912 Group Member: "I feel cheated that I was led to believe Ron Paul was a kook during the campaign."
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Thu, 10/29/2009 - 12:05
This was the comment of an Orange County 9/12 Project group member after watching the Ron Paul grassroots documentary For Liberty How the Ron Paul Revolution Watered the Withered Tree of Liberty at its West Coast Premier.
It changed my mind about Ron Paul - I feel cheated that I was led to believe he was a kook during the campaign. Republicans should stand up and take notice of how he was able to rally people under 40. I look at the monthly agenda of the Orange County Republican Party and just have to shake my head at the luncheons and library meetings. I came out of last year's election cycle wanting to be more involved and to just do something, so I joined the Tea Party movement. Now I wish I had taken a second look at Ron Paul's campaign. But Fox News totally marginalized him and I bought into it. Can we still make a difference in this government? I hope so....I am no longer going to take any media at face value, not even Fox News, which I am a big fan of, and I am not going to toe the Party line. Maybe I am a Libertarian or am I just an American?
Read more opinions on the film from 9/12 Project members at the Orange County 9/12 Project Meetup page, on the right hand side of the site. People are now recognizing that they have been scammed by both the GOP and media, and this film has the power to show them how.
Another example:
"We were surprised that Hannity and Glenn Beck were critical of Ron Paul since they both claim to be Libertarians."
Ha ha ha. Read them all. People are waking up. By sharing our experience of the Ron Paul Revolution, this film is a tremendous teaching tool. Have you seen it yet? Get a copy and watch it with your neocon friends. Organize a local showing.
If you're looking for a documentary that is both informative and empowering, this is it.
Help the filmmakers, Chris Rye & Corey Kealiher, enter it into film festivals:
People need to take responsibility for themselves.
It is not like there weren't enough people screaming that the msm doesn't tell the truth. Signs everywhere. Dr. Paul on debates. Sure people were duped, if they allowed it.
Too bad you missed it...
It was one great ride from start to finish (The Rally for the Republic in Minneapolis-which was the birth of the Campaign for Liberty).
But be advised that a lot of the 9/12 bunch don't REALLY get it anyway.
It seems to me that the majority are rank Republicans of the type who consider Ron Paul supporters to be nutbags.
And many of whom supported McCain and used Nazi-like tactics on the Ron Paul Delegates to the Republican National Convention going on in St.Paul--just a few miles across town from the Dr. Paul's Rally at the Target Center.
Their main disagreement from regular Republicans is on foreign policy, but Dr. Paul is absolutely correct on this issue and if you can't understand that then you are no Ron Paul supporter.
But it's not too late to become enlightened and spread the word of this site and the Freedom message.
Welcome!
Pawnstorm
I always find it interesting....
to look at the difference between a picture of a Ron Paul gathering..... and a 9/12 or Townhall meeting. The Ron Paul "group" looks YOUNG and VIBRANT and ALIVE. The 9/12 and Townhall groups always seem to be a sea of arthritic, overweight, grey headed people.. Now there is nothing wrong with grey hair (GOSH, I HOPE not!)..... but what I'm saying is that there is a changeover happening. From the old to the young... from the old Party leadership to a new group.
THIS ALSO can cause fear and distrust in those who have been around a while and have (in their minds) been the movers and shakers of their party. If one is already feeling vulnerable to age and mortality, then ANY "whacky" behavior by the new bunch can easily turn one off. Young people do things in different ways, and change is always scary.
I guess I'm just saying that we have to remember to TALK TO OUR AUDIENCE in terms (and appearances) that they will accept. Loud modern music blaring, megaphones screaming in one's face, and scruffy, "scary" looking people cannot get through to the Geritol crowd. Just something to think about if we want to increase our numbers......
_________
A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land,
Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods,
But It Is A Principle......
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle .
- George William Curtis
****
A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land, Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods, But It Is A Principle...
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle - George William Curtis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCYr8TWAGn0&feature=related
"We" gave them the ammunition to marginalize Ron Paul
We did it.
Sure, they ran with it. They plastered up the fringiest of fringe images to associate with Ron Paul. They're guilty of portraying him in a false light by associating him with the 9/11 truthers, etc.
But we LET them do it because we don't take responsibility for our image.
Every time I come on a forum like this and preach about responsibility and keeping the movement "on message," a few of the destructive and misguided fringers will yell and scream and misappropriate words like "freedom" and "censorship."
