Are we witnessing the first effects of time travel? UPDATE!
"What Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, are suggesting is that the Higgs boson, the particle that physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be “abhorrent to nature”.
What does that mean? According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place."
Just thought a "crazy theory" that did NOT involve a conspiracy might be fun to kick around... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
thanks to hiyopi for the youtube link!
UPDATE 11-6-09: Now this is getting kinda freaky:
"The Large Hadron Collider’s woes have taken a faintly comic turn after the huge particle accelerator got broken by a piece of bread dropped by a passing bird."
Why am I suddenly seeing so much
about time travel. And have you noticed the alien infiltration on tv and movies.
Can Someone from the Future Tell Me...
In the future do they put Ron Paul left of George Washington or to the right of Lincoln on Mt. Rushmore.
Over Lincoln and Roosevelt, Just Washington, Jefferson, & Paul
"What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on." Me
Seriously weird
"The Large Hadron Collider’s woes have taken a faintly comic turn after the huge particle accelerator got broken by a piece of bread dropped by a passing bird. "
andrew jackson!
he killed he bank
Here's a secret.
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Ron Paul is the reincarnation of Thomas Jefferson !
he seems more like madison to me
TJ was more of a hippy, and liked the sistas
LOL
LOL
Hi.
Madison was a centralist and Jefferson was much like a Libertarian, a label put on Ron Paul numerous times.
Awesome Movie About Time Travel
"Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel"
Three social outcasts -- two geeks and a cynic -- as they attempt to navigate a time-travel conundrum in the middle of a British pub.
http://www.fairyshare.com...
IMBD:
http://www.imdb.com/title...
www.Umake.it - The online resource for the Hand Made Society
been there, done that, apparently gonna do it again..
.. in reverse..
Just wait -
Some day in the future someone will create a Replicator. Then they can Replicate time machines and Replicators among everything else under the sun. What happens then?
What happens then?
grey goo
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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dead banksters
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_society
CHA-CHING!
hopefully they become a RINO
Replican in Name Only
This isn't the first effect of time travel.
I have been traveling through time my entire life. I started out at birth and am now approaching 66 years. One terrific journey.
:)
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
I can see the conversation now.....
"So what are we going to tell them when they realize they spent all this money on a project that doesn't work?" "I dunno....maybe we flip the switch, dim the lights a little bit and tell them the particle went back in time and committed suicide so it could never be born." "hmmm....sounds good.... send it over to the writers and let them story board it." "You up for 9 holes?"
Money. It's all about the money.
Did it ever occur to you that these people might not be in it for the money?
CHA-CHING!
Power.. is money
When people say money they mean control. It's one in the same.
Did I say anything about power?
Do you really think people have devoted their lives to this just to make money? Money is a means to an end.
CHA-CHING!
Youtube link on the subject....
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
thanks!
added to the post!
the black ops ...
have been able to time travel for a few decades now.
this is just a hit piece. they just don't want regular folks to know this science.
And the Philadelphia Experiement
had years to perfect it, from what happened at that time.
+...Pray for Your Enemies and Moral Courage for Righteous Leaders, so that Justice Will Be Delivered to the Innocent...+
Oh, I totally agree with you there! They most certainly have
this and more. Where else did all the ideas for Sci fi come from? Most likely came from true stories that were stranger than fiction.
http://therootsofchange.c...
Sci-fi
Has always predicted the future. Think "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" or "A Trip To The Moon"... Or even "1984"...
just for kicks...
Is "time" itself even real?
I propose that "time" is not real.
Time cannot be measured, it can only be marked.
Time is an idea that we impose on our experience with the world. It is an extremely useful idea, no doubt, but it is still only a conceptual object, not a material object. So it is not real. It's not real like a rock or a ribosome or a rheostat.
Therefore, when theoretical physicists play around with the idea of time using the symbol systems of mathematics, they can come up with equations and formulae that imply time moving forwards or backwards. But time is not a thing that moves at all; it has no weight, no mass, no momentum, no force, and it performs no work. It doesn't start or stop, except in the sense that the person marking "time" starts or stops the clock.
