Two Children in Iowa Survive H1 N1 Vaccination
In a shocking twist, two children of a rural Iowa family physician are apparently unharmed the day after receiving the deadly intranasal H1N1 vaccine.
"It didn't hurt a bit," said nine year old Rachel, who braved the ordeal without so much as a dose of Tylenol, "I'm glad I didn't have to get a shot."
Authorities are considering filing child abuse charges against their father for allowing his nurse to administer this vaccine, which has been linked to a number of rare but potentially fatal complications.
"He is at least guilty of 'reckless endangerment', said one representative from the Department of Human Services.
Medical experts from the prestigious DailyPaul Institute for the Advancement of Medical Conspiracy Theories, are watching this and other vaccination victims for any signs of delayed reactions.
"We know that vaccines can cause long term side effects. If either of these kids develops Guillain-Barre syndrome, dystonia, or even a hang nail any time within the next ten years, we will be there to report it. Hopefully through our relentless online forum posts, and the use of YouTube videos showing ex-cheerleaders suffering from grotesque neurologic disorders, we can stamp out the scourge of vaccination in our lifetime."
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Someone had commented on my OP that if one of my children developed any complications from their vaccinations I would never report it.
Not so.
My son developed a nagging cough about a week after receiving the H1N1 vaccine. I do think it is possible that this MIGHT be a side effect of the live modified virus used in the intranasal vaccine. (That's why they don't recommend the intranasal for people with asthma.)
And just for the record:
1) I do NOT believe that ANYONE should ever be forced by the government to be vaccinated for ANYTHING.
2) I DO believe (along with Dr. Paul) that the H1N1 vaccination program has been a dismal failure and an example of federal government inefficiency and mismanagement of health care.
3) I DO believe (along with Dr. Paul) that, in general, vaccines are beneficial but MIGHT be over-used.
4) I do NOT believe that everyone should be vaccinated for H1N1. (That is a decision that should be made in consultation with a person's own physician.)
5) I DO believe that most of the anti-vaccination posts on the DailyPaul are a distraction at best and an embarrassment to the liberty movement at worst.
6) I DO believe that most of the medical conspiracy theories proposed on the DP are wildly speculative, histrionic, and do nothing but support the (unfounded) image of the average Campaign For Liberty member as a paranoid, neo-Luddite, kook.
Just for the record.
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What this shill won't tell
What this shill won't tell you is the long-term effects of the vaccine are unknown and sadly there will be people, both adults and children, who won't escape this poison unscathed.
Which version was it?
There are now several versions made by several companies. Which was it? How did you pick?
Look what happened in Germany.
Damage control is the name of the game in Berlin on Monday as politicians rush to deny that they are receiving a better, safer swine flu vaccine than ordinary Germans. The first of 50 million doses arrived in Germany on Monday.
One might think that the arrival in Germany of the first of 50 million doses of swine flu vaccine on Monday might be cause for celebration. But with news breaking over the weekend that top government officials in Berlin will be injected with an alternative vaccine -- one widely seen as safer -- a debate about an alleged two-class medical system has erupted.
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Yeah, right.
1. I question whether any of the above mentioned story is true. Obviously the DP stuff is phony.
2. If it is true what is the source of the story?
Spacehabitats is a physician and was sarcastically regaling us..
...with his account of his children being vaccinated.
(Oops, sorry Patriot below. Typed at the same time.)
The story about the chidren
The story about the chidren are the children of Dr. Spacecadet who is in fact a doctor. He wrote the story about pro fast tracked vaccines.
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I think I'll stick my head back into the sand!!!
That should make this all go away. If you feel safe in getting the vaccine then go for it. When I read posts that try to show freedom of choice as something to mock it makes this veteran wonder why I even served my country. Why don't you get a grip on your fingers before they get broke off. Morons you don't have to agree with anyone on here but when you be-little someones choice like this the shame is all on you!!!
so, if you believe that you are "safe"
so, if you believe that you are safe from getting the flu because you got your vacs, then why would you feel threatened by one who chose not to?
They are 100% safe and affective in your opinion.
I guess the main thing here is, you have your right to be vaccinated BUT others should have the same right NOT to..
Don't ignore the but !!!!!
populations of individuals
From the perspective of populations, forced mass vaccinations are a pretty good idea. If you're taking care of a population of 1000 animals, and a cost benefit analysis reveals that it is more profitable to lose 10 from a vaccination compared to losing 100 from the disease, then you're smart to vaccinate.
The funny thing about people is that we are populations composed of mouthy, arrogant, self-centered, selfish, greedy, individuals with a sense of free will and liberty. Although we herd ourselves into complex social populations, our image of ourselves is that of the self-reliant cowboy independently conquering the open plains.
There's a disconnect between what we really are and what we think we are. For example, if you're opposed to being vulnerable to a forced mass vaccination in your city or town, then leave your city or town. It's really that simple. You're as free as your actions make you.