The funny thing is, when I used to address the Meetups face to face I saw nothing but nodding heads. Everyone was on board, or at least recognized that everyone else was on board, so they'd be isolated if they tried showing up at rallies with 9/11 propaganda. Sure, at really BIG events, you'd see a small number of fringe elements. But online, it seems like they're bolder and unapologetic.
I guess the internet gives more cover people who don't want to be responsible and accountable. I'd like to see the Mike Lawsons, Jiminy Crickets, and paul4wons of the world object at an in-person Meetup where 39 of the 40 people there want to focus on mainstream liberty issues and not put together slim jims about the Bilderberg group for election day. "Don't intrude on my freedom with your 'let's stay focused' fascism, mannnnn!" Right. Whatever.
Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views...Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. - SCotUS, 1995
Where go they
Go I.
"I'd like to see the Mike Lawsons, Jiminy Crickets, and paul4wons of the world object at an in-person Meetup where 39 of the 40 people there want to focus on mainstream liberty issues and not put together slim jims about the Bilderberg group for election day."
They all indulge in intelligent conversation and debate.
The freedom movement is about far more than you realize.
Mainstream issues can be discussed anywhere.
What is different about Dailypaul is that here we can have discussions with like-minded people about topics beyond the mainstream as well.
Some of us are capable of discussing both.
But just because you fail to see the relevance of some things talked about here does not mean they are not relevant.
Btw, Ron Paul is not exactly considered mainstream and is referred to as "fringe" by many.
WCU4Paul, not all of us have a one-track mind. The people you listed can and do talk about a variety of things.
YOU, however, seem incapable of posting anything but criticism and insults.
If you are so concerned about image, you might want to take a moment to reflect on that.
Also, since you decided to take another potshot at Mike Lawson, I will point out to you again, as I did on the "generals" thread, that Michael Nystrom referred to Lawson as a huge asset to the DP.
Please step out of your sour mood and at least consider why he might say that.
P.S. I'm flattered that you put me in such good company as Paul4won and Lawson. So for that, thanks.
Fringe issues can be discussed elsewhere
There are dedicated forums for 9/11 truth, conspiracies, etc.
What is different about DailyPaul is that it's a website for restoring constitutional liberty. It's a website about Ron Paul (hence the name), for like-minded people interested in his political objectives.
I have a one-track mind? Search my history. I've discussed a variety of topics. I've posted constructive material. But the movement has fractured.
So go ahead, twist everything around. Make it sound like I'm calling these issues "irrelevant" or that I'm "incapable" of discussing them, when really this is about staying on message and keeping this movement coherent.
I suggest you look up "mission creep." It's what the fringers are engaging in. Well, that and entryism. They're hijacking this movement. Are they legitimate members of it? Some are, sure. I know a lot of loyal Ron Paul supporters who also have interest in various "fringe" topics. But the good ones - the loyal ones - can keep those interests separate.
So go ahead and insult me for not being able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Brag about how you've sold Michael Nystrom on your destructive take, and how he's made the mistake of allowing you to hijack this forum and complemented one of the most cancerous individuals on the site. While I've long admired Michael's dedication and perseverance, I also gave up on him over the past year. Sometimes people lose their way. It's usually not a complete 180, and in this case it's just allowing certain elements to lead you down an inefficient, self-destructive path.
Mark my words: the fringe elements will set this movement back 10 years. We have a unique opportunity brewing that could start to bear electoral fruit over the next few cycles, which could then lead to even bigger victories down the road. But the fringers will short circuit all of that.
It's time for everyone - fringer and mainstream - to ask themselves what side they're on.
* Do you want to focus on winning and building this movement, which requires sticking to issues that can grow our movement? Putting liberty-minded individuals in seats of power can then help us all achieve our goals (even the fringers who want more disclosure and re-investigations).
or
* Do you want to use this movement to spread your fringe messages, knowing full well that this will alienate many both inside the movement and outside of it who could help us grow, thereby making our prospects for success much bleaker?
Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views...Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. - SCotUS, 1995
How about
How about anarcho-capitalism? This site has all but endorsed that view(see blogs).
Ron Paul is the one that brought up the NAU/NWO.
I disagree that conspiracy theorists/anarchists had any negative effect on the actual campaign, but we should be on guard in the future.