If you put a variable into an equation that represents something that is not real, eventually you're going to come up with unreal results.
Sure time can be measured...
...but that doesn't make it real. Zeno of Elea figured that one out a couple thousand years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#The_arrow_paradox
- Mixer
Time cannot be measured
because we see it as linear - a single, ever-progressing line. In reality, it is a circular, twisting cycle. The ancients understood this.
Please describe what you mean when you say time is...
..."a circular, twisting cycle".
That caught my eye because there is a passage in the Bible that I take as meaning 'full circle' rather than 'point A to point B'.
Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Is that what you mean about it being "circular"? Also, what did you mean by "twisting"?
History repeats itself
Most of us have heard that cliché, but there is much more implied than meets the eye. This is why many ancient religions believe that the earth has been created and destroyed multiple times, and some believe that we're approaching the end of another cycle. It's difficult to explain without being able to draw charts and visually sketch out ideas, but aspects of history literally do repeat themselves – because time occurs in cycles.
The Mayan calendar is a good example to turn to. If you look at the Mayan calendar and understand a little bit about how it works, it's based on cycles of time. From a standpoint of mechanics, the Mayan calendar is very much like a machine - an arrangement of gears (which represent cycles of time) with larger, slower-rotating gears meshing with smaller, faster-rotating gears, all rotating in direct proportion and ratio to each other. To break it down a little more specifically for the mechanically-inclined, within the machine you might have a gear which makes one revolution for every four revolutions made by another directly-meshed gear. There are “chains” and “clusters” of gears, where one gear will cause three or four others to turn, at different ratios. These “gears” represent cycles of time, big and small, and cycles within cycles... you get a picture sort of like “eddy currents” of time swirling around us within the all-encompassing big picture of time absolute. The overall state of the machine (time absolute) can be determined (or predicted) by looking at the arrangement of the gears at a given point. When certain “teeth” of the various “gears” mesh up in specific patterns, certain things happen in the machine. I'm not saying that, if a specific event occurs at point X in a given cycle, then that specific event with the exact same details will occur again at point X in the next cycle, but a similar event on a similar premise with like effect will always happen at point X of any given cycle. I think this is why some cults are strongly obsessed with numerology and specific dates.
Modern calendars are linear; they imply that once a particular period of time has expired, it's gone. From our modern concept of linear time, this is where much of the hype about the Mayan calendar and 2012 comes in. People assume that, because the Mayans had a seemingly-supernatural understanding of time, and because the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, it *must* mean the end of time. We look at the Mayan calendar with our linear concept of time and say, “These people obviously had unfathomable understanding of time, even beyond our own, and their calendar ends in 2012... OH NO!!! What does it mean?!” It really just means the end of the “Great Cycle” or the “Great Year”, and another cycle begins - the Mayan calendar comes full circle to zero (all gears reset). This may very well mean another destruction cycle is approaching, but mankind has lived on through previous cycles, so I don't see it as the end of everything. I see it as more of a transcendence point and a cleansing cycle wherein we will start a new, clean cycle of time. I think there is at least a loosely-coupled connection in that regard to John's visions in Revelation.
Not to get off track on aspects of religion, but since you started citing passages... :-) If you look at the chronology of the big picture in Revelation: there is the destruction (God's judgment upon the earth); then Satan is cast into hell for 1,000 years; then Satan is loosed to deceive all the nations (which still exist) again; then Satan, the beast and the false prophet are cast into hell for good; then the earth and the heavens are “fled away” because “there was found no place for them”; then the dead stand before a throne to be judged against the Book of Life; then, after all of that, in Revelation 21:1 - “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.” Everything throughout the rest of the chapter is peace and light in a new world purged of “dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” I personally think that to some degree it is implied that “creation” (no matter if you believe in divine 7-day creation, the big bang, intelligent design, or whatever) will begin again, and history, a great cycle of time, will repeat itself, with smaller, faster cycles of time (history) repeating themselves and influencing one another, with specific harmonics yielding specific circumstances and atmospheres.
