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i would like to bump this
i would like to bump this thread.
Since when has drafting a candidate been a problem?
How many of the current liberty candidates were drafted? And of those, how many are being received favorably compared to those who came in on their own accord? If I recall, a founding father talked about this idea of drafting candidates to run for office as it was the will of the people to put the person for the job forward. The person with moral judgement and integrity to hold the office. Of course we can decide not to encourage the creme of the crop to run and keep settling for the corporate backed candidates. We all know how great that has been for us.
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Here come the Jonesbashers.
Give it a rest. There is room for everybody that support the liberty movement.
Jones
needs to stay away. How obvious does it have to be? He will repulse the majority of this country. WE do not want this jackass connected to the RP movement. All he has to do is stay the F away and not mention how much he supports RP. God help us.
Lol
Fedor.
One question. Are you paid to be a troll or are you just inflicted with an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?
lunatic.
paid troll? You make my point. Jones and his merry band of conspiracy tools will infect this movement and place it in the fringe bin. Exactly what Jones is designed to do. Congratulations. Can't wait for Beck to jump in and completely ruin any chance we have.
Speak for yourself.
I did. and might I add you appear to be the narrow-minded, controlfreak jackass.
Just my opinion.
...I just threw up in my mouth alittle...
...I support Alex Jones and what he is doing to expose corruption and treason and crimes against humanity...
...But this was a bad idea...
...Because now, since Alex has "drafted" Ron Paul to run for President, he has put himself in the self-declaired position of enabler for Ron Paul to run. He is claiming something as good intentioned as it is or not, that does not belong to him...
...It belongs to our Congressman Ron Paul as to the time HE will make HIS anouncement WHEN HE will run for President(.)...
...We can all hope and ASK him if or when he will run, but NO ONE should have such complete lack of respect for our Congressman as to make some official-esque DEMAND that he do so, putting Ron Paul in such a situation...
...Alex Jones needs to seriously back off, but then the damage has already been done with his over-stepping ego and in this case, big mouth being used for the wrong thing...(It works great otherwise, but not for this)...
Great
I predicted Rand would run too, and I never met him......
Of course he does
Now he will fuck this movement up by presenting himself as Ron Paul's main man/supporter. The mainstream media will pick it up and show America what a douche bag Jones is. He will play it up real good and RP will be associated with Alex Jones and ostracized by the majority of America. The plan is working perfectly. I knew this would happen. What a shame. Go away Jones. You are a tool and most of us know it.
This is
exactly what will happen. Jones and his clowns will bury this movement into the proverbial trash heap. I made this clear about a year ago. He will try and succeed with the help of the media to become the RP poster boy, then the turd will say and do something really stupid. Boom, there goes RP's chances and our message. Get this lunatic away from the Constitution. WE do not need this guy's help/treason.You have now been warned twice.
Fedor~
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Bad call
I first heard of Ron Paul in early 2007 from non other than Alex Jones. Which in return set a local grass roots movemnet for Ron Paul. I got everyone I knew to listen to him and they all ended up supporting Ron Paul. So General Jones has done his part and taking that away from him is wrong, sorry.
you make me sick!!
your lies-work is complete garbage and I urge mods to delate your membership at once!
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banned
over this nut-ball Jones? How sad is that? He is a loser. Get it. The media will eat him alive and RP. He needs to stay away from us. Period.
I support you
Fedor, I support you 100% !!!
You are funny
A few days ago, everyone should be free to express their views in this site. Now you are calling for someone's expulsion. What a hypocrite? But then, what do I know? You are just a truther crackpot.
Paul will go the distance in 2012
Whether you listen to Alex Jones or agree all of his views or not, he makes a good point here. I also think Ron Paul should throw his hat in the ring sooner than later for 2012. It seemed during the last campaign, too many people didn't know enough about Ron Paul, but only knew what the mass media projected about him, only saw the attack tactics used against him during the debates, and his supporters in the movement were portrayed as the fringe. Dr. Paul opened many people's eyes by running in the last election even though he didn't get elected. His efforts and everybody's efforts in the Revolution has had a great impact....the 2010 elections have been bearing the fruits of our labor. However, there are people giving Sarah Palin credit for the change in voting we are seeing and taking credit for what Ron Paul and his supporters did. This is wrong.