Ventura 2012
WCU4Paul, please try to understand that not everyone...
...has the same interests. What might trigger one person's awakening might not be the same for another.
It is not necessary to put a dividing line down the middle of the movement. Since pretty much everything about it has been determined to be "fringe" anyway, including Ron Paul, who decides what makes the cut? You?
As I've tried to tell you, just because you don't see the relevance of some topics to the restoration of Constitutional liberty does not mean they are not relevant.
Maybe there are forums dedicated to specific things, such as 9/11 truth as you mention, but there is no need to try to put people in boxes. The problems we face are multifaceted and we can discuss them here.
We share and learn here. We even have a bit of fun in fellowship here. Sometimes we squabble here. But regardless of which end of the fringe spectrum we're on, most of us are here for a common reason.
WCU4Paul, please do not be hardhearted toward fellow patriots.
Wonder how they will feel when they learn Beck lies about 9-11?
Epiphanies are a dime a dozen. Stare down the truth, realize your life was a lie, your parent's lives were lies, and your grandparents had everything they earned stolen from them. Come to understand that TV that Beck beckons from is still a lie, that it was conceived and executed as a means to control your mind. Turn it off for a year, watch the world go through the seasons and realize how many times you missed the first snowfall, the first daffodil. Go read the stories of Barry Jennings and Beverly Eckert. Think how they felt, dying to get the world to look at 9-11, and now Beck waves a flag of "9-12." Then tell me about "feeling cheated."
Maybe Im Just an American....
is finally getting thru to the common joe and joann. Yes we are all Americans, and we need to stop dividing and conquering ourselves. We allow the fear the globalistas put inside our heads to demoralize us and paralyze us into doing NOTHING.
Stop believing in the presstitutes and prostiticians that work for the gangster bankers and NOT America. One day we will have a real tea party, a real revolution to bring these parasites back under control.
RB
I don't understand the Huck's Army nonsense to the side of this
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
link to the group. Is this to get people to Huckleberry, or from Huckleberry to Ron Paul. I am not questioning the poster of this thread, I am questioning the originator of this site that the link brings us to.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
join the group and influence
join the 9.12 groups and influence them! Donate to them so they can enter it into film festivals!!!
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?ref=profile&id=1000007...
C4L: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/user/Son_Of_Liberty/
Digg: http://digg.com/users/tkubic46
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/tkubic46
Xbox: ThePoliceState
Steam:
Have You Joined Your Local 9/12 Meetup Group Yet?.....
If you haven't ..now is the time!
Contact the organizers and offer a movie night, ask them to put it on the group calendar - at your place, a college campus or even a local theater - I've rented a theater room before - alot of smaller theaters offer private showings with a movie you provide..seems like a good time to do it again!
Vote em all out! - http://www.teabombs.com/
Dr. Paul has won.
He has started a liberty movement that has perhaps never been seen in decades. I believe this will be his legacy.
*******
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi
What a perfect timing was this video...Perfect timing
all that work ....climaxes on "For Liberty" and 912. LOL
what a way for it to work.....Fox tried to deceive the people against but handed Ron Paul and his movement the perfect opportunity. This can only be an Act of God.
Every GOP meeting should be watered with the "For Liberty" showing. Red Pill for Liberty.
we should make an
American party.
God bless this man!!!
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul 2012
For Liberty
is a great movie. We need to spread it far and wide.
"Doing nothing is almost always an option and is very often the best option." Daniel Hannan
"Doing nothing is almost always an option and is very often the best option." Daniel Hannan
Donate!
This must reach the masses through film festivals!!!!
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/#/profile.php?ref=profile&id=1000007...
C4L: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/user/Son_Of_Liberty/
Digg: http://digg.com/users/tkubic46
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/tkubic46
Xbox: ThePoliceState
Steam:
I think that Fox News
is probably quite aware at this time that they marginalized Dr. Paul, who wa the only candidate that turned out to be right about everything, and all the other candidates that Fox overtly promoted turned out to be worthless turds.
I think everybody else is now also aware of that.
Fox is basically "The War Channel". They live to promote more wars for the US to fight for Israel.
Neo-Cons. Fakes. Infiltrators.
Dr. Paul wasn't "pro-war", so they spurned him. Simple as that.
I'd like to see some competition from a real paleo-conservative news channel, that aligns with Dr Paul's positions.