What's stopping you is the truth: you are as connected to and dependent on your society as a little joey is to the milk in the mother kangaroo's pouch.
Truth?
I guess that's what separates us, truth. Personally, I don't believe anything the government tells me or their media mouthpieces. Apparently, you do. Good luck with that.
me?
I'm not even remotely concerned about swine flu or vaccinations for swine flu. I don't believe any of the hype at all.
1. I don't get the flu because I'm a hermit and I practice good health
2. No one is going to give me a flu shot by force because I'm within walking distance of open land, I've got survival gear and experience
The swine flu seems comparatively harmless and I haven't witnessed any preparations for mass forced vaccinations.
We're all as free as we want to be. Just like your mother told you, it's all about choices.
I misread your post, sorry.
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He's right. It's fine
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Huh?
This is too subtle.
What were we supposed to see in your link?
(I DID try doing a search for "dystonia". No luck.)
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Did you skip Guillain-Barre syndrome for any particular reason?
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Why can't
Any of the mods see that this whole thread and its author are only here to incite a flame war? There is no reason behind calling out those in the movement who are anti vaccine. That is singling people out and beckoning them to come fight.
Oh that's right. With mods like Zenpiper who needs enemies.
Because its not about water filters.
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make
violent revolution inevitable."
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LMAO!!
What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!
Weird, why would someone want to shill for vaccines?
Mind your own f*cking business. Go ahead and shoot your family up with poison, just don't make fun of those of who have a brain.
Yeah, and lots of people survive Russian roulette, but ...
its better if you don't play that game. Its healthier!!!
At least playing Russian roulette once-where/if you survive-doesn't have the potential to kill you in 5, 10 or maybe even 20+ years. Will you be there to report that, too, I wonder??
And while I'm at it, Agent Orange didn't kill my brother three years ago, and my younger brother isn't dying from it now, is he? They both served in Nam in the 60's and according tho their doctors, yes, the govt. is lying and, YES, people are dying from the effects of spraying Agent Orange on them during the war no matter what the govt. wants to own up to!!
i'm not a conspiracy
i'm not a conspiracy theorist, but a realist. If over 99% of those who get the swine flu recover, why vaccinate? Just common sense to me.
For the same reason....
we recommend seasonal flu shots.
"Most people" still leaves tens of thousands of people who die each year from influenza-related illnesses.
We may not know the percentages from the H1N1 strain yet, but it is certainly virulent enough to warrant a VOLUNTARY immunization program.
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Why is it that so many people who apply that rationale...
...reject it when others use that same argument regarding vaccine risks?
How dare you question Dr.
How dare you question Dr. Zhivago on his expert medical study of safe "FAST TRACKED" vaccines. He obviously knows that there is no risk at all with fast tracked vaccines, so why do you question his medical intellect?
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If it was just Dr. Spacehabitats, it wouldn't be so frustrating.
Unfortunately, many followers of vaccine religion only seem to recognize that while most people recover from the illnesses, there are some who do not.
When the same argument is made that while most people may have no problems with vaccines, or at least have no immediate problems that they are able to associate with the vaccine, there are people who do.
People are concerned about that and many would rather not take the risk and also would like to help educate people about risks that the gov't and media are not exactly forthcoming about in their propaganda campaigns.
Yet even though these people use the same rationale as what Spacehabitats did, they are mocked, vilified, and people who do not vaccinate are even being made out to be a threat, accused of putting others at risk.
Go figure. 8/
I agree 100%. common sense
I agree 100%. common sense would tell you it is better to take the risk on catching the virus than it is to take the vaccine for the vaccine could kill you or harm you. The only real argument they have is to say HEY you are putting my family at risk not taking the vaccine, the fact is that if you are vaccinated, how could anyone not vaccinated put you or your family at risk? You would think a doctor would know this wouldn't you think?
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There are some public risks
some unhealthy people, those with compromised immune systems for example, cannot get certain vaccines. Very Young children cannot get certain vaccines, and some vaccines are not 100% effective.
In those cases an un-vaccinated healthy person can be a risk, because they can spread the disease.
Of course, mass vaccinations can lead to rapid evolution of a virus that is undeterred by the vaccination.
Some might argue that the occasional cleaning out of the weaker individuals by a virus leads to a more robust immune system. For example, look at how susceptible the native Americans were to small pox. Of course, that is probably too random for some people.
Could we be setting up future generations for a real killer virus by using mass innoculations against such inconsequential viruses as the Flu ?
Those public risks you mention...
...as with people having compromised immune systems and very young children, are hardly justification for obligating other people to risk their health with vaccines.
Yet that is what we are seeing.
Gov't, schools, and even employers are jumping on that bandwagon and we are seeing people demonized who choose not to vaccinate, not to imply that you were doing that.
Also, as more is being told about the immuno-compromising effects of adjuvants, it has to make one wonder if many of those people you mention above haven't actually acquired their problem because of vaccines.
"Could we be setting up future generations for a real killer virus by using mass innoculations against such inconsequential viruses as the Flu ?"