Ron Paul should announce that he is running for president earlier so he get more exposure, be very pointed and take credit for his efforts, have more time to qualify his views, have a huge money war chest, and gain even more solid supporters before anyone else even has a chance. The debates shocked many people, like his stance on the war, because they did not understand where he was coming from. The time in the debates did not give him enough time to qualify his views and interviews at the time the debates are happening are subject to heavy mudslinging and spin doctors that are working for the elite establishment.
There is no doubt that Ron Paul can get enough support between now and the next election to go the distance to become the next president of the United States. We can't allow Sarah Palin to steal his thunder and make sure that the best she can hope for is becoming Ron Paul's running-mate....if Ron Paul could even could consider it.
This has been, and will be, a long battle to get RP into the presidency. Restoring the Constitution and a country of freedom, liberty, and republic is well worth it.
Kent Snyder quote
"Thank goodness for shows like yours."
- Kent Snyder on the Alex Jones Show
(sorry, no link to the interview but I remember it distinctly)
btw
27 year FBI veteran Ted Gunderson on Kent Snyder's death
http://www.ronpaulwarroom...
rip
I think Paul should act a bit more like a Presidential candidate
Last year, I sincerely think Paul ran to make a splash...that he really didn't think he had a chance. I think he was just as surprised as Hannity that the people responded to him like they did. After that, he did a good job changing his tune and rally up the revolution.
But this time around, we *all* know that Paul has a real chance of winning. And we need to act like it.
I'd like Paul to:
-use more rhetoric like "when I get to the white house", "when I'm elected president", etc.
-announce who his VP and cabinet would include
-how exactly he would handle issues: troop removal, department of education removal, income tax removal, Fed removal, etc. Will legalizing MJ and prostitution be a high priority? (I hope not)
-stay away from craptastic shows like Alex Jones...every time he goes on that show, he loses credibility.
And let's talk seriously about how the markets will punish us if Paul gets elected. We need to be ready for that.
I should think the markets would
be very positive about a Paul election. At last signals would be truthful. We'd be moving toward less waste, an end to inflation, end to favortism. Goldman Sachs and cronies would hate it, but the real free market would surely be bullish.
The markets
are not markets, but rather reflections of the elite mind set. They manipulate the 'markets.' The 'markets' don't operate the markets. That is why they can throw a real tantrum when Dr. Paul takes the presidency.
~Craptastic~ shows like Alex Jones are what gave RP a voice.
When no one else gave RP the time of day, Alex did.
I'm not a huge Alex devotee, but I don't dismiss the part he played in helping RP get the response he had.
I do like your idea about RP saying things like "When I get to the White House.." and "When I'm elected president.." :)
Alex Jones did not
Play any part. Many of Ron Paul's voters were attracted to him from his debates, especially the debate in South Carolina where he sparred with Rudy Giuliani. DO NOT LIE repeatedly that Alex Jones created this movement. He did influence 9/11 some crackpots who foolishly Ron Paul assuming that the Congressman is a truther, which he is not.
So the problem is, the true traditional small government conservatives will be more willing to support him and some did. But many have left, because truther kooks have scared them off. Also the gun nuts, the birther idiots etc who have chased away genuine Paul supporters.
Sure sounds like Bbagnall's back..
Whoever you are, you can continue to ignore that 6 of the 10, 9/11 commission members stated that they were stalled, lied to, and refused vital evidence for their investigation.
You can continue to ignore that the LEAD counsel of the 9/11 commission has recently written a book exposing the 9/11 commission report as a fraud.
You can continue to deny that RON PAUL HIMSELF said on the AJ show that half of his support came from his listeners in the beginning.
You can continue to throw around silly high school labels like "truther" and "birther" etc., but it just makes you look like more of an ass than you already do.
No one is buying your BS, but thanks for keeping the thread bumped.
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No one?
Hey moron, truther and birther are not my inventions. A majority of Americans think you are a crackpot. And who is buying your BS? Has the whole world woken up to find that 9/11 was an "inside job". Dunderhead. go back to your basement.
Couldn't address my statements could you?
Here is a little excerpt from your playbook.
"Propaganda Techniques" is based upon "Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques" from "Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1" published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979
Name Calling or Substitutions of Names or Moral Labels.
This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable.
* Types of name calling:
-Direct name calling is used when the audience is sympathetic or neutral. It is a simple, straightforward attack on an opponent or opposing idea.
-Indirect name calling is used when direct name calling would antagonize the audience. It is a label for the degree of attack between direct name calling and insinuation. Sarcasm and ridicule are employed with this technique.
