CRASH!

   

Let's start shutting down cities, counties, and states! Here's how!

From an e-mail I received:

It is a suit brought by Rodney-Dale; Class (and Carl; Weston), both Private Attorney's General, with proper credentials, on behalf of the American "People" against the corporation known as the UNITED STATES. It is for fraud, RICO, genocide and some other charges.

It took some years and a lot of trial and error to locate the particular court in which to enter it so as to clearly stand with action against the UNITED STATES (as a corporation NOT a government !) and effect some kind of action for Remedy. Wait til you see the Remedy sought ! Locating the court was a bitch, to put it mildly, but they found it and even got a little help from some of those in the court infrastructure ! You may notice that it's in a Civil mode right now, but that will most likely change after enough "persons" in the court and Gov read it - and it should end up in Criminal mode. That's the way they had to file in to get it assigned a judge and on the docket ! Some of the PDFs didn't come out as well they could have...

The paperwork that was filed is attached as multiple PDFs. Understand that it was written by two non-lawyers and is a bit rough, and does ramble, but all the charges will probably stand ! And, they have the option to revise the paperwork (correct the grammar, spelling, etc.) at a later date.

This is potentially monumental, and may have never been tried before. We're not sure. But these two guys, and a lot of our study group can quote chapter and verse of the codes and statutes to the infrastructure and be taken seriously which is evident by the fact that it was
actually accepted into the court.

This filing is only the start of a long slog and it may not go anywhere, but Rod and Carl are in it for the long haul.

As of 9.25.09 the case seems to be proceeding well! And, the Defendant's are technically in DEFAULT !

It seems that the Defendant's didn't bother to properly read that the case was directed against the UNITED STATES d/b/a corporation and, therefore, dragged their feet in responding !

And, as Rod says: Don't try any of this unless you know the Codes, rules, regulations and Statutes backward and forward, oh, and the rules of court, etc., etc. Also, to follow Rod's case here's the link to the court...

https://www.dccourts.gov/pa

Sometimes the court system doesn't easily display the dockets...
Name search... Last name: DALE First name: RODNEY

The link goes to the case search section. Use the top search in the menu to the left.

Only docket entries are displayed. This court doesn't use the PACER system which let's us electronically see all filed papers. Too bad ! Info could get to us a lot sooner if they were part of the PACER system.

Also...It's funny, but he filed the case using Rodney-Dale; Class ...but they dropped his last name and converted his middle name to his last name as you'll see. Bizarre, to say the least !........end of e-mail.

Put YOUR city, county, and state on notice!! Modify any or all of the following notices to suit your purpose and mail or publish them in your local paper! Let’s see how many public officials want to assume “personal” liability for their jobs? Then report back here so we can see the results.

City Secretary,

Please be advised that the “Emergency Notice” include with this mailing is not a joke!

Also, be advised that this mailing has placed duty and obligation upon you to see to it that this Notice is brought to the attention of the Mayor, all the Council members and any other person interested for your Municipal Corporation.

Certified Mail # _______________________

EMERGENCY NOTICE

To all private for profit and not for profit corporations doing business in these several states of America:

You are hereby put on emergency notice that suit has been filed in the Superior Court in Washington D.C. charging the “UNITED STATES” corporation with numerous violations of law.

Court action has been filed under Case # 2009 CA 005391 B in the Superior Court of District of Columbia at: 500 Indiana Ave. NW # 5520, Washington D.C., 20001.

All corporations in these several states hold incorporated status directly from each of the 50 states which in turn hold its’ incorporated status directly from the “UNITED STATES “ corporation being the Defendant in the case above stated.

Suit seeks as remedy in part, invalidation of Defendant’s corporate Charter therefore placing all corporate charters in question in this country. This being the case, all corporate activity in the land must be stayed until a decision in said case stated above has been determined and made of record.

All courts including the United States Supreme Court have been named in the suit. Therefore, no appeals by Defendant will be possible if adverse judgment is handed down against it.

Your corporation can contact the court in which suit has been filed for verification of this Notice at (202) 220-2200.

YOU ARE HEREBY PUT ON NOTICE TO CEASE AND DESIST ALL CORPORATE ACTIVITY UNTIL A DECISION IS MADE IN THE CASE ABOVE MENTIONED!

