Are we being used like pawns to end the Fed, only to have it replaced with something more sinister?

We vote FOR the Federal Reserve every time we use a dollar as legal tender. We vote FOR the whole doggone system.

If we really wanted to do something as meaningful as the Boston Tea Party, we'd have to find the will and the means to stop using the US dollar.

Not just as individuals, but as a political movement.

(Oh yeah, I forgot...they've already got us by the balls.)

the other day.

It is a probability. It would be just their tactic to 'morph' into something different only maintain the same ethos. What else can they do since they won't be prosecuted unless there are Congressional hearings with teeth.

http://therootsofchange.c...

i don't think Ron Paul is a part of their scheme. (i hope not).

RP is anti International Monetary Fund and other external financial institutions coming here and he says it clearly.

us 'awakened' folk will be anti-IMF as well... it's the sheep who will gladly accept the "solutions".

i'll have a hunch that they'd say something like: The Federal Reserve and IMF will be working hand-in-hand to resolve this crisis.... blah blah blah.

is what they want us to be.
They call the tune, and we dance.

The way out is to be pro-active.
Don't let them call the tune.
Make our own tune, and let them know we aren't about to dance to theirs.

Throw out the Fed and the IMF, and tell them all to go to hell.
Whoever doesn't like it, can bring what they've got to try to tell us no.

It's known as "standing up to the bully" and saying "we're not gonna take it anymore," and from here on in, we're calling our own tune.

They'd totally shit. They can't handle that. They don't have the capability.

Please remember that the global elite,is not homogenous nor monolithic. several factions exist, each with their own interpretation of the "New World Order" idea whose roots reach as far as the "Atlantean" civilization described by Plato.

Many of these factions have their own messiah's and frontmen. Each bent on creating/unifying the world under THEIR power.Them on top.

And under the philosophical thesis[or guides] of Manly P. Hall,of the "New Atlantis"[wc they believe America is],The final nation who consolidates the world under it HAS TO BE DESTROYED to make way for the NEW WORLD ORDER--a "Phoenix from the ashes".

----so, yes, efforts by other NWO factions to unseat America as the premiere nation is there,and some NWO of America are still bent on being a world order with America on top.

But remember, if Ron Paul successfully audits and abolishes the USFederal Reserve,it would take away the current FUNDING of perpetual wars and debt, the pillar that supports the transfer to a single world government-----which is still premature.

Remove the funding mechanism,remove the means for a final push----thats why the american citizenry has to be WEAKENED thru debt and population reduction---because the destruction of America to make way for the NWO cannot happen if the current citizens are still able to fight back. [like gun confiscation]

----the IMF cannot supersede and thereby replace the FEDReserve now,so,if it is destroyed, IMF goes along with it.

God Bless you all in your efforts

I think the current warmongering of the US could also be a step to making peaceful Americans accept an international justice system.

Free yourself.

End the Bush Administration. We need change.

I've been saying for months on these forums that Ron Paul's statement of "End the Fed" is a negative statement that leaves it wide open for manipulation. We need a positive statement, such as "fully reserved gold standard" -- but more catchy.

you never know what hydrogen atoms are going to collide and fuze together in the sub to make helium and a shit ton of energy. You never know what nature has up her sleeve next. There are certain things nobody can control. Human Action Is one of them...hell they can't even predicted try as they may, but hayek and Mises have proven it to be impossible or at least completely illogical.

There is one giant problem with all conspiracy theories. One I never let out of my brain. You are giving the conspirators too much credit. No one can Control the world. No one person is smart enough to do it nor has a group of people to do it. Iam not saying they aren't people out trying but if they are then they are certifiable and should be institutionalized because it ain't going to happen.

With that said. Yes the NWO wants to replace the fed with something else. They always have. That's why they bankrupted it in the first place. They want it to fail so they can step in and take advantage of the emergency situation. But we got to be there to say no! They will say they know whats best for us, but we have to be smart enough to show them into the asylum.

We loose, they get their global bank and government...we win the fight for freedom will just have begun b/c it will be us against the rest of the non 3rd world. Coincidences my friend, they can't be running the entire show, you never know when they might trip and fall.

RP has been singing this song for 30 years and NOW when the dollar is collapsing already he starts to get some play?

I think your dead on, we just need to make sure that a SOLID alternative to a new FIAT currency is waiting in the wings.

its too late to nationalize the fed, and even if we did, where would that get us? the same corrupt washington crew would still be pulling the strings, just froma different angle.

I don't know the answer to this, but I do know that the fed is obviously done with the dollar and does not care what happens to it, crashing multiple currencies with the dollar seems to be the goal now and the only reason I can think of is a global currency (though I was sure an "amero" like currency would be an interum step between now and global money, but who knows, maybe 2012 is a real date and they are stepping on the gas)

“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato

Ron Paul has been "played" or is a willing participant in playing US!

Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Yâ-hwéh Yâhuwshúa`, The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave

"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17

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that is the only reason they let the audit get attention. They are done with the FED they no longer need it so who cares if they lose it. they have bigger orgs now like the imf waiting for total control

Then their goals would already have been accomplished.

Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Yâ-hwéh Yâhuwshúa`, The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave

"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17

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foist upon us or especially one that we are trying to implement.

The Fed has been with us for almost 100 years. A vacuum will be created when it is gone (hopefully), and we will be left with a void of sorts. There are so many corrupt people in Washington that there is no way to know what kind of corruption could take its place, if we let that occur.

Like the Con-Con, this is a double-edged sword.
However, one thing at a time. Let's first get rid of the Fed, and then make sure that honesty, sound money practices, openness, and hard currency follow.

That was the plan from the begining. This will be the nail in th coffin, that will usher in communism of the likes americans cannot comprehend. The only answer is the Judicial system, while we still have the opportunity. We must find a way to restore common law, back to it's proper function. Their goals here are to do away with trail by jury, and only have the laws of commerce. This is why we are witnessing the police state. It's so obvious, it's scary.

has said this was the plan.

here is a link to his book: Secrets of the Federal Reserve, here:

http://www.the7thfire.com...

Because things can then be anticipated from every angle.

Even though I haven't studied the Hegelian DiaIectic, I too thought the same thing as I'm sure so many others did too.

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom." Patrick Henry

destroying the fed can be blamed on gold bugs in order to justify a word currency, much like how the fed was created, originally.

That is why I avoid those threads.

Does anyone really think the powers that be don't already have something waiting in the wings?

I, too, doubt if RP is in on some evil scheme. I definitely agree that we are seeing hegelian dialectic in action, though.

Thank you for having the guts to raise the question.

I know you have probably read it... but re-read SectionVI , if you still have a copy! Read The Doomsday Mechanisms (starts at pg 507) Then read the 16 steps under A Plan for Eliminating the Fed ( starts page 573)

It would be a good idea if everyone re-read those parts right now! See what "The Club of Rome" CFR, NWO has planned for us in the Doomsday Mechanisms chapter. Everything that is happening is going just as they have planned..including the Revolutionary Movements (page 546)

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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

They are always seeking the way to use anything and everything. Covered in detail here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...

and changing the sign on the front door. That's what they do whenever they're on the verge of being in the spotlight.

If we allow the same psychopathic generational Satanists the "privilege" of printing money from thin air, they will still be our masters, and we will still be in the same situation we're in now.

With the others, I've thought about this too...

Same with the Gold Standard, the Bank of London back just before the Revwar, gold standard alone won't fix anything.

They make these plans and wait for an event and have these plans ready to roll out. That I've seen, we don't have a solid plan, and when an event happens I don't know that we know how to slip our plan in as the plan to go off of instead of Theirs.

"WE"!? Me... What's with this "we" business mwiegand? Speak for yourself.

Edit: add the constitutional convention to something that sounds good at first but can be taken over with bad results

There is no substitute for eternal vigilance. The fight won't be "over" with an ending of the Fed. Ron Paul has stated this repeatedly, as have many others.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

But that's why we need to have a plan. That said, I wouldn't burn FRNs just yet, there is a long road to get rid of the FED and we have just begun. Currently it is being removed from the world market and being replaced by SDRs.
grant

I've considered...

I also think I heard Dr. Paul said that we have to be careful not to go with a International IMF banksters. It is VERY important as we explain this to people that they understand that ending the FED does NOT make IMF an option. Thanks, for bringing this up because it is important. Stay alert, question everything.

Bring on the special forces needed to end the "powers that be". Checkmate.

In actuality...

End the Fed...bring on the neutron bomb.

Still interested?

Gut check.

As long as we can get more and more people to recognize that the problems they face are simply due to government, rather than due to what exact people happen to be in government at any given time, they won't be willing to vote for any sinister replacement for the Fed nor anything. As long as they persists, as many do now, in believing government was bad because Bush was bad, is bad becasue Obama is bad, or for that matter Bernanke is bad, we'll remain forever stuck in a revolving door of working to throw one "bad" guy out, only to have him replaced by another. We have to get it through to their thick heads that "the" government is bad because all government is bad.Or at least 90+% of it.

It doesnt matter. We need the possibility of ending the Fed to occur before we can even make a real dent. After that, there should be some sort of period where the issue of Central Banking in general will be debated.

I dont think we are being "used", because the original plan was just to collapse the dollar which would then necessitate a reform/global central bank. Just because our actions coincide just this once doesnt mean it will later on.

If anything very troubling is uncovered by an audit of the Fed, I believe that would both put the Fed on very shaky ground (in terms of being ended) and it would make a lot of people very skeptical about even considering another new bank to take its place.