Good question, Ironman.
If antibiotic resistance can happen because of overuse of antibiotics, why not the same with vaccinations?
How much unnatural assault can one's immune system take before it becomes disrupted and/or ineffective?
Yeah, you'd think.
If the vaccines really worked, those vaccinated wouldn't be at risk of getting from unvaccinated people that which they are vaccinated against.
But sometimes vaccinated populations do get what they are being vaccinated against.
That means that either the vaccines did not work or people were getting the illness FROM the vaccine.
To use flu vaccines as an example, many of us know of people who got sick soon after receiving them. Given that and ~virus shedding~, it's not much of a stretch to say that if either of the two, vaccinated and unvaccinated, are putting people at risk, it would be the vaccinated.
There is also a good
There is also a good argument that the people being vaccinated put healthy people at risk. I can remember when my brother received his chicken pox vaccine and I actually got chickenpox because of him being vaccinated.
When you inject a virus into your body there is always a risk.
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About 1% of measles vaccine receipients get measles
Whcih can infeect other non vaccinated people, especially infants.
Thanks, you just proved my
Thanks, you just proved my point.
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Question
In 2004, when they missed which flu strain it was that would be hitting and, therefore, no one who got the shot was actually vaccinated against the disease in question, why was there no increase in mortality?
If flu vaccines work so well, shouldn't have deaths spiked that year as no one was "protected" by a proper vaccine?
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Of course they should have.
Of course they should have. It is simple math to figure that out.
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Tell it to the girl who can't walk anymore
Maybe you could go laugh in her face. That would be nice wouldn't it?
She is only a statistic, how
She is only a statistic, how dare you question this doctor.
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In other news
People that smoke live a long time
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Dr. Kilgore here should be
Dr. Kilgore here should be proud to use his own children as the test market for a fast tracked vaccine. I would encourage every doctor around the world to utilize all fast tracked drugs and vaccines on their own children and family.
Considering that intellegent doctors understand that the human body immune system is the best defense against the flu not a vaccine and that vaccines especially fast tracked vaccines actually cause more harm than good on various groups of people around the world because they are not throughly tested should tell you, that this doctor listens to the rep selling the vaccines rather than doing the actual research on the dangers of the vaccine itself.
Remember folks, big pharma cares about you and you should trust them 100%
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Where do neurological diseases like
Alzheimer's come from?
Does mercury help in fighting Alzheimer's?
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I was wondering why you didn't make your appearance...
...on Regnad Kcin's latest attack thread on vaccine skeptics.
I see why now. You must've been too busy thinking up ideas for another post in mockery of vaccine victims and those concerned about vaccine risks. :(
When you find out
they are sterile, come and back and act smug and superior again.
May not happen...
I don't wish ill on any child, but if they develop complications later, I don't think he's going to tell us. We still have a long winter ahead of us.
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I'll make sure to let you know.
But even if one of them got Guillain-Barre it wouldn't change numbers that show a net benefit to society from vaccination programs.
Yes, it would be a personal tragedy for our entire family.
But EVERYTHING in medicine comes back to weighing the calculated risks vs. the presumed benefits.
EVERYTHING.
Unfortunately, emotionally charged videos like the dystonic ex-cheerleader story add nothing but anxiety and hysteria to the decision making process.
Think of it as screaming "WE COULD ALL DIE IN THE NEXT FEW SECONDS!!" into the ear of a pilot trying to land an airliner.
True, but not very helpful.
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You may be willing to offer
You may be willing to offer your children on the altar of "public good" but I'm not. I won't go inject them with something I know is harmful to save them from something they may or may not get and, if they do, they may or may not have complications.
Ah, but they took the intranasal vaccine.
Not sure if it works the same way as the tetanus vaccines given to women several years ago that were laced with hCG to sterilize them without their knowledge.
So perhaps the children to whom Dr. Spacehabitats refers may not become sterilized.
Instead, since the intranasal vaccines, as I understand them, consist of live virus, they'll just be running around being potential spreaders of their newly acquired virus to unsuspecting victims.
Wrong.
"they'll just be running around being potential spreaders of their newly acquired virus to unsuspecting victims."
No they won't, because they won't be going around immune-compromised people for at least seven days. The strain that is in the intranasal is weakened. The rest of us shouldn't have any problem.
We WOULD be risk from the wild strain of H1N1.
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If it can be spread to immuno-compromised individuals, well...
You can probably finish that sentence.
Dr. Spacehabitats, you are familiar with ~shedding~, right?
Onionesque...
Onionesque...
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Funny how you on one hand blast those who will
decline a vaccine, and on the other pimp a natural law and natural rights website. Hey doc, I respect your right to vaccinate you and yours, please respect mine not to.
More disinformation..
I have NEVER blasted anyone for refusing a vaccination.
My own wife has chosen NOT to be vaccinated.
That is her right.
And it is anyone's right to refuse any kind of medical care.
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