I have to disagree that Fox "marginalized" Paul.
He wasn't put in one of the debates because he was polling less than 5%. He wasn't the only Republican excluded because of that.
Hannity said something about not believing one of the text polls for a debate, but I have to agree with him because it wasn't a scientific poll. Obviously, otherwise Dr. Paul would have been winning primaries. Hannity disagrees with Dr. Paul over foreign policy, but so what?
Beck attacked followers of Dr. Paul, not Dr. Paul himself, because Beck was receiving violent threats. I think people are hesitant to bring Dr. Paul on for interviews because if they interviewer doesn't bow down to everything Dr. Paul says then they start receiving death threats.
You may be able to find select things that some commentator might have said that was negative, but overall I don't think it's true that Fox News in general marginalized him. I think they gave him more interviews and publicity than any other network.
This thing about singling out Fox for attack is ridiculous. It's the same thing the Obama administration does. They don't attack any other news network for being biased, only Fox.
I'm sure what I'm saying is politically incorrect here, and I'm going to attacked for not going along with the mob, but it's how I see it.
By the way the text above appears to me to be from a Paul supporter pretending to be a 9/12'er. It's too predictable.
That's my take.
Paul was marginalized by Fox
every time Fox opened their mouths.
Dr Paul was definitely marginalized during the
campaign.
Having followed nearly all of the campaign trail, many here will remember how he was treated, ridiculed with the questions asked if they would allow him to be interviewed, omitting his name off scoring boards, or missing among the available Republican candidates, and yes, not invited for one of the debates. One?? ummm.. I do remember there were more occasions. All in all, Mainstream media together with the Republican Party gave Ron Paul the shabbiest of treatments.
I have the impression you weren't around here on the Daily Paul during the Presidential campaign. If you were, you would never forget how Dr. Paul was treated.
death threats?
death threats are an unfortunate aspect the rich and famous will always have to live with...
for you to use them here is, in my opinion, a form of terrorism towards a movement you wish to see stalled...
sorry, this movement won't be slowed, please try again...
O Captain! My Captain! Rise up and hear the bells!
O Captain! My Captain! Rise up and hear the bells!
I was a Sheeple during the
I was a Sheeple during the Primaries and I specifically remember my friends trying to get me to look at Ron Paul and Hannity from Fox and Beck from CNN both Pooh-Pooed him big time! I am sorry I bought into their lies. Assuming there is a next time, Ron Paul will be my Pesident!
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson
The Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper- G W Bush
someone needs to go to
~
... The Daily Paul Community College ...
Media Caught Lying, Version2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iW5kOB1pmg
Comparison of Candidate Meetup Maps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZngnWAQfM0
Ron Paul Wins Fox News Poll; Fox Lies About Results
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/1906
What election were you watching???
They didn't marginalize him? If that's 'how you see it" get some glasses.
or better yet
re-watch the debates that had Ron Paul in them... the behavior of these 'wanna be's' is so far from Presidential it's pathetic....
Simple question
I know that you have difficulty answering simple, yes or no questions, but I'll give it a shot anyway.
Did you watch the film?
HAHAHA FLAME I KNEW IT WAS
HAHAHA FLAME I KNEW IT WAS YOU!!!!
Even though I sort of agreed with you on the corporations thread, I was starting to wonder. It just seemed like an old FLAME thread.
If I see one more post of this nature I will report you to Michael.
CNN gave Ron Paul the most coverage, by far. Props to Wolf Blitzer.
Ventura 2012
Maybe, maybe not
As has been demonstrated time and again, the establishment press is no stranger to corruption and dishonesty. Frankly, you'd have to be addicted to Kool-Aid to believe any public opinion polls where the authority of the regime is threatened.
The fact is, Ron Paul WAS marginalized by the entire mainstream media, even while he was electrifying record-turnout audiences wherever he spoke. And unlike those of his partisan competitors, none of his supporters were bussed in, or paid a day's wage to attend his rallies.
That, my friend, is evidence of a wildly popular candidate!
Imagine if Rush Limbaugh or Fox News had supported him!
I dare say, were corruption not rampant in the world, Ron Paul would have won the presidency by the largest margin in American history. Of course, were corruption that limited, there would never have been a need for a Ron Paul!