-Cartoons, illustrations, and photographs are used in name calling, often with deadly effect.
* Dangers inherent in name calling: In its extreme form, name calling may indicate that the propagandist has lost his sense of proportion or is unable to conduct a positive campaign. Before using this technique, the propagandist must weigh the benefits against the possible harmful results. It is best to avoid use of this device. The obstacles are formidable, based primarily on the human tendency to close ranks against a stranger. For example, a group may despise, dislike, or even hate one of its leaders, even openly criticize him, but may (and probably will) resent any non group member who criticizes and makes disparaging remarks against that leader.
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Oh, you again. Back for more name calling and insults I see. :(
Kram krish, your not having invented the labels does not make throwing them around the way you do any less juvenile.
Stop following me
You are not going to change and i am not going away. Methinks you following me in every thread is a bit juvenile.
HaHA
You have now sparked the attention of the pit bull of the DP. Her jaws are locked on your face already. There IS no escape.
Sick 'em Jiminy!!!
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I think
Alan Keyes radio introduced me again to Dr. Paul around '96. I had not heard of Alex Jones until after the debates and I was on the Ron Paul band wagon. So Alex did not influence me at all. But I'm very glad to have him workin' for us.
Good
Atleast someone like you comes out in the open and says the obvious truth.
Everyone did not come by Ron Paul the same way, kram krish.
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I will quote Ron Paul himself
That he should send a thank you note top Rudy Giuliani for giving the opportunity to send his anti-war message and boosting his image. It turned out to be the biggest props to his message, according to Paul himself. Although Ron also said, Alex Jones encouraged him to run, I would admit that. I always go by Ron Paul's words, not by what you think his words meant.
Um...you don't know what I think his words meant because...
I made no reference to them. You are the only one who was talking about them.
Kram krish, no matter how much you stomp your feet and call people names and marginalize them, you are not going to change the fact that many people came to Ron Paul by way of Alex Jones.
Some people here complain because of allllll those Ron Paul supporters who are Alex Jones listeners. If you are one of those people and are at the same time claiming that Alex Jones didn't bring very many people to Ron Paul, well...you can't have it both ways.
When did I complain ?
"allllll those Ron Paul supporters who are Alex Jones listeners" !!! You are the one misrepresenting me. Since that is not true, the "having it both ways" argument is moot.
I dont understand what your problem is. If you are not any of the things I am talking about, why do you keep responding to my messages? We disagree on the number of people that came through him. I happen to think he didnt bring on so many people. But many of the active ones left have scared off genuine supporters. Anyway, I dont care whether people came here by listening to Alex Jones or not, they should not be promoting his or anyone else's agenda.
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What do mean why do I keep responding to your messages? Kram krish, you picked a fight with me at my comment to Boru where I said I don't dismiss the part that Alex played in helping RP get the response he had.
You said Alex did not play any part and accused me of lying repeatedly about Alex Jones creating this movement, which I did not say or imply.
Then you started in about 9/11 and badgered me multiple times with it before I responded regarding that...and at YOUR request.
You are such an angry person you can't even keep up with your own fights.
Not sure what time it is down under, but maybe you need to go to bed.
Good night, kram krish.
You are losing your own trail
I am just responding to the messages. You keep going in circles and accuse me. I didnt pick a fight with you. You started by making a comment that I am "not nice". I said I am not nice, as I I told you repeatedly, to people promoting their own agenda in this forum. So simple.
Cut the crap, kram krish.
You came into this thread being hostile, just like in most of your posts.
You picked a fight with me and I gave you a run for your money, although you didn't get the truther fight from me that you were looking for. Now you're pretending to be the victim.
You go into name calling tirades spewing your collectivist-minded, marginalizing attacks on 9/11 truthers and others.
You accuse others here of having an agenda, yet almost everyone of your posts reveal your own blatant agenda of wanting the movement divided up.
You do all of these things then try to turn things around making it look like you're the victim.
WCU4Paul/Parkman did the same thing. If you are so unhappy about the diversity here, why don't you go give him a hand with his new "hub". You should feel right at home there.
I dont know what exactly are trying to say?
What the hell do you mean by "dividing the people"? Are you retarded moron? YOU CUT THE CRAP. You keep moving from topic to topic and hiding. You raised the topic of posting guidelines and got your butt kicked. So stopped talking about it and accusing me of going around.