IF YOU DISREGARD THIS NOTICE AFTER RECEIPT THEREOF, ANY CORPORATE ACTIVITY SUBSEQUENT WILL BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL AND UNLAWFULLY PURSUED AND ANY OF YOUR AGENTS INVOLVED MAY BE HELD PERSONALLY LIABLE UNDER LAW.

Certified Mail # _____

EMERGENCY NOTICE

To ALL Private, For Profit, And Not For Profit, Municipal Corporations
Doing Business In These Several States Of America:

You are hereby put on Emergency Notice that a suit has been filed in the
Superior Court of the District of Columbia charging the “UNITED STATES,” d/b/a a "corporation," among others, with numerous violations of law, and are advised to CEASE and DESIST ALL CORPORATE ACTIVITY IMMEDIATELY.

Court action has been filed under Case # 2009 CA 005391 B in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia at: 500 Indiana Ave. NW, Room 5000, Washington, DC 20001.

All interlocking municipal corporations in the several states hold interlocking incorporated status directly from each of the 50 states which in turn hold their interlocking incorporated status directly from the "UNITED STATES" corporation, being the Defendant, among others, in the above captioned case.

The suit seeks as remedy, in part, invalidation of Defendant(s) corporate Charter, therefore placing ALL interlocking corporate charters in this country in question. This being the case, all municipal corporate activity in the land Must Be Stayed until a decision in the above captioned case has been determined and made of record.

In addition, ALL courts in the 50 states, including the United States Supreme Court, have been named in the suit. Therefore, no appeals by Defendant(s) will be possible if an adverse judgment is handed down against the Defendant(s).

Your corporation may contact the above court in which suit has been filed for verification and clarification by calling Derrick Monroe, Branch Chief of the Court at (202) 879-1143 or Clerk of the Court, Duane B. Delaney at (202) 879-1400 or by visiting the court's website at https://www.dccourts.gov/pa and search by the case number.

YOU ARE HEREBY "PUT ON NOTICE" AND ADVISED TO CEASE AND DESIST ALL CORPORATE ACTIVITY UNTIL A DECISION IS MADE IN THE ABOVE CAPTIONED CASE !

IF YOU DISREGARD THIS NOTICE AFTER RECEIPT, ANY CORPORATE ACTIVITY WILL BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL AND UNLAWFULLY PURSUED AND, YOU, OR ANY OF YOUR AGENTS INVOLVED, MAY BE HELD PERSONALLY (NOT PUBLICLY) LIABLE UNDER THE LAW!

Delivery Confirmation Mail # ______________ CORPORATION___________________________________________
Suitor: Livefreeordie __________________ signature Case/Account #__________

EMERGENCY NOTICE

To all private for profit and not for profit corporations doing business in these several united states of America: FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THE RECORD.

You are hereby put on emergency notice that suit has been filed in the Superior Court in Washington D.C. charging the “UNITED STATES” , aka “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” corporation with numerous violations of law challenging all statutes, codes, rules, and regulations as pertaining to the people of these several unites states of America.

Court action has been filed under Case # 2009 CA 005391 B and 2009 CA 005865 B in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia at: 500 Indiana Ave. NW # 5520, Washington D.C., 20001.

All corporations in these several united states hold incorporated status directly from each of the 50 states which in turn hold its’ incorporated status directly from the “UNITED STATES “ aka “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” corporation being the Defendant in the case above stated.

Suit seeks as remedy in part, invalidation of Defendant’s corporate Charter(s) therefore placing all corporate charters in question in this country. This being the case, all corporate activity in the land must be stayed until a decision in said case stated above has been determined and made of record.

All courts, including the United States Supreme Court have been named in the suit as defendants. Therefore, no appeals attempted by any Defendants will be possible if adverse judgment is handed down against it.

Such Defendants, including all added individual defendant(s), such as yourselves, to acquire the aid of attorneys, must enlist the services of attorney(s) from the District of Columbia and nowhere else, with a starting retainer fee of $100,000.00.

