Submitted by Jefferson on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 09:30.
a lot of the folks criticizing this guy, should keep in mind that he has done 10 times the work many of us have, and some of us have put in some work for the RP campaign.
I didn't think the Judas reference was the best idea, and I am handling it differently, but I still have the utmost respect for RP4409 and his group of volunteers. This guy doesn't just sit around making videos, he gets out into the streets and makes an impact, and is very creative in spreading the message. I'd say he is allowed a mistake once and a while.
Submitted by AntiFed1791 on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 10:33.
Sure he makes an impact, but what kind?
The guy that answered the phone is not Mr. Watt. He just came off sounding like a dick on that call. That is not the way to persuade people of anything, nor is it how I would like to be represented as a Ron Paul supporter. Thanks but no thanks.
Submitted by Jefferson on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 10:46.
This guy has no obligation to represent you. He represents himself, and in a way RP. Not you....
He is an individual, that has made his own choices to handle it how he saw fit. I am not defending his actions, and even said I am taking a different approach.
The DB on the phone is just that, a robot, and as someone said, talking to them is like trying to send a telepathic message to your Rep. so maybe no harm no foul. I am almost sure he has received more harsh phone calls than that.
To each his own...
Submitted by MMJ Ministry on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 03:51.
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"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
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Mel Watt indeed sold out our country right in front of your face. We all can vent as we wish. Mel Watt has committed treason.
I found out, when dealing with my Congressman Stephen LaTourette-Syndrome (R-OH), that leaving messages with the people that answer the phone is about as useful as trying to use mental telepathy to reach your Congress critter. I had the most impact in dealing with the Legislative Aid and consequently was able to relay the importance of HR 1207 and his sponsoring, which did happen.
I just wanted to reach out to the DP community to let them know the Legislative Assistant of this traitor Mel Watt (D-Bank of America as Lew Rockwell puts it). Her name is Hillary West and can be reached at 202-225-1510.
I called in today to thank Mel Watt for showing his outright allegiance to the banks and let her know that people are paying attention. In fact, enough attention is being paid that his re-election campaign for the 2010 election will be a difficult one.
Sure he voted against the Iraq War, but this gutting of the Federal Reserve audit has really chapped my ass. Please give him a call to let him know how happy we are he showed his true colors, if you feel so inclined.
I appreciate many vids 4409 has done, and this one expresses a valid point of view. But it doesn't honor Ron Paul's request that his supporters be civilly courteous.
A message can be strong and courteous at the same time. RP does this always. We can try to come up to his standard.
we shouldn't compare Ron Paul to Jesus- thats the quickest way to lose the religious right lol - aside from that, this phone call is pretty darned cool : ))
Submitted by Libera_me on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 03:52.
Christians were even refered to by Luther as "little christs" (reverently,)
Ron Paul does profess and live up to the name, but if we start confusing Ron Paul with Y'shua (Jesus) , Ron Paul himself will likely call us on it .
-I favor extending to Israel the same honest friendship that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers urged us to offer to all nations. ...This means I also favor discontinuing foreign aid to governments that are actual or potential enemies of Israel,--Ron Paul
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not only can you not speak......and probably not able to spell either......but you bring up judas......who, supposedly, sold some other dude out.....
this guy is selling himself out - if that's your angle.
watt is being more of a rat in the attic than judas.
and screw the whole religious bullshit anyway.
why do you have to do this?
why do so many people in this movement rely on religion so much for everything that you say and do?
don't get me wrong. i liked what you said about paul's bill not being a "version" but rather the real thing. but that's about all you did. and the guy on the other end chalked one up on the board that says....."fucking religious loon for ron."
rely more on your brain than a religion when speaking or thinking.
you might find yourself respected broadly.
that shit just makes me turn off completely.
make your point. stop being funny. cause it ain't.
Submitted by R_Michael on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 22:06.
I seriously doubt that the speaker in this video is very religious. I can say that because being a Christian myself, I realize that to call Ron Paul "Jesus" is not just like blasphemy, it is blasphemy. Now I can see why a non-religious person might use such language to make a point (a poor choice of words, I agree) but not a devout person. A devout believer would be far more careful about such things.
So the long and short of it is this: I found this video to be next to worthless... but your comments that equate this guys behavior with honest religious convictions held by many in this movement are misguided. They are misguided not because everyone here who claims to be a Christian is well behaved or super intelligent or savvy or any other positive quality. They are simply misguided because no person with honest Christian convictions would blaspheme in this way... perhaps in other ways (you can bet on it) just not in this way. So the producer of this clip is not a religious nut, he's just a nut.
Submitted by homeschoolmom on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 23:26.
and I was embarassed for him talking like that. Did you notice how civil the guy at the other end was? The caller could have been much more credible had he left most of that junk out and just told the aide that we voters are holding Watt accountable. but i