I have to disagree with you
But that's only because I was paying attention at the time. It's one of the things that woke me up about Fox. I loved Fox. I trusted Hannity, Carl... now I dislike them both for the dishonesty.
Huckabee even spoke up about it at the time during one of the debates. Ugh, the "debates". And then those "Unanimous" state primaries for McCain, Bull.
It's not that you're being Politically incorrect, you're just incorrect, on this. I don't blame you though. This is what's taught in mainstream media.
They're fair. He's a kook. Bull. And Bull.
The evidence is all over the place if you look. People have done studies lol...
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-silen...
"Well we decided to look into this. So what we did was a raw Google search of how many times each of the Republican candidates have been mentioned on some of the popular news media. Click on the numbers to see the exact search string we used to determine the entries to the table."
Their numbers for FOX:
Mitt, 13,000
Rudy, 6,570
McCain, 4,060
Fred, 1,860
Huck, 1,030
Tancredo, 755
Brownback, 670
Hunter, 502
Paul, 248
Look at the studies of the guys looking at the web trends. Fox was not honest at ALL. Oh, and how "fair" were those 248? Not very.
How many times did a talking head say "why doesn't anyone talk about X" or "where is a congressman who will address Y" and they's say there are none, when there IS one. Only NOW have I heard Some say "well other than Ron Paul".
Just Bull. Marginalized is a nice way of saying what they did to the guy. I'll never forget it.
THIS post says it all. I'm
THIS post says it all. I'm with you. I too, will never forget it.
Im sorry..
but you are incorrect.
Start here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlacFmRGPgI
I cancelled my cable because of the CENSORSHIP in its rebroadcast of the debate. Of all the media outlets, I enjoy FOX the most, but I will never give them another dime. Ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ
Carlin...
Are you anti-war or pro-interventionism?
The reason I ask is because Dr. Paul was marginalized by FOX and other media outlets for a simple reason. Dr Paul was and is the only Republican candidate who is anti-war, believes in noninterventionist foreign policies, and would shrink the military-industrial complex.
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
Why do you find it necessary
Why do you find it necessary to defend and promote Fox News here? They are a part of the main stream media (more popular than MSNBC, CNN, etc.), and therefore part of the problem. The damn problems didn't start when Obama was elected. GWB was just as bad as Obama, if not worse, because his campaign duped hundreds of thousands of evangelicals into voting for him. You have the right to think that Fox News is wonderful and great, but we also have the right to disagree with your opinion vehemently. I was an avid supporter of Dr. Paul back in '07. I was here, avidly supporting the campaign. Where were you and who did you support?
Ron Paul 2008!
If I'm right about who
If I'm right about who Carlin really is, he is the one who said that Fox is a free market news outlet because they read scripts verbatim from the White House during the Bush years, lol.
Ventura 2012
Frankly... the past is the past.... this Forum Topic is about
a possible tool for the future. AND it was one of the attendees that said this about FOX, whom, we must assume was telling their honest impressions. Having read some of your other posts it seems you are not entirely comfortable here on this forum. Are you here against your will?
I would suggest we all concentrate on "For Liberty" having the effect it is having and think of ways to use it rather than arguing about the past. Lets look FORWARD for our solutions.
_________
A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land,
Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods,
But It Is A Principle......
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle .
- George William Curtis
****
A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land, Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods, But It Is A Principle...
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle - George William Curtis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCYr8TWAGn0&feature=related
Ron Paul...
...was gleefully and continuously marginalized by most media outlets, including Fox.
As a member of the DP family of
2 weeks and 5 days I have to believe that your eyes are now open. I lived the disparaging conduct of the media. Fox, Matthews, MSM period did not want the truth. They wanted ratings and advertising dollars. By the way the text above appears to me to be from a shill wanting to ruin our country. To whom is your allegiance. The Neo Cons both the democrats and their buddies the neo con republicans. Which is it you work for. Fox maybe!
I would like to know where you stand!
Yes, you managed to get me in an irate monologue but, you sir, madam, shill need to understand that most of us here on the DP lived it. You are misguided and wrong.
An Oath once taken must live for Eternity!
LMAO
Who do I make the check out to when I get to your bridge?
Tango Romeo Oscar Lima Lima
≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make
violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make
violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
WSJ
Murdoch's Wall Street Journal definitely marginalized Ron Paul. They covered the other candidates in news stories. They didn't cover RP in news stories. They did have editorials about RP in which they marginalized him.