Take Notice, that unless you are prepared individually for yourselves and all of your agents individually, of all entities in your corporate status, to pay the retainer required, that you re-think your position of continuing your illegal corporate activities against the suitor whom has sent you this demand to immediately cease & desist all corporate activities whatsoever and TO CORRECT THE RECORD reversing all actions taken herein.

Your corporation can contact the court in which suit has been filed for verification of this Notice at fax (202) 2202200, and /or Branch Chief of the Court, Derrick Moore 202 879 1143, or Clerk of the Court, Duane B. Delaney 202 879 1400 to verify the filing status.

YOU ARE HEREBY PUT ON NOTICE TO INFORM ALL AGENTS TO CEASE AND DESIST ALL CORPORATE ACTIVITY IMMEDIATELY UNTIL A DECISION IS MADE IN THE CASE ABOVE MENTIONED ! IF YOU DISREGARD THIS NOTICE AFTER RECEIPT HEREEOF, ANY CONTINUED CORPORATE ACTIVITY WILL BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL AND UNLAWFULLY PURSUED AND YOU AND ANY OF YOUR AGENTS INVOLVED MAY BE HELD PERSONALLY LIABLE UNDER LAW.

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Why the case could possibly succeed

Sam,
If you want to understand why and how this case could succeed, please listen to [url=http://www.hjrbonds.com/calls.php]the conference call from September entitled "The Big Picture" at this link.[/url]

I still don't understand how you folks expect to get anywhere

with this.

If all governments are corporations rather than de jure, and the courts are included in this, how do you expect the corporations' judicial officers to rule in your favor?

I challenge you to prove that ANY judge thinks that these governments are illegitimate or somehow NOT government and thus truly subject to RICO.

I'm not asking you to prove to me the nature of government, I want to know how you intend to PROVE that a judge will rule this way. Not gonna happen. People in government BELIEVE that they are the de jure government. Not one citizen in a million would disagree. This being the case, how do you expect to win in a corporate court?

I will try anything at this point, and I give you much respect

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

for researching this idea and moving forward with it. I am saddened to see the sarcasm that people on this site have thrown at you for trying to do something proactive. I am sick of the people on this site tearing eachother down when we are trying to do what we can. They have done a great job of sucking the enegy out of this R3volution. We are better at kicking our ass, than the elite are. We are our own worst enemy on here. We are too politically correct, and we are too worried about following the rules. We want to be so honest and truthful in a war in which the enemy is using no honor nor truth. We want to bring pillows to gun fights and hope we will win, we want to say, oh well, we tried. We are a bunch of softies now I guess. I will apologize for the ignorance that some on here have attacked you with. I am speechless and ready to walk away from humanity as a whole. I for one, am grateful for what you are trying to do because at least you are doing something. Keep up the great work, because there are some on this site who still appreciate it. Thank you livefreeordie. Why can't people just thank you for your efforts?

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

question

I think I understand what is being said, and I know these "Corporations" are not only unlawful but compleatly illegal
and if this case wins it would make the City, County, or State be only a real City, etc... and not also a Corporation, like CITY OF_____, COUNTY OF______, or STATE OF______.This would be great!, I'm all for it, but my question is what would happen otherwise? How would the City, etc... State function? what would it look like? Like for example would police stations and court houses be shut down?

It would look like what the

It would look like what the LOCAL people decided it should. It would function like the LOCAL people decided it should. The "free" market", would truely be free. It would end "Federal" interference.

what is the plan?

Let me skip the rest of the 90% in this idea that I think is crazy and play along for a minute. How would the new cities, states and counties obtain credit for things they need? Many of these municipalities, states, counties and others rely on their good credit ratings to obtain needed supplies to manage the day to day functions of, well everything. These credit ratings would be destroyed on the spot. Also, if you were to remove the power of my state, you would be removing my corporate charter? What about my town? Would that end the public school system that many people have come to rely on? What about social security? Would my aging father still be able to collect his check? What is to prevent an angry mob of Obama supporters from starting an Army and then making him king of the US empire?

