Planned Parenthood Leader Resigns After Watching Ultrasound of Abortion Procedure
Posted November 3rd, 2009 by America Loves R...
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It's amazing what happens when some people are confronted with the truth:
Here's a mainstream video news report of a beautiful transformation:
output“I just thought I can’t do this anymore, and it was just like a flash that hit me and I thought that’s it.”
This is what
fascinates me. The majority of the women getting abortions consider themselves to be Christian. I suspect we are witnessing a spiritual crisis. This is why I dislike hypocrisy in the church so much. If you let it infest your faith you lose the most powerful way your society has of giving moral direction. If you let bigotry and ignorance take over your church leadership, you lose the church. This loss manifests itself in behavior. Choices like abortions. So I don't think focusing on the behavior does much good. It's the loss of the moral foundation i.e. the church and it's teachings, that has helped create the atmosphere where abortions seem to be flourishing. Perhaps Christians should focus on being powerful examples and reflections of the Christian doctrine and less on the choices of others. That may be the most effective way to change those choices. Since the majority of woman having abortions claim to be Christian this approach may go a long way in changing this specific choice. "Be the change you want to see in the world"
Here's an interesting read
http://www.abortionno.org...
Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
Yes, interesting.
Despite what their mommies, daddies, and preachers think... Christian girls were known as the most "willing" in college. It's not surprising really when the first eighteen years of their life are so controlled. I never judged them. In fact, I was happy they were finally able to let off some steam.
My, my
you naughty boy. I witnessed something similar at Loyola. Frightening really. The devil certainly had a pub on that campus :)
Controversial comment, the right-to-life movement is different
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E. Thank God for bugs, they're company for people in solitary confinement.
than any other social movement that exists. Homeless advocates are responsible in who they blame, any other movement is responsible in who it blames, the culprit. But for some (stupid) reason, the right-to-life movement blames everybody for abortion except whose responsible: the women! Women are the 1s who get & use birth control w/ w/out their husbands/ boyfriends consent, b/c failed birth control use leads to abortion, women go & get abortions behind hus/ bfs back & pay cash so it doesn't end up on insurance, the list goes on & on. Yes, of course, people pressure them, but there are plenty of women who take this situation into their own hands & decide on abortion w./out telling anybody they're pregnant. Why aren't the women who seek out abortions & get them blamed instead of everybody else, the providers, the mean & insensitive husbands, boyfriends & families?? The pro-life movement would get almost nowhere if they started blaming women, but they'd be ALOT MORE CREDIBLE.
Here are some practical steps to take to end abortion:
Have a 1 or 2 liner in your church bulletin every Sunday about where women should go if they're experiencing a crisis pregnancy & mention that help is available REGARDLESS OF THE RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION.
Find a bumper sticker/ make your own which has a legible # of a crisis pregnancy center on it so people can actually read it when they're in the car behind you/ in the mall walking past, the size the Constitution Party has.
I don't agree at all
When I was dating, the hottest pick up line was, "I've had a vasectomy". Number two was, "I have protection".
The losers asked, "Are you on BC?"
The argument that it is the woman's fault is THE PROBLEM. It takes TWO, so to divide the two and blame one, for any reason, that's immoral, and the heart of THE PROBLEM.
In a post below SRG is talking about "girls night out". I have never had a girls night out like that, and I'm not going to say, they don't exist. I don't know it they do, but I do know that the Jerry Springer show exists. I have seen it twice. I hope I never see it again. It is the most shameful thing to watch, and my guess, the "girls night out" SRG reefers to, is what leads to abortion and Jerry Springer.
This is why I am saying, the solution is not to outlaw abortion, but to make abortion a compound operation, an abortion comes with tubal ligation and a vasectomy.
That is the solution. There is nothing immoral and it is fair. If you are not going to have an abortion, it doesn't effect you and your procreation plan.