I think that some day we will be at a point where we have lived through our present dimension, transcended it to a higher dimension that we'll come to understand, wherein the restraint of time is no longer a factor, and others will take our place here on this plain, starting a new civilization, and the whole great cycle starts over. I think that, when we really come to understand the overall machine of time as depicted in my analogy above, then we will realize that even it (history/time absolute) is nothing more than a component of a bigger, more complex machine. Then we will be those beings who understand the cycles of time for those “below,” on what we now perceive to be the “real world,” and that those who take our place will be akin to what we now consider to be the “ancients.” I think that, if I'm right (or anywhere close to it), this would explain much about how the “ancients” seemed to have attained such an incredible understanding of time and the cycles of the heavens that even rival modern-day NASA, but the ancients had this understanding without computers, rockets, space probes and other ”modern” tools. I think that this could explain much about ancient carvings and writings that seem to depict modern technology and machinery. The ancients had knowledge and understanding that seemed to be handed down to them... or maybe some of them just “remembered” things from a previous great time cycle.
With respect to the passage you cited, it, and others like it, essentially mean that God simply exists, with no beginning and no end. As humans in a physical 3D world bound by the 4th dimension of time, which most see as linear, it's very difficult to understand how something can exist with no origin in time, because time is a factor that overrides everything by which we are bound. We, by nature, and by our limited perspective as humans, believe that if something exists then there must be a point in time where it came into existence, and that it did not exist before that point in time. Without a little help from entities which are not bound by time, it's very difficult for us to understand things in dimensions beyond ours. It's difficult to conceive that something can simply exist in our physical time-bound dimension, with no beginning and no end, but we will understand it on another plain. From our primitive perspective, time is simply an idea conceived by the imagination, and it occurs in repeating cycles.
I'm not sure if any of this is making sense; it's very difficult to summarize the cycles of time without writing for days and days. I get it; it's just difficult to put into a few words. In order to be more informative, I would need to know what you understand in areas of traditional sciences, quantum sciences, and even some religion, philosophy and ideology. Over many years I've noticed that bits and pieces of certain things seem to point to bits and pieces of other things – and spanning some of the specific areas I just cited. There seems to be a subtle interconnection of certain things that collectively point to the conclusions I've come to regarding cycles of time. I think a lot of people hear about the ancients' beliefs regarding time cycles, then go looking for supporting information to say, “Wow! The ancients were onto something!” For me, it was the opposite. I noticed a lot of things that seemed to point to time cycles, and began to understand them (even if I could not easily explain them). At times I thought I might have been just misinterpreting or seeing things that weren't really there. Then, later, I found out that the ancients also thought in terms of time cycles. Later I found out about things like the Mayan calendar, indications of cycles from Stonehenge and et cetera. At that point a lot of very-difficult-to-explain things seemed to really start “clicking.” I will have to do lots of digging to bring back (or even remember, in some cases) the specific elements that helped me begin to see outside of the linear concept of time. So as not to hijack and clutter this thread, I'd be willing to take the discussion offline, if you'd like. But it will be a long discussion, no matter what. :-)
Regarding the “twisting” of time, I guess the best examples to look to would be theories on worm holes and time travel by some of history's greatest scientific minds. One attribute that these theories and equations have in common is twisting of time … traveling through timespace by bringing together very distant points on a fabric (through warpage, twisting, curling and folding of the fabric). Most of the theories and equations are based on either causing warps and twists in the fabric or by taking advantage of those which occur naturally. Imagine you have a long strip of paper, which represents a timeline (as we commonly would imaging it, in linear fashion). Near each end of the paper, you mark a small dot, each of which represents a point in time (history and future). If the paper is rolled, twisted, curled or folded, the dots inevitably become closer together. Even within our common understanding