You can't just tear something down without having a plan for what to rebuild. Just like Ron with the Fed, he doesn't want to end the fed right away, it is a transitional approach and he would like to knock over the first domino as soon as possible

Again, I know you have good intentions, so good luck

They might as well get the keys to city hall ready boy

I know if I'd have read this as the Mayor, I'd have packed-up immediately, shut down trash collection, police, fire and public works service, turned off the street lights and closed the library until two residents figured out if doing all that stuff is legal or not. Powerful letters have been shutting government down for years. I heard the guys who got the bailout money wrote a 4-pager!

4-pager, that was a good one.

haha.

I was going to post my rebuke

but I realized I can't shill for the government if I'm facing charges this serious. I could never afford that ten million dollar retainer for a fancy city lawyer out in DC, and since I now know the government is just a fake corporation only in DC, I bet they won't cover my legal fees (talk about double dipping).

I know LiveFree's intentions are good, so I wish him well. I just hope he and any other DP members are not the people sending these off.

Hey, within 2 years we'll all be shilling for the government

I'm only concerned about the good people of AV. ;)

LOL

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Good luck to you.

_________________________________________
"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

Someone brought up the cafr

Someone brought up the cafr reports and i have wondered how this all fits together, it would be great if Rod could get discovery.

If my understanding of the CAFR issue is correct, it was all

on paper. Meaning their version of 401k's became 201k's last fall. If the CAFRs were real, they all just got a mean buzz cut last October along with everyone else. Wasn't all of this invested on paper and not real money "in the bank?"

I copied/pasted

the following from the site. Are there any lawyers in attendance that can explain what has happened to date and what will be happening on November 6th, 2009? It does state that the case is Open...

009 CA 005391 B DALE, RODNEY Vs. UNITED STATES
File Date 07/29/2009 Case Status Open Case Status Date 07/29/2009
Case Disposition Undisposed Case Disposition Date
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s)
DALE, RODNEY
PLAINTIFF
PRO SE
UNITED STATES
CORPORATION
Defendant
Case Schedule
Date Start Time Event Type
11/06/2009 09:30 AM Initial Scheduling Conference-60
Docket Entries
Date Text
10/02/2009 Motion to have The Clerk of Court to Enter a Default against the United States dba Corproation with Order to Enter Default Filed Attorney: PRO SE (999999) RODNEY DALE (PLAINTIFF); Receipt: 147370 Date: 10/08/2009
09/29/2009 Denial of Default Pursuant to Rule 55 (a). Notice Mailed Reason for Denial: After review, the clerk is unable to enter default, please file a motion for default. Notice Denying Request for Default Judgment Sent on: 09/29/2009 14:22:21 RODNEY DALE (PLAINTIFF); UNITED STATES (Defendant);
09/25/2009 Praecipe Requesting Default PRO SE (Attorney) on behalf of RODNEY DALE (PLAINTIFF) UNITED STATES (Defendant);
09/17/2009 Proof of service to Order Denying Plaintiff Motion to Clarify submitted 09/17/2009 16:19 wjw. Signed by Judge Brian F. Holeman on September 17, 2009.
09/17/2009 Order Denying Plaintiff Motion to Clarify submitted 09/17/2009 16:19 wjw. Signed by Judge Brian F. Holeman on September 17, 2009.
09/17/2009 Order Denying Plaintiff Rodney Dale's Amended Motion to Clarify the Language to Be Used Entered on the Docket, signed by Judge Holemam on 9/17/09. Copies e-served and mailed on 9/17/09-slo.
09/09/2009 Praecipe Notice to the Court 1st Notice of Fault Filed: Attorney: PRO SE (999999) RODNEY DALE (PLAINTIFF);
09/09/2009 Notice to the Court of Format of Filing The Petitioner's Files Attorney: PRO SE (999999) RODNEY DALE (PLAINTIFF);
08/31/2009 Memorandum to the Complaint & Affidavit of Injuries Filed Attorney: PRO SE (999999) RODNEY DALE (PLAINTIFF);
08/21/2009 Motion to Clarify the Language to be Used Filed Attorney: PRO SE (999999) Receipt: 142844 Date: 08/21/2009
08/12/2009 Praecipe Filed: Notice to the Court RODNEY DALE (PLAINTIFF);
07/30/2009 Issue Date: 07/30/2009 Service: Summons Issued Method: Service Issued Cost Per: $ UNITED STATES 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. WASHINGTON, DC 20530 Tracking No: 5000067391
07/29/2009 Event Scheduled Event: Initial Scheduling Conference-60 Date: 11/06/2009 Time: 9:30 am Judge: HOLEMAN, BRIAN F Location: Courtroom A-49
07/29/2009 Complaint for Fraud Filed Attorney: PRO SE (999999) Receipt: 140780 Date: 07/29/2009