I told WSJ I would drop their paper if they kept spinning their coverage. I dropped the paper.
You are wrong. I don't watch
You are wrong. I don't watch TV. But I did watch all the youtube videos of Fox coverage during the campaign from mid 2007 till 2008. I lived and breathed anything and everything on the MSM about Ron Paul. And he was marginalized consistently. It's not a matter of being political correct here. I would have given anything to hear positive coverage on Dr. Paul. But at every turn you would hear all manner of snide comments and negative coverage. Trust me. I know this to be true.
BS!
What was Fred Thompson polling? Ron Paul got more primary votes than 3 of the others in the debate where he was excluded.
BTW, it was not his polling numbers they gave as the reason, it was that there was not enough room at the table they were using for 6 chairs. When you watched you could see that the table was made to seat 6.
When you have a phone in poll, where only one vote per phone number is allowed, and then claim the results are not accurate and toss out the winner, that is LYING! If the argument is the poll was spammed, which it could not have been, then you have to assume the other data could have been spammed too and throw out the entire poll.
I'm sorry, but I lived through those days. I followed the media blacklisting very closely. I saw media outlets repeating AP news stories, but omitting Ron Paul's name from those stories. I know for a FACT my local FOX affiliate was barred from speaking Ron Paul's name on air or covering anything to do with him.
As far as Beck, he DID attack Ron Paul personally. Read this: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/phillips3.html
Your post really pisses me off. I KNOW what happened, this is no conspiracy theory. It is conspiracy FACT!
I'm not a part of any mob, but I'm also not a blind moron.
Hear! Hear!
...
Give Peace a Chance - John Lennon
http://www.enduswars.org/
Do you deny that the 6 at the table
were the 6 highest polling candidates? Look at the other candidates excluded, such as Keyes or the other Thompson? Why aren't you upset them being excluded?
The phone poll is accurate for what it is, of being a measure of people who call in, but it's not accurate as being a correct survey of the public. That's what Hannity was saying. It's not a scientific poll. It doesn't reflect the sentiment of the general public.
This is a case of misdirected anger, based on conspiracy theorizing. This happens way to much among Paul supporters. It's not productive. This is exactly what the Obama administration is trying to do now. They're attacking Fox News to get people angry at Fox so they can cause a distraction to pass their agenda. We do it to ourselves if we focus anger on Fox News for supposedly marginalizing Dr. Paul.
if your basing your opinion
on Fox's treatment of Ron Paul on this single event, you have an extremely limited understanding of what took place.
The dismantling of Dr. Paul's momentum took place way before this "debate", and it was relentless and consistent.
I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't been closely watching, it's a bitch when you finally realize everything you believe comes from a box in the corner of the family room.
The morning after the Iowa caucus, I turned on my local news station. Dr. Paul had taken 10% of the vote in Iowa. The night before one Fox reporter had mentioned this and you could visibly see the attempts of the others to steer away from discussing this. So I get up, turn on the TV to see the results on my local station and wouldn't you know, Ron Paul's name wasn't even listed, Rudy got 3% and he was up there, they all were except Ron Paul.
At that moment I knew; I think, and do, and vote for, whoever is in charge of telling my local station not to mention Ron Paul's 10%. They tell me what to think, what to do, who to vote for. It's not reporting, it's controlling.
Mis-directed anger
Plenty of people were upset that other candidates were excluded.
However..Expending lots of energy towards those who are actually competitors would be an example of your misdirected anger.
They had supporters..Why weren't they speaking up? Maybe it just wasn't in our best interest to create sympathy towards an opponent. there is strategy involved you know.
Learn to read
I made my points about who was at the table and what Hannity did.
Let me make this simple.
Hannity tossed the top vote getter in that poll and reported the 2nd place vote getter as the winner.
There were 5 at the table not 6. Ron Paul was polling 8%. Fred Thompson 2%. Fred Thompson was there, Ron Paul was not.
Ron Paul's polling number had doubled in one month. Thompson's had dropped by half. Even Giuliani's and McCain's polling numbers had dropped.
Ron Paul was gaining momentum. The others were losing it.
Don't believe me? Check this then http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/FOX_NH-2_DEC_RELEASE_WEB...
The marginalization, exemption, and defamation are what stalled the momentum.
CONSPIRACY FACT.