of flat, linear, uninterpretable time, NASA and others have done a lot of research and published scientific data which indicate that a given span of time can be perceived and affected differently by objects simply moving at different speeds. One commonly-used scenario is that you get into a spaceship with a calendar and a highly-accurate stopwatch (or even an atomic clock) and travel across space at incredible speeds (approaching the speed of light), and make the length of your trip to be exactly 2 years. When you return back to earth, what you perceived to have been two years would actually be decades to us here on earth. To us, you would have been gone for a very long time. Accordingly, you would have aged two years and we would have aged greatly. The point is, when objects move at extreme speeds, as far as those objects are concerned, time and its effects slow down. More speed = slower time (and vice versa). How can the speed of a physical object affect time? Who am I to argue with you, saying you've been gone for 20 years when your clock and calendar say you've been gone for two? Who are you to argue with me when I say you've been gone 20 years because that's what my clock and calendar say? What does all of it mean? It means that time is a perception with ripples and shifts that vary according to perspective. This is also somewhat coupled with Einstein's theory of 'special' relativity (not E=MC2). The commonly-used scenario there is that an event can be experienced by two people. One person might perceive the timing of the event a little bit differently than the other. The question is, which perception is correct? The scientific answer is, both of them. This indicates that there are interlaced harmonic ripples, inconsistencies and phase shifts in our own perceptions of time and reality – and all perceptions are correct.
As I said, I don't know if any of this is helping at all. I know a lot of this sounds like aimless babbling. I don't have a lot of experience putting into words because people typically trail off in the first 5 minutes of my speaking about it. :-) The biggest challenging to actually being able to conceptualize and see it is breaking out of the mindset that time is linear. Sense can be made of it, but much interactive discussion is required.
I appreciate the time and thought you put into your reply.
...And no, it did NOT sound like aimless babbling. ;)
Also thank you for putting it in layman's terms. I was able to follow along and I think your examples illustrated quite well what you were trying to convey.
As far as what you said about not wanting to clutter the thread, I don't see your posts as hijacking, as the OP pertained to time anomaly.
My only criticism is that ya gotta put more breaks in your paragraphs so it's easier to read. *ducking* Don't swat me too hard for that. :P
I like the "gear" example. I, too, do not think 2012 is the end of everything, but the end of a cycle of some sort and that other cycles are taking place within bigger cycles.
Regarding what you said about the ancients having knowledge and understanding that seemed to be handed down to them and also what you said about help from entities which are not bound by time, it makes me think of "the watchers" mentioned in the Bible and in the Book of Enoch.
The Bible describes them as holy ones come from heaven. The Book of Enoch has a lot more to say about them, in particular, things that coincide with pre-flood Genesis.
The watchers, the rebellious angels, were said to have given man forbidden knowledge.
I see a parallel there with what you described.
Perhaps these watchers/angels were the entities not bound by time who gave man the advanced knowledge to which you refer above.
I don't discount that there may even be something to things like astrology and numerology. I just don't dabble there.
I hope my mention of these things doesn't turn the thread into a religious debate. I just think there is a lot that ties in with what you are describing.
I do not believe in evolution. If there have been cycles where creation has happened over again, that could explain Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals, as it would allow for the possibility of the existence of pre-adamic races. It could even explain civilizations like Atlantis.
While I have not studied time travel in any depth, I find the subject fascinating, especially as I think of how it might relate to unexplained things like religion, legends, and even ~aliens~.
Reading your explanation and examples of time twisting reminded me of the suspended animation in The Twilight Zone episode, 'The Long Morrow'. Coincidentally, my very favorite movie is The Time Machine.
Perhaps the time "twisting" even explains time anomalies people describe in ~alien~ abductions. (I say ~alien~ because I wonder if angels/watchers are those beings.)
Regarding what you said about the subtle interconnections, please elaborate. You said, "At times I thought I might have been just misinterpreting or seeing things that weren't really there."
What kind of things do you mean?