Abortion = Vasectomy
I like that idea. Find out who daddy is, and he gets a vasectomy if there is an abortion, along with the tubal. Of course, that will never happen. But, I am just saying, wouldn't that decrease the rate of abortions to practically a HALT! If the guys knew they could lose their fertility by just a one night stand, well, hmmmm.
Now don't beat me up. I am not really suggesting this but I can dream. LOL
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
It is still murder
So sterilizing people justifies murder?
You are deflecting the real issue with this yuk-yuk prevention bull crap.
abortion = murder to you
How do you rationalize providing funds to your military and watching that military invade other countries and cause the death of thousands of children? They have done this before, they are doing it now, so there is no surprise. Have you stopped sending money? Do you consider this murder? Do you have anything in common with the woman who chooses to fund an abortion? Abortions guarantee the death of the child, so does dropping bombs on civilian villages and destroying the infrastructure of a country. Bombs you paid for. Interesting thought.
Thank you for liking my idea
If I was an attorney, I'd apply for the job at Planned Parenthood and offer some REAL plans. ;))
My motto might be, "Are You Woman Enough To Plan Preganacy?"
And then my whole battle would be getting attachment laws to abortion for vasectomies and tubals.
I bet abortion would drastically drop.
wouldn't it be
better to find out why women are choosing abortions? Why they feel society will not help them? Why they are having sex before marriage? Why so many young people are rejecting Christianity, one of the best ways to provide moral structure to children? Figure that out. Why is the American youth rejecting the predominate religion in this country? Why do they feel NO connection to the moral teachings? Is it the media? Or the individuals pretending to be Christians that provide horrific examples of the power of Christ? I believe America is spiritually bankrupt, which leads to choices like abortion, because Christians have failed to understand their role and the example of Jesus. They are being rejected, because the majority come off as hypocrites. Combine that with a government system and military funded by these Christians that makes a mockery of Christian teachings, you have a recipe for disaster. Manifested in choices, like abortion. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
you know whats funny?? how
you know whats funny?? how many women who have confessed to being a Christian get abortions? you may be surprised at those numbers...
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
oh boy, look at this
"Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as 'Born-again/Evangelical'."
http://www.abortionno.org...
I bet the majority are from Christian homes
and I bet the majority call themselves "Christian". I can almost guarantee it :)
No one chooses an abortion before they are pregnant
I have NEVER in any way, shape or form, heard any woman say, "I'm saving my money so I can find a guy to impregnant me, so I can get an abortion!"
I blame hormones.
As for rejecting Christianity, one of the first things that establishes a town, or a country, was CHURCH. So in establishing a NWO, MSM and corpratization, which has been going on legally since Lincoln was president, is displacement of people and their community to church.
Church is ONE pillar in society, a very strong one in many societies. So the church has been under attackfor a very long time, and Christians, Christianity, has become notorius because it can not save the people from government. Many feel that church sold them out.
The fastest growing religion is Muslim
The church is failing
because Christians are no longer acting like Christians. Period. The youth of this country watches and decides to reject the tradition because they don't trust the individuals that call themselves Christians. There goes our best shot of installing morality, but only if the tradition is taught properly. I think this happens on a micro and macro level. I believe choices like abortion, or sex before marriage, happen at this high level, because the belief system in the culture has broken down. That is the responsibility of the church members. They are not reaching the youth. Their behavior is repulsing the youth. This results in an incomplete moral code and can manifest in choices like abortions, etc. Watching your government kill civilians for natural resources doesn't help our children respect "the right to life" either.
Three percent of all
Three percent of all abortions are due to rape or incest. Three percent are due to the health of the woman or the fetus. One percent is "other." The remaining 93% are due to inconvenience to the woman.
"The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[8]"
http://www.guttmacher.org...
yep, sounds about right
spiritually bankrupt. Life is not sacred. Why should it be? Our society has forgotten how to cultivate the sacred. That includes the majority of Christians. Cultivate the sacred, provide an example for the youth, women may start making different choices. Continue to protest behavior, wallow in hypocrisy, ignore the real example of Jesus, your precious moral code gets rejected. Individuals choose abortion over life, because life sucks.