WTP Federal Lawsuit to BAN ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11...
Jury trial, Sept 20, 2010, Albany, NY
http://www.peaceoftheaction.org
http://www.enduswars.org

Send me an e-mail by my

Send me an e-mail by my contact info here and I will send you the original e-mail I recieved that has all the attachments (documents), maybe you can get them posted here? I do not have the know-how.

Check your inbox;

and I'm signing off...
I'll check it out tomorrow and perhaps attempt to find a site online that transforms legalese into common everyday English...lol

WTP Federal Lawsuit to BAN ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11...
Jury trial, Sept 20, 2010, Albany, NY
http://www.peaceoftheaction.org
http://www.enduswars.org

LOL

The paperwork that was filed is attached as multiple PDFs. Understand that it was written by two non-lawyers and is a bit rough, and does ramble, but all the charges will probably stand ! And, they have the option to revise the paperwork (correct the grammar, spelling, etc.) at a later date.

Damn, with these two on the job, we'd have gotten OJ Simpson but good!

Does that part make anyone else laugh or is it just me?

Eric Hoffer

Just you.. and the other

Just you.. and the other sheeple here.....quick to judgment and no help at all with your post. Here's an idea, lead, follow, or get out of the way. If you are so all- knowing about representing your self in court, post some idea's here that will help? For those of us that do pro-se litigation, your post is nonsense.

One more thing

There's a difference between the two of us. You're talking about doing "pro-se litigation" while I've done it.

So don't talk to me about "those of us that..." when you don't actually do it. Don't get all whiny when someone tells you you've got a crappy argument and it hurts your feelings. Man up and take the hits. Ditch the argument and find a new way to fight. Quit wasting your time on this frivolous malarkey and get to work getting Rand into the Senate.

I've been there and won. My family included, we've been through 6 cases in Federal court against the IRS. How many have you been through? Don't try and debase me and call me a "sheeple" when you're following a winding path straight to moronsville and being told you're going the wrong direction.

You want help?

http://www.amazon.com/English-Grammar-Dummies-Geraldine-Wood...

On sale for $13.59!!

Eric Hoffer

Suggestion

Don't bring up crappy arguments like this that hinge upon the capitalization of names.

Considering I'm from a family that has represented ourselves against the IRS 6 times and who nearly got the tax courts shut down, I can pretty much tell what's going to get slaughtered/ignored and what isn't. Your "pro-se" litigation can go choke itself. If you'd like a copy of the book containing our court briefs so you can learn how to file your own papers with the correct language and not get laughed out of the room, please see: "Double Treason Against the United States of America." by Robert Cecil, copyright # TXu001069079 / 2001-10-30.

They've got millions of loopholes, and as far as I can tell the whole "corporation of the united states" argument is a farce. It's getting all of nowhere and it's represented by people who unfortunately have a loose grasp on reality. Like most carnival games, it gives people something to waste their time on and feel good about while their minutes and dollars drain into someone else's pockets and nothing productive is achieved.

Just because it's an idea doesn't make it a GOOD idea. It's an idea to check all male lions for prostate cancer, that doesn't mean you should volunteer to be the guy with the rubber gloves on.

Eric Hoffer

Lions

what a horrible yet appropriate analogy.

This is the website I found when the Strawmen were pushing this crap down our throats for a few weeks.

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#TOC

Trust me, I don't like being on the side of the IRS, and I am not, just showing what they have done regarding most of these nutty arguments.

It covers tax protesting for "weird flag with yellow fringes in courthouses" "the definition of income" "the idea that DC is the only part of the US" and pretty much all of them, especially the ALL CAPS Hogwash.

Thanks

And informative link btw, I'm enjoying the reading so far.