Repetitive, small hints
The reason that Satan rebelled against God was because God wanted Satan to bow to His creation – man. Satan's pride would not allow this. Other ancient holy texts outline that Satan questioned how God could possibly expect him, being created out of fire, to bow to a human, being created of clay. Ultimately, Satan refused to bow. He incited 1/3 of the other angels to join a rebellion against God. For it, Satan and his followers were cast down from heaven to earth. These fallen angels are the watchers.
Everyone knows the story in the book of Genesis about the great flood. God was disappointed in the continual evil of mankind, but few take a close enough look at the nature of the evil that spawned the flood. All throughout the bible, divine beings (angels) are referred to as “Sons of God” and humans are referred to as “Sons of Man.” Genesis 6 outlines how the Sons of God (angels) bred with the Daughters of Man (human women) to produce offspring of great physical stature and power:
Genesis 6 -
1: And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3: And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5: And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6: And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7: And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8: But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
The story of the flood goes on from there. It always amazes me how people – even pastors and scholars - read right past things like that throughout the bible. The verses above talk of supernatural beings breeding with human women and producing evil offspring of great physical stature and power.
On an interesting side note about the “men of old” verse (6:4), the word “old” there was translated from the Hebrew lexicon “owlam” (see Strongs 5769) with the following definition:
`owlam o-lawm'
or lolam (o-lawm') ; properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always:--alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, (n-))ever(-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end).
Read that again for relevancy to this thread. :-) I don't know if you've ever heard of “Nephilim.” If not, look it up - there's lots of info on it. They are basically the offspring of supernatural beings and human women. Archaeologists claim to have found fossilized remains of them, and that some of them are over 11 feet tall. Ancient carvings and statues of them have been found all throughout the middle east and Egypt – depicting very tall reptile-looking males next to human women, cradling infants. The word “Nephilim” is a derivative of the Hebrew word, “nphiyl”, meaning “giant,” from the above verse (6:4).
At one point, the beings themselves, along with their offspring, seemed to mingle among civilization here on earth. Think about that. We're basically talking about beings who were present at creation... beings who must have an understanding that is absolutely unfathomable to us - of time, space, the universe, energies and forces... beings who must have a great deal of power if they actually thought they could challenge God... beings who are not bound by time... beings who must know the inner workings of man on both a physical and spiritual level... beings sworn to lead astray as many as possible... and these beings being cast out of heaven, coming down to earth and mingling, at least somewhat freely, with man, and marrying/breeding with his daughters. I've heard the story of Noah and the great flood in church many times, but never a peep about this aspect of it. Call me crazy, but I think God chose Noah to survive, based not only on his virtue, but also on his clean linage (DNA, family tree, what have you) – then God flooded the earth, to purge it of certain bloodlines, and separate them from bloodlines of his human creation. And consider verses regarding eating of the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden:
Genesis 3 -
1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7: And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
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13: And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14: And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
What do we have here? More indication of the seed of the serpent and woman needing to be separated, and more indication of knowledge being revealed from divine beings? Looking at the lexicons for the words in the verses above, it's easy to see that the opening of the eyes does not mean opening of eyeballs. It is more along the lines of an opening of the mind's eye – an awakening to higher knowledge and a higher level of consciousness than was already possessed.
Also, all throughout the bible, God's servants are sent to fight, slay and displace these “giants” - the “Anakim or Sons of Anak.” There is the story where Caleb prods his people to invade the land of milk and honey. The people question it:
Numbers 13 -
30: And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.
31: But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.
32: And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
33: And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Some of these stories go on to talk about how these giants built cities “walled up to the heavens.” There is also the story of David and Goliath and several others (that I can't remember off the top of my head right now) where these evil “giants” are antagonists. There is the story of the “wheels” in the sky in Ezekiel, which I am convinced is describing what we today refer to as UFO's and aliens.