I don't agree
Life is sacred because it is precious in the universe.
Cultivating the sacred is what Monsanto dose, and I oppose. The sacred must be nurtured.
so you
don't like the word "cultivating"?
OK
sounds good. let me know how that works for you.
wow
This post is scary. You heard those pick-up lines because of who YOU chose to hang out with.
Your two practical steps are
Your two practical steps are well made, and I wholeheartedly agree. In order to be truly pro-life and not just anti-abortion we need to provide and encourage positive actions to support and defend life. And yes, Fedor, this does include ending wars and striving for peace.
I agree,
this is a constructive approach. I was exploring how individuals could view abortion as murder and not their participation and funding of a system that clearly uses those funds to start wars, that are obviously killing thousands of children, as murder.
It's About Rights.
"The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty." Dr. Ron Paul
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
and yet
we send money to our military to take that right from children around the world and we choose to stay in that system.
We finally agree on
We finally agree on something. I'm taking it for granted you are not referring to the Daily Paulers as being "we." Now don't go and ruin it Fedor. ;-)
well
I am. WE, even DailyPaulers, fund the wars by choice. WE could leave. WE don't. I'm just pointing out the obvious. I find this interesting. I've never thought about this subject from this angle before.
Seriously
I am exploring why so many of us feel free to label a woman who gets an abortion or a doctor that performs an abortion, a murderer, but seem reluctant to recognize our own participation in a process that murders children. WE fund undeclared wars that murder children everyday. We make this possible and we choose to stay within this system. Interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
You act like someone is
You act like someone is disagreeing with your premise that murder is wrong whether it be unjust wars or unjust abortion. I find it hilarious that you like to tilt against imaginary dragons while insulting the good people here that essentially agree with you. But that isn't enough it seems. What exactly are you expecting people to do?
I've been really clear
It's just plain lazy to come into a thread and make no effort to read it. Answer your own questions.
Hit a nerve, have I?
Hit a nerve, have I?
ah
no.
why does everyone keep feeding fedor
Fedor has got to be a 12, or 13 year old. Notice all the knowledge without any experience. How he keeps bringing up an argument that doesnt really have anything to do with the subject. I drive a bus for a living full of kids that do the exact same thing. If he is an adult he needs to go out and get a job and some adult friends, and maybe a hobbie or two. You know get the experience thing.
Because it's free...
It cost me a dollar to feed the monkeys at the park. :O)
:D
lol
This sums up
what you add to threads. It's embarrassing, Dale. Grow up.
It's a common tactic.
It's known as a "diversionary argument".
It's used when there is no hope of winning the real argument, so you shift the subject to try to put the other debaters on the "defensive" with another topic.
It's weak.
Anybody who's ever done any debating would recognize that ploy in a millisecond.
How silly.
I think abortion is a terrible process and it saddens me so many woman choose abortion. I have made that clear. I would like to see this stop. Approaching this issue with humility and compassion will do much more than denying one's own participation in the murder of children in the Middle East EVERY day. Murder that is CLEARLY made possible by our tax money. We are directly connected to their deaths and WE know it. This sucks. I wonder if people really absorbed this fact, if they would be so quick to cast stones or find another more constructive way to solve this issue?
Fedor, I have read much of
Fedor, I have read much of this thread, and I really do not see why you are bothering to post at all. So you think we should be against abortion and war to avoid hypocrisy. Great! In case it has escaped your attention, most of us here are pro-life and against the wars overseas, so really you are speaking to the choir -- actually, you are attacking the choir for something they have not done. This is why they give you such puzzled looks.