Whose side are you on when you say "dividing"? Just give a straight forward answer for and dont hide. Dont keep stalking me and posting nonsense. My agenda is clear. I am sticking for Ron Paul and going by what he says. Thats all, I dont have an agenda of my own. I am against people promoting their own agenda. I have made this clear, but somehow you dont understand it. Dont keep responding to my messages if you are not clear on what you are opposing.
Stop the name calling.
What do I mean about you wanting the movement divided up?
Kram krish, you marginalize people who have interest in topics of which you do not approve(such as the seeking of truth regarding 9/11, Obama's birth status, gun rights) and you call for the movement to be rid of them.
You kid yourself if you don't think that is what you are doing and it is certainly an agenda.
Just because you fail to see the relevance of these topics to the restoration of Constitutional gov't and liberty does not mean they are not relevant.
You say you want to know whose side I'm on.
Kram krish, I am on the side of people who enjoy discussing diverse topics here and wish to do so without being belittled or barraged with personal attacks.
We are not Ron Paul clones. We have diverse opinions and ideas about things, but we also have enough in common with Ron Paul's principles that we can disagree on various topics and ideas and still support him.
The bottom line is the owner has permitted discussion of diverse topics, including some of which you do not approve.
Btw, you did not kick my butt regarding the posting guidelines, you just have selective reading.
So in closing, I'll leave you with this excerpt from a letter written by Michael Nystrom:
Also, here is a link to his response to someone else who has an agenda similar to yours. Michael's comment is pretty long, so I'm not going to post it here, but I strongly urge you to read it in its entirety.
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Kram krish,
You are not nice. :(
Yes I am not nice to liars
and deceitful crooks who spoil RP's name to promote their own agenda.
You misrepresent me, kram krish.
I did not say Alex created the movement. But when others were ignoring Ron Paul, Alex Jones was not.
Not sure what you think my ~agenda~ is. As I said above, I'm not exactly an Alex Jones devotee, but he has played a big part in this movement whether you or anybody else like it or not.
Don't put me in a box, kram krish...and stop with your name calling. You're so worried about people being run off, maybe you ought to take a look at your nasty, hostile, foul-mouthed posts. While you're at it, take a look at the posting guidelines.
Do you really think?
That my posts are harming Ron Paul more than some people who go all over the country and carry Ron Paul signs and "9/11 inside job" signs ? Seriously, then you are giving too much credit dude. Why do you keep avoiding the question that truthers are lying about Ron Paul being an "inside job" guy? Why dont you address that? As long as we are talking about posting guidelines, didnt you read this?
"Please do not write anything that Dr. Paul himself would not say or would not approve of, or that would reflect poorly on Dr. Paul or his organizations. "
Dont lecture me, because you have committed a far greater crime of hijacking and destroying the movement.
Once again, you misrepresent me, kram krish.
I have no posts claiming that RP thinks 9/11 was an inside job.
Stop pigeon-holing me.
P.S. All "truthers" don't think RP believes 9/11 was an inside job. You err in your collectivist assumptions.
If they dont...
What are they doing in this site promoting their agenda? And why are you so offended if you are not one of them? My post was only meant for those who are truthers and claim to repeatedly post messages to that effect. Every time they are confronted, they claim to have a right to do so and post some silly links which they claim proves that RP is a truther.
If you are not a truther or do not believe that 911 was an inside job, then you should not be offended.
Uh...I didn't bring up 9/11 to you.
YOU hit me over the head twice with it before I addressed it in my reply to you.
Is Ron Paul too old to run for president
I hope Dr. Paul decides to run … he truly is our most humble and honest RE-FOUNDING FATHER of our Republic. If he runs early, I hope the campaign buys gold and silver … it will be worth double in 2012. How about a “Real Money Bomb”? How about 50,000 oz of silver to get started? If Dr Paul runs … I think running in the primaries with his chosen running mate would be useful. Is there any precedent for that? Age shouldn’t be, but will be an issue …. See Doug Wead:
http://dougwead.wordpress...
“Is Ron Paul too old to run for president?
He will be 77 in the year 2012.
Consider; Charles de Gaulle was president of France at the age of 79. Some say he was the greatest modern leader in French history.
Ditto for Konrad Adenauer, declared by many to be the greatest chancellor of the German Republic in its modern history. Adenauer served Germany with wisdom and class until the age of 87. Nor is old age the end of creativity. Michelangelo began his monumental work as architect of St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome at age 71. By age 89, the year of his death, he was still at it.
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In Liberty, Tony