I'm convinced that the fallen angels, the watchers, the giants and aliens are all one in the same. I believe that they are right now striving to reunite their seed with the daughters of man. I think that some day these “aliens” (or watchers or whatever else you want to call them) will show themselves again – that they will come back to mingle again with the civilizations. They will be outwardly transformed into angels of light, acting as our friends and saviors, to lead us further astray.
In any case, yes, these are the beings not bound by time to whom I referred in previous posts.
Regarding my statement, "At times I thought I might have been just misinterpreting or seeing things that weren't really there..." what I meant by that was that I noticed things at an early age which seemed to point to time going in cycles rather than in a straight line. Everything I noticed was a small hint, but I began noticing patterns to those hints... and there were an ever-increasing number of them scattered about... and that each could have one of several different meanings although one common possible meaning that they all shared was that time could be circular. I don't know if you've ever experienced this kind of slow epiphany, where subtle hints keep coming to you, but try putting it into words and convincingly explaining it to someone without sounding like a jackass. It can't be done. This is why I seriously considered responding to your original question simply with, “No, I can't explain.” :-)
I have always been very technically and scientifically oriented, and I began questioning things related to the sciences around 6-7 years old. I couldn't fathom how the universe could be infinite – with no physical boundaries and no beginning in time.
I began noticing subtle cycles of things in the universe, in nature, in science in mathematics, in history, in religion and in many other areas. There seemed to be a lot of parallel spanning all these things, although I just couldn't quite put my finger on exactly what the parallel was. I read a lot of scientific theories and equations which seemed to indicate (or could at least be explained by) cycles of energy fields and cycles of time – although none of them ever directly said, ”time is circular.” Later, I noticed things in religious texts which seemed to indicate or could be explained by time cycles. Then, for a while, I got stuck back some of my original questions: “How can anyone or anything exist without a beginning? I understand how something can be created now and last forever going forward, but how can something just BE, lasting forever when looking backwards in time? Does time go forwards and backwards? Maybe time doesn't GO anywhere – maybe it's just a concept that we as humans can't see past? Or... could it be a circle... a cycle, like so many other things in nature and in the universe?”
Over many years, the latter just made so much sense to me and became more and more fathomable and realistic. I noticed that so many “unanswerable” things in the various sciences would be easily explained by slow, subtle cycles of time and energy. But discussing it with people was a different story. That which I had come to recognize, and found increasingly more difficult to deny, was to everyone else all just a crazy theory if I could not present any hard, indisputable evidence to back up what I felt. And there were things I understood, but could not really put into words, so on the few occasions where I tried to explain why I believe time runs in cycles, it didn't come out sounding very plausible. I don't like to make statements like, “I've seen literally hundreds of things that point to cycles of time,” when I know that I cannot exactly remember even a fraction of where I saw the elements or why they even took my attention to begin with. And, from the aspect of religion, I discussed such things with several pastors, who would always give me patronizing looks and answers along the lines of, “Some things are just not meant for us to understand, but we'll understand them some day.” so I knew I would get no backup from those qualified to do so from a religious aspect. So, for a while, I began to feel like I was just seeing things that weren't there. Maybe what I recognized really was a stretch of my ever-wandering imagination if I couldn't find hard evidence to back it up. Could I be right and so many other people be wrong?
So you can see why, at one point, I felt as though maybe I had mis-recognized something. Or, to put it another way, I felt as though I may have been barking up the wrong tree. That point, however, came and went long ago. While I haven't really tried to organize (or even remember) a point list of citings, I hate to just make statements without offering something – either evidence or at least an explanation of any belief behind my statements. So there you have (some of) it. I may not be able to convince anyone else of what I see and feel regarding time cycles, but I also don't see myself ever being realistically convinced that I'm completely (or even mostly) wrong about it.
I began to come out of the point of self-doubt when a friend brought to my attention that many ancient cultures “knew” about vast time cycles and that some even based much of their philosophy and religion on the cycles. I began to research a little bit on some of these cultures, who were advanced way ahead of their times in their knowledge and understandings of sciences and the universe in general, and was surprised to find that they basically believed exactly what I had come to recognize, but kept mostly quiet about for so long. Coincidentally, some of this study is what led me to notice the Nephilim. And even more recently, I see hints and elements pointing to cycles of time and waves of energy in the more modern sciences and theories, such as those on time travel.