There is certainly a lot of hypocrisy in the church, and while there is most likely a lot of it here as well, the issues of war and abortion do not fall into that list -- at least as far as the DP Christians are concerned. I am against abortion and war. In fact, the more I study the more I am prepared to take it a step further and say that I am against violence of any kind except the possibility of true self defense (when someone is in the process of attacking me or my family) as it is the only way that I can see to love my enemy. Are you prepared to go there?
This article is fantastic news because it shows that when confronted with the truth, this individual repented of their past sins and is trying to come clean. This is exactly what we should want to see in our country from top to bottom. We need the light of truth to shine on our country and expose all of our hypocrisy and lies so that we all can come clean and restore the principles of truth, justice, and integrity to our society.
I understand
however, being against something and still participating in that system and funding war is what I'm exploring. I'm sure many woman don't really want an abortion, but they choose it as a solution. You still choose to stay within a system you KNOW is using your money to kill children. I am interested in the people that feel justified calling a woman a murderer for getting an abortion, but do not allow that label to be stuck on them for their direct funding of murder in the Middle East. It is interesting to me. I also like to explore the thoughts of individuals that call themselves "Christians" and deny their participation in the murder of these children.
*also, this thread started with many comments referring to Christianity. That is what sparked my interest. If you start from the beginning this thread makes more sense.
Anybody with real life experience
can see it. The twelve and thirteen year olds I know (I know probably 80 on a name basis) love doing it all the time. Tell them that they are doing something wrong or need to do something else etc and they do the same thing, the reason why I think fedor is twelve is because when the twelve year olds I know do it, for a week or two without end they can not stop their argument because for some reason they think if they stop it means they lost, they do not seem to realize they have already lost, and just net to shut up.
yep..
and this is one of the weakest efforts I have seen...although it takes every cell in the scarecrows brain to eek it out...still weak.
Of course in his reply to wraith...more of the same..I think he's stuck on repeat. :O)
This is very interesting
to me. I've noticed how unwilling individuals are to admit their own hypocrisy. Some even claim they are forced to participate. The classic "Nazi" argument. This is fascinating. Abortion is a symptom of a very real and complex social issue. Individuals attacking the process and women getting abortions, without acknowledging their own choice to participate in the act of murder, will solve nothing. Once again, approaching this situation with humility and an understanding of our own hypocrisy, may just deliver to our society what it needs to help solve this crisis. "Casting stones" and refusing any introspection will do what it always does, make things worse.
Watching this video is an interesting exercise.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Fedor, please! Instead of attacking
everyone on this thread ..people that are NOT for war..please focus your arguments on the people that DO support wars!!!
Please go and help here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Got it
I am just curious. People post such strong emotion about the process and the people that choose abortion. I am really curious if they recognize what they are participating in. If, along will calling someone a murderer who gets an abortion, they will turn that label towards themselves. Because according to their logic, they are. This is interesting to me and I do believe the decline of Christianity is being fueled by the hypocrisy and "stone throwing" of millions of individuals that call themselves "Christians".
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Having your vote overthrown
by an uneducated majority does not make you as culpable as a person who directly chooses to participate in abortion. When was the last time you ran out in front of a soldier or cop and MADE him stop killing someone?? We have the vote and activism, we use it. Our country is all for killing, etc., we aren't. Your bashing is hollow. I think you are feeling guilty and lashing out to keep from hating yourself.
You have a choice
you could leave and not participate. You stay. So casting stones toward another, as you stand there, guilty of murdering children, is not constructive. By the way, Nazi soldiers tried to use your argument. Didn't work for very good reasons.
LMAO!
Now it's nazi's....yep we are now nazi soldiers...I see this as an exercise in just how weak and ignorant of an argument fedor can put out...it keeps getting better and better. We should all leave this country if we don't like abortion or war....or we are no better than nazi soldiers who pulled the trigger...yep..great argument scarecrow.
Poor Dale
you just don't like losing. I encourage folks to read my posts and you will quickly see ole Dale is grasping at straws. Poor fella. You don't interest me Dale. This has been a great thread and revealed a lot.