Thanks,

Eric Hoffer

Yeah, right.

Oh sure the courts are going to listen to this one! No doubt this stuff will be as successful as the sovereign-freeman-not a corportion fiction-strawman-natural person arguments.

Maybe they'll just lump it all in with the Orly "tater tots" Taitz's stuff and be done with it in one fell swoop.

Of course you are right!

Of course you are right! This doesn’t stand a chance of working. It would be a very bad thing if it did! So don’t worry, your pay check is safe. You have earned it with tonight’s nay-saying, as you have done for almost two years…….sorry if ‘we’ keep fighting by all the methods we have for ‘our’ freedom.

Thank you!

Do you really expect the courts to listen to any of this nonsense?

It's a cute idea but then there's the matter of reality to deal with and those 2 guys and their ideas will only be laughed out of court. I've seen the "paper wars" that "patriots" have used for years and they usually end in failure and frustration. Here's a case in point- Irwin Schiff, Peter's father, is serving prison time for failure to pay income tax. He's 81 years old I think. For YEARS he argued that there is no law requiring one to file Federal Income tax. Peter said he argued with his father that while there may be no law saying you're required to file Federal Income tax there was enough evidence the govt. would prosecute you anyway for not filing. Peter said his father could never understand that. So too with the aforementioned paperwork- there's no chance that method will work. I really do wish people who practice that sort of stuff would wake up!

Concerning my remarks- I've found some of the DP posts to be completely crazy and reply accordingly. You gotta' get a laugh from some of the wackier ones and obviously poke fun at some of the solutions and methods people come up with to accomplish what invariably is failure. Good intentions, sometimes. Waste of time, typically. The truly amazing part is that they all have a common characteristic- this method will work!

You'll also notice that I never attack DPers personally- only their ideas.

Length of time someone has been on DP is irrelevant. It's not your "club" or mine or anyones except Michael Nystrom's.

If you don't like what I say- ignore it. It doesn't cost you anything.

Great Post

Reminds me of Saul Alinsky's tactic of using the oppositions own rules against them. Look forward to reading the case.

I would think something this big should have it's own website. At the very least this would get people thinking.

Direct link to filing:
https://www.dccourts.gov/pa/pages/CRTVCaseSummary.jsp?case_i...

Cities and Counties

Not city's and county's ... "States" was correct.

Sorry. Cities and counties can be very possessive, but we shouldn't encourage them to be... ;)

IMissLiberty

IMissLiberty

I fixed the errors


And cleaned up some other stuff. It was kind of messy.

While I appreciate the

While I appreciate the correction(s) made to this post, in the future, I would appreciate being asked for permission to do so. A total of eight comments and three of them have to do with my eighth grade drop out spelling and grammar? “It was kind of messy.”, could have been left out and is the kind of public criticism I can do without. Situations like this leave me wondering why I bother to post at all. To be humiliated I suppose? I like to be told when I am wrong about anything. I don’t mind correction. I do mind the manner in which it is given.

How you write is just as if not more important than what you

write.

Simple spelling and grammatical errors detract from the message. They lower the impression a reader has of the writer, in the credibility to be accurate in what they say, as well as the propensity to believe anything from them.

The more mistakes there are, and the more basic those mistakes, the lower the impression.

There is a preview function for all posts and replies. I can understand someone who fires off a reply may not use preview and miss an error. Doing so in an original post is less forgivable. There are built in spell checkers for most every browser. If this is not sufficient, then type your posts in a word processor first, use spell and grammar check, then copy and paste into the DP.

I can't understand how people expect to be taken seriously and at the same time, have a fit when people correct basic mistakes in their postings. I know not everyone had the benefit of teachers who taught them proper English grammar and spelling, or how to write properly. I understand many schools do not require that people read works of any significant skill level. But that does not mean I should sit back and simply agree with whatever you say, no matter how poorly you say it, because you may not have been so fortunate as I was.

I also wonder why you WOULDN'T want people to critique what you wrote. If I was offering a proposal for change or action and I wanted to convince others of the merits of this proposal, I sure as hell would hope that if I made a mistake, someone would point it out to me. I know that simple errors, as well as major errors of fact or logic, detract from my message as well as make me personally look bad. I would take any criticism of this fashion willingly and appreciatively.