In all honesty, I did not really want to participate in this thread to begin with because things like its core subject matter fascinate me, and I tend to ramble on and on. Anyone who knows me knows not to get me started on such things. :-)
I do want to point something out, though. I saw some people joking about the machine (or something associated with it in the future) coming back in time to sabotage itself. I may not be able to explain it in a way that will give everyone some great awakening, but I think that it is entirely possible that the collider can open doors that we do not yet understand. There is a very fine line between what we perceive to be reality in a physical world and much higher dimensions of reality composed of pure energy that we cannot yet even begin to understand. Quantum mechanics is full of indications of this. I think that the collider could realistically have unintended consequences, either by opening doors that we may not really want to open, or by having some negative effect on the future where the collider will be identified by future civilizations as a problem that must be dealt with before it happens. Maybe some higher force is trying to sabotage the collider for our own good, or because it may reveal things that we're not yet meant to see. If you can believe that the collider might create a black hole right here on earth that will swallow everything up, then my view shouldn't be so difficult to believe. I am not trying to be scolding or condescending, but I think that there is a realistic possibility that the collider really could be being sabotaged by outside forces. If this is so, it's not at all a joking matter. Maybe there is more to it than the humorous aspect that meets the eye.
Alright, this has to be the end of my rambling... at least in this thread. :-) We can take it off line if you like. I'll leave you with the following. You might find these videos interesting. Although I have looked at these subjects in books and published data in the past, I found these videos last night that are somewhat related to the scientific aspects I've discussed thus far:
Multiverses and Membranes:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
The Elegant Universe - String Theory:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
Part 10
Part 11
10 Dimensions of Reality (there are actualy 11):
Part 1
Part 2
Also, I hope the formatting shows better this time. I usually do put breaks in, but some don't show unless I explicitly use <br> or <p> tags (which gets cumbersome, so I'm usually lazy about doing it in preview). :-)
I'm sorry
I'm sorry, but this makes complete sense to me.
Ever read "Earth's Earliest Ages"? GH Pember
Read that when I was... 10? 11? Real eye opener.
Nothing new under the sun heh
Hmm. Echelon, did you see the update in the OP?
When you said, "Maybe some higher force is trying to sabotage the collider...", you could be onto something.
Heh
Nice! Could it have been a mockingbird? ;-)
Echelon, this is awesome. :)
So glad you didn't leave me with “No, I can't explain.”
We're definitely on the same page so far. I'm about half way through your post and skimmed kinda quickly through the rest so I could respond before I go to bed.
Unfortunately, it's after 3:30 am eastern time zone and I'm having a hard time keeping my eyes open. I'm definitely looking forward to finishing reading the rest and checking out the links tomorrow.
Yes, I am aware of the Nephilim. A few comments below, I mentioned the giants to wafflehutguy. Very creepy when you know some of the things that were really going on in Noah's time and then Jesus warns "..as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."
You're right. Church does not talk about it. I haven't been to church in a few years and have pursued things on my own. The Bible makes more sense when some of the blanks are filled in with these other things.
I did not know that "old" was translated from a word meaning "eternal", "perpetual". That qualifies the watchers as entities not bound by time and I definitely see the relevance to this thread.
At the risk of embarrassing myself, I have to admit I don't know what a collider is. But from what is described, I am wondering the same thing about unintended consequences and whether there might be divine intervention for our own good.
Oh my, now I'm rambling. I really do have to get to bed, though.
Thanks so much for the info and for sharing your experience. I'll finish reading tomorrow and watch the videos.
As far as continuing discussion off-forum, I've no objection. I will look forward to it. Just understand that I do not have the science background that you do, so be patient with me. ;)
By the way, the breaks helped. I've never used tags for them. I just hit return twice to double space.
