED RESISTANCE and the author of this article is so off base it is not even funny.
Anarchist philosophy has no place whatsoever in american republic philosophy.
It should be quickly and summarily chucked out of this group, buried in a deep pit and disposed of by anyone who supports the same causes that Ron Paul does.
When you think of the overall picture
Congress is an organized body but, when they want to push legislation through without the people's input - they willfully stay disorganized.
If we stay disorganized, they don't know who to go after to "stop" the so called madness. It's kind of like giving them a taste of their own medicine.
They come after freedom & liberty from all ends at once and people think it is impossible to stop their tyranny. That is why I've advocated - pick your causes but fight for the ultimate goal - freedom & liberty.
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Erroneous in concept and premise
Anarchism in its concept believes in no governmental social structure.
Yes, that seems to coincide with the tenets of libertarianism. However liberty is the idea of promoting personal freedom and choice. The ability to lead your life unhindered by the actions of others.
But only to a point.
Liberty is not liberty in a loose fabric of social "units". Examples would include native African culture. Warring tribes have historically murdered each other under the concept they were all exercising their own will.
In an anarchy state there exists little to no agreement. Agreement is a binding force not just for societies but for friends, families etc. Without agreement their is no communication. Without agreement their is fighting, criminality, and no justice.
In addition, the idea that there have been no successful resistance organizations is completely false. Neocons and their ilk formed their own "resistance" organization to the traditional values of American liberty, yet one could argue they have been successful in promoting their agenda.
A money bomb, a tea party, a political rally, these are all organized events put on by some type of organized group. Without the organization these events and any success they garner would simply not exist.
In my view, anarchy is a rebellion against fears or concerns that are often imagined. One can confuse a problem today with a problem, even personal ones, they had a long time ago. Then under this guise one could lump in many problems that have existed and assign this to an organized, governed society.
In a properly organized society individual liberties are protected and one can live their lives yet not worry about others infringing on theirs. In a non-organized society there exists no justice, no recourse for wrongs, no one willing to listen when something happens you may consider harmful or incorrect. I don't know about you but I don't want anything to do with that society.
From a strictly scientific perspective...
From a strictly scientific perspective, nature will always choose a state with high entropy (disorganization) over one with low entropy. Disorganized states are more stable and require less energy to maintain...so in other words, its more natural to be disorganized. :)
(Looks like I am not going to vacuum today afterall!)
Nature
If you believe in the concept that men are simply animals existing in nature then that concept will hold true. And all natural events that occur, men will simply be subject to.
However, men are not animals in this sense. Men have an ability to be causative in their environments. To bend and form them to their ideals, good or bad. Although still governed by certain natural principles like needing oxygen, mankind can still effect change in its environment and create the type of existence it wants.
True, disorganized states require less energy to maintain. But isn't that what a large part of living is about? Using energy to create and maintain an existence.
When we were all kids we had a ton of energy and never worried about conserving it. It was only when we got beat up a bit and got older did we worry about conserving our energies.
Yes, if you want to truly conserve your energy, just let the government take care of you and by no means should you expend the energy to help another person.
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I support this article
What is the greatest threat to NWO? Look to what they are destroying to see what they are afraid of. Those who seek to have total control are terrified of THE INDEPENDENT INDIVIDUAL, those human beings who think for themselves, who do NOT expect others to be responsible for their welfare, and literally DO NO NEED THEM! They fear the power of the individual ACTING upon their own enlightened self-interest (to draw upon Rand). Nothing will stop the machine faster than people everywhere stepping out of the planned society and creating their own free societies large, small and individual. I don't know about you but when I go a RP rally or a street action I FEEL FREE, that is because we are uniting under the banner of liberty.
The ultimate planned society has speedily gone forward because the rapid advance of technology. This is just what Aldous Huxley warned about in Brave New World Revisited, THE OVER ORGANIZATION of man. The counterbalance to a high-tech global government is the information age it has inadvertently created. The military designed the internet, and now the internet is used to expose the rotting core of governments worldwide!
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson
Viral
Leadership should be a message or idea ( not a person ) and should be coaxed and preserved so that it bears fruit by way of numbers. Messages and ideas that are irrefutable will always plant deep roots but sometimes a lot of patience is needed for the viral effect to occur.
There is some merit to what the writer is saying
Leaders and organizers can be corrupted or taken out. But the entire notion of having leaders has become ridiculous. My life experience tells me that 99% the people who want to be leaders are in it for the wrong reasons. It seems that most fields of experience in US culture end up being contaminated by petty, personal, egotistical, arrogant, childish behavior at the higher levels of the organization structure. Energy gets wasted, the productive people become tired of the BS and eventually abandon ship.
I like the notion of disorganization with respect to being the opposite of what has been done in the past. It's not really disorganized though, I liken it to the behavior of bacteria or specialized cells in our bodies. There's not some bossy "leader" cell in there telling all those other cells what to do, those cells know exactly what to do. Those cells are us. I know some people like to work it out by talking about it, god bless them every one, but when the time comes I trust that we will know exactly what to do.
beautifully said.
as usual. :)
An intrinsic motive (e.g. liberty) causes spontaneous...
organization to emerge. The organization isn't top-down, it's 'grass-roots' - bottom-up. Atempts to crush a resistance that spontaneously organized merely atomizes it to a cellular-level that's ever more difficult to extinguish.