Finally, why did you post this? To see how many people agreed with you already? To pat yourself on the back? What you are suggesting as a course of action for the rest of us to take up and implement is not usual. It is highly unusual and different from what many people think or believe to be correct. Almost every response you have posted to others' replies has been in the gist of "gee, thanks for nothing, I guess you don't want to fix anything, and you are just happy the way things are right now." Sounds to me like the mark of someone who didn't get the kudos they were expecting and now you have to defend your position but can't.

aahhh....

It's looking better now. Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports(CAFRs) vs. Budgets are where the real fraud in local and state governments is found.

For example, I dissected the Florida State CAFR and some local Florida CAFRS recently and found that although the State has some $200 billion hanging around in short term investments (surpluses) they freak out all the people with a $66 billion dollar budget of which they claim they are short $6 billion. Than if you look at all the previous CAFRS you find that they're net worth is and has been growing at a annual rate of 5%-10% per year. This is not an isolated incident. The three other local CAFRs I pulled apart were about the same.

I would really love to do California's. It takes time though.

I, for one,

have an incredible stumbling block on grammar and spelling. It's not just you, it's anywhere I see a spelling error or grammatical disruption. It actually makes my thought stop where it is and have to re-read over and over. I know I'm not the only one. So when we stop to correct grammar, remember it is not your thought we are trying to fix, it is the way we are able to read it. It's like anti-dyslexia. We can see and read the word and know what you mean, but the misspelling of it stops the thought in its tracks.

LOL

Due to this post making me laugh so long and so hard, I'm going to comment here too.

. A total of eight comments and three of them have to do with my eighth grade drop out spelling and grammar? “It was kind of messy.”, could have been left out and is the kind of public criticism I can do without

My father dropped out before high school and his grammar is fine. He's a published author. My uncle dropped out about the same time and just feels that the English language is important enough that we should respect it by learning the rules.

I don't bring this up totally out of offense, but if there is this kind of blatant disregard for English while trying to appeal to judges and the courts, what kind of flagrant disregards for process have been made in terms of law? Law is a hell of a lot more complicated than the apostrophe, you'd assume learning to walk would predate a marathon run. If you can do without this kind of criticism, perhaps revising before public posting is in order? Have a friend review it? Consult a book on grammar?

I'm trying to be as inoffensive as I can about this, but no one in a court of law will take someone seriously who can't distinguish between there, their, and they're or who cannot seem to find the correct place for the apostrophe. If you really want this to succeed, and they really want this to succeed, they'd better damned well dot every i and cross every t, literally and figuratively.

Eric Hoffer

Eric Hoffer

I appreciate

your endeavors; I, for one, would like to be updated about this matter--I have no trouble figuring out what you're saying. Everybody has areas of strength and weakness; I am totally lost when reading stock market posts...

WTP Federal Lawsuit to BAN ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11...
Jury trial, Sept 20, 2010, Albany, NY
http://www.peaceoftheaction.org
http://www.enduswars.org

What about

'shutting' instead of shuting?

I think

I vaguely recall reading about this a few months back; it appears the next Court date is 11/06/09.
Since I'm not a lawyer, of course, I cannot determine the legitimacy of the charges. I do find it interesting, though, that it appears the matter hasn't been thrown out!
Keep us apprised, please...

WTP Federal Lawsuit to BAN ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11...
Jury trial, Sept 20, 2010, Albany, NY
http://www.peaceoftheaction.org
http://www.enduswars.org

Rods been at this a while,

Rods been at this a while, his brother is pretty sharp too, ive read some of their stuff. Im not sure where this will go but I applaud them making an effort. If we all continue to do more and more it will implode the banksta's

This is really dumb

You could just as easily use voodoo.

I was wondering DO ALL LAWYERS

know that we are a corporation and not a country? You would think there would be at least of few lawyers out there that would want to do the right thing and help you folks. Get this information out to the public.

My guess is probably not,

My guess is probably not, but who knows. Sure seems like the kind of thing that you might expect tens of thousands of lawyers around the country making a lot of noise about.