Thanks again, Echelon. :)
directed panspermia et al
http://www.grupo.org/peek
http://www.grupo.org/dinn...
Lol. "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner.."
Not sure about life originating from outer space, but in Genesis and in The Book of Enoch there is reference to angels breeding with humans.
The result of the mingling, the giants, couldn't get enough to eat. They were eating up all the food supplies and even turned to cannibalism.
That doesn't make Luke 17:26 very comforting:
"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."
holograms
I don't understand the idea that I'm about to suggest well enough to actually advocate for it, but here's just something to consider:
You know how a hologram can be divided into smaller pieces, and each piece retains the information of the whole? If you cut a hologram of an American flag into small pieces, you don't get little red pieces and little white pieces and little blue pieces; instead, each piece becomes its own American flag.
Maybe time (history, now, the future) is like that? Maybe we think these events happen separately, but they actually occur all at once...always.
Wouldn't that be cool?!
Yes
Look up the “Holographic Universe” theories. They are very much in line with what you're suggesting.
I used to build lasers and make holograms (interference patterns of photons acting as waves instead of particles) when I was a kid. And, yes, you can divide a hologram and the entire image is retained, although with less and less clarity the more you divide it.
You inadvertently bring up another aspect. :-) The third eye, or your mind's eye. Buried deep within your brain is a small organ called the pineal gland. This gland is responsible for releasing DMT into your body when you dream, when you have out-of-body experiences, and in huge quantities before you die (which is why they say you see your life flash before your eyes). The gland is actually a bioluminescent organ – a light sensor. It even has a lense and a retina. But why? Why have an optical sensor buried in your brain where it can never see any light of the outside world? What does it see?
There have been experiments done which indicate that stimulation of the pineal gland makes one highly introspective and acts as a sixth sense, even to things which have not yet occurred.
Take a look at the pineal gland and its surroundings: http://becomehealthynow.c...
And then look at the symbol of the all-seeing eye of Horus: http://www.flickr.com/pho...
See any similarities?
I've heard
that flouride causes the third eye to become calcified and unable to open...another reason for fluoridating us? Keep any of the 'good ones" from accessing a higher conscousness?
I've not heard about calcification of the pineal, specifically
But it would seem to make sense. There are two types of fluoride (naturally-occurring and lab-synthesized). The lab-synthesized type is what was used by the Nazis in the concentration camps to keep prisoners docile and unobservant. Despite the fact that most of Europe and Asia has rejected public water fluoridation, it's still pretty widespread here in the U.S.. Actually, I was going to direct you to an old thread wherein I posted references to a lot of info (scientific studies) about water fluoridation making people stupid, but it seems to no longer exist. :-/ In any case, the active ingredient in Prozac is a compound of fluoride, and fluoride is also a base element of Vx nerve gas.
I'm assuming that you know of the pineal exercises.
I get you completely
I have read several things that express what you just did. You can even find what you are talking about in fiction. From Steven King: " Ka is a wheel" to Battlestar Galactica: “All this has happened before, and it will happen again.”
Good point Huck
The past and the present are just meaningless and generally harmful data stored in the human mind.
Ever tried coordinating four
Ever tried coordinating four robot arms to pick up and, in a flash, transfer thin and brittle 12" computer wafers that are worth a quarter of a million dollars each? Time comes into consideration. :-)
Nope.
Can't say that I have.
It's very handy to use it but I think humans lack of understanding of the importance of the Now and the absurdity of our obsession with the past and future will lead to our ultimate demise.
dducks, you have positively enfluenced thousand of seekers.
Me thinks the future will be the ultimate, we got satellite.
I like to read your post too.
I came close this afternoon
A grass seed got in my dog's eye, and I had to get it out quick because he's not going to sit like a good boy indefinitely while I dink around trying to get it out.
Does that count? It was a process that involved six limbs and one infinitely valuable, beautiful brown eye.