See "Liberation by Internet
Mises Daily by Gennady Stolyarov II | Posted on 9/19/2008 12:00:00 AM"
http://mises.org/story/3060
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
This is natural-law in action. Tyranical authority attempts to enforce conformity is ultimately futile and self-destructive.
I believe the disorganized nonviolence
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
will eventually lead to organized violence.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
I think both types
of organizations have their place provided they only engage in peaceful resistance.
Here is an interesting link about leaderless organizations and how they might function.
The Starfish and the Spider: The unstoppable power of leaderless organizations
http://www.starfishandspider.com/preview/index.html
That first chapter was very
interesting, thanks
Agree but Disagree
Great Points, We need many Facets to a movement... the thing is getting this movement to have a common goal... They concept of no central command is superior because if one Facet gets Taken out there are still others that operate independently but it only works if you have a common goal... With central organization this commonality is much more visible and success alot more recognized. Your assumptions about most Americans is totally False.. Your to closed in to Repubs or Liberty Minded people...Check out the Coast lines of the U.S. where most of the population resides and you will see the way you describe "Most Americans" is more a Minority of Americans.. I would say an Unorganied resistance would work 60 years ago but with the weapons tech, it just makes it alot easier to be taken out...
At the end of the day...
We have expended a lot of effort, and have certainly impacted many thoughts and influenced many concerned.
All we can do is walk the walk and influence those physically around us...all my grandiose plans have been shot down for good reason.
To be secure in our own thoughts, principles, and patriotism is the best place for any of us to be...it will rub off on others who will continue to be woken up through avenues both similar and familiar to us; or by crushing economic circumstances as this financial/moral "correction" progresses.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself - and too many people in this movement are getting rich off spreading fear! I've frankly have gotten sick of it - thankfully I don't have to give an answer for them!
I am tired! I have been politically active for two whole years now since Ron Paul emerged, and I even ran for state representative third party; and I am a better, wiser man for having stepped out of my comfort zone and for having invited public ridicule and criticism unto myself for espousing my personal beliefs and opinions.
Disorganization makes perfect sense!
www.michiganpep.org
I Don't Agree....
Because if you think about why the Ron Paul movement was so successful, it was because of the organization of meetup groups, and of course the leader of the message - Ron Paul himself. Take away the organization through message boards, meetup groups and sites like this and everyone is scattered and un-inspired to do anything. Also why would anyone do anything if Ron Paul didn't step up? No leader, no message, no action.
The largest un-organized anarchy groups always fail if they try to do things like overthrow governments. But if they have a leader lined up things usually work in their favor. A good example is the people power movement in the Philippines. It was peaceful and they had someone they wanted in power - and they made it happen. Anarchy otherwise is always a failure unless you are the dictator.
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http://www.cafepress.com/RPAUL2012
Decentralized
What you are describing is "spontaneous order." It was not centrally planned and organized, it was "leaderless," with "leaderless" in this case meaning, so many leaders that no one of them was in charge of the whole.
These groups formed and morphed, and grew and disbanded, and reformed, and started new groups. There was no campaign manager in charge of it.
This is what Dr. Paul has been saying about the free market and the marketplace of ideas: freedom works.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
What really was (is) the Ron Paul movement?
First and foremost, it is a loosely organized attempt to gain control of the political apparatus. If you read the full piece, the author describes the two political parties as criminal enterprises, so essentially the Ron Paul movement is an attempt to throw out the old crime bosses and replace them with those we think are a little more inclined to follow the rules in the Constitution.
I have no doubt that the only reason that Ron Paul has not been killed is that he was viewed as impotent, and a convenient means to characterize the opposition as loony. The anti government movement is a statistical aberration; less than 5% of the population; meaningless; little threat, and already as can be seen, the Tea Parties are being co-opted by the established powers.
I think this piece is absolutely on target, and is probably as much a description of the future as advice on how to approach opposition. We are not facing a peaceful future. I don't see a political solution to the present system of plunder and control, but I do see significantly increasing human suffering as a result of economic contraction associated with the collapse of the industrial age for want of energy to fuel it. And certainly those in power are not about to voluntarily end the protection racket from which they and their cronies prosper at the expense of the majority.
I regard the Bin Laden group and the Oklahoma City bombers as enemies of both freedom and of the US, so don't misunderstand my point that they proved what the author said about low cost destruction aimed at high value targets working very well for disorganized groups. How many people do you think were involved in either of these two attacks? As far as I have heard, only two were prosecuted for the Oklahoma City bombing, and there were maybe only one or two more possibly involved.
I think that at some point conditions will become so intolerable that citizens will undertake these type low cost attacks against high value targets, and that this will spawn similar sabotage, and because these events arise from unconnected "cells" they will be very difficult to identify and control. Assassinations, small scale raids, sabotage, bombings and the like are the violent stock and trade of disorganized revolution.