he is particularly admonishing of just a "piece of paper" used as a social contract. but, how, other than social contract does he imagine people will adhere to his utopian body and land rights?
in other words, if contracts have demonstrated that they won't work, then they have demonstrated that it won't work. he can't have it both ways. it is not as if in a totally anarchy, people will suddenly respect social contracts more than we did in the past.
i did not watch the rest of the debate, but in the end, my message to anarchists is this:
Anarchy cannot be the goal. Do not advocate anarchy. Rather, let enlightenment be the goal, and anarchy the consequence.
Only voluntary contracts should be recognized. But even then, if we are already forced into a fraudulent monetary system then should any contract under that system be valid? I think not.
...but voluntarily SIGNED contracts. Just to make everything perfectly (and genuinely) "legal." There's no such legitimate thing as a "social contract." Especially when nobody has signed it, and half of the parties to it flagrantly ignore it...
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Ron Paul = Red Pill
1.You cant criticize the Constitution like anarchists do and still say that it is the perfect minarchist experiment.
2. He makes the case that the supply of taxable income necessitates a growth in the size/scope of government. It in no way necessitates a growth in the scope of government. Neither does it necessitate a growth in the size of government . Molyneux is focusing 100% on supply and ignoring demand.
3. His words regarding the Constitution as "just a piece of paper" apply to any contract(no, I'm not saying that the Constitution is a contract). Of course you need the threat of force to back up any agreement.
I wont bother watching the Badnark part, assuming it is online. I listened to one of their debates and Badnarik was uninformed on the issue. Honestly, the only two minarchists that have read enough anarchist material to give a coherent critique seem to be myself and Octobox. Until one of us gets the status or confidence to end up in such a debate, there will probably never be a good one between minarchists/anarchists.
Especially if Molyneux continues to be the anarchist. He is good. Requires real concentration to pick out the meat of what he is saying amongst the entertainment and cute accent. One of the biggest problems with his argument is that it never happens.
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Ron Paul = Red Pill
"Full audio of the debate available at http://fdrurl.com/phillyd... .
Debate at Drexel University, 2009. "How Much Government is Necessary?"
First rebuttal of the minarchist position by Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio. More of the debate can be posted if people are interested."
I thought that was what you were looking for, but I was probably wrong again...
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"Let them protest all they want, as long as they pay their taxes.” ...credited to Al Haig, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State. http://groups.yahoo.com/g... http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Ron Paul = Red Pill
very interesting
few comments
he is particularly admonishing of just a "piece of paper" used as a social contract. but, how, other than social contract does he imagine people will adhere to his utopian body and land rights?
in other words, if contracts have demonstrated that they won't work, then they have demonstrated that it won't work. he can't have it both ways. it is not as if in a totally anarchy, people will suddenly respect social contracts more than we did in the past.
i did not watch the rest of the debate, but in the end, my message to anarchists is this:
Anarchy cannot be the goal. Do not advocate anarchy. Rather, let enlightenment be the goal, and anarchy the consequence.
Only voluntary contracts
Only voluntary contracts should be recognized. But even then, if we are already forced into a fraudulent monetary system then should any contract under that system be valid? I think not.
And not just voluntary contracts...
...but voluntarily SIGNED contracts. Just to make everything perfectly (and genuinely) "legal." There's no such legitimate thing as a "social contract." Especially when nobody has signed it, and half of the parties to it flagrantly ignore it...
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"Let them protest all they want, as long as they pay their taxes.” ...credited to Al Haig, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State.
http://groups.yahoo.com/g...
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Ron Paul = Red Pill
He puts the small government right in front of Badnarik
Funny!!
Comments: 1.You cant
Comments:
1.You cant criticize the Constitution like anarchists do and still say that it is the perfect minarchist experiment.
2. He makes the case that the supply of taxable income necessitates a growth in the size/scope of government. It in no way necessitates a growth in the scope of government. Neither does it necessitate a growth in the size of government . Molyneux is focusing 100% on supply and ignoring demand.
3. His words regarding the Constitution as "just a piece of paper" apply to any contract(no, I'm not saying that the Constitution is a contract). Of course you need the threat of force to back up any agreement.
I wont bother watching the Badnark part, assuming it is online. I listened to one of their debates and Badnarik was uninformed on the issue. Honestly, the only two minarchists that have read enough anarchist material to give a coherent critique seem to be myself and Octobox. Until one of us gets the status or confidence to end up in such a debate, there will probably never be a good one between minarchists/anarchists.
True
Especially if Molyneux continues to be the anarchist. He is good. Requires real concentration to pick out the meat of what he is saying amongst the entertainment and cute accent. One of the biggest problems with his argument is that it never happens.
And it never happens because...
People like YOU are willing to endorse the theft and aggression of 'the state' against the innocent.
Some day thieves will be seen for what they are, regardless of what costume they choose to wear.
where/when was this and how
where/when was this and how can I watch the rest of the conference?
You Judge A Tree By It's Fruit, NOT its Flower
Click on the link...
...and find out. :-)
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"Let them protest all they want, as long as they pay their taxes.” ...credited to Al Haig, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State.
http://groups.yahoo.com/g...
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Ron Paul = Red Pill
I see a youtube link that brings up this video
what other link is there?
Well, at that youtube link, it says...
"Full audio of the debate available at http://fdrurl.com/phillyd... .
Debate at Drexel University, 2009. "How Much Government is Necessary?"
First rebuttal of the minarchist position by Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio. More of the debate can be posted if people are interested."
I thought that was what you were looking for, but I was probably wrong again...
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"Let them protest all they want, as long as they pay their taxes.” ...credited to Al Haig, Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State.
http://groups.yahoo.com/g...
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Ron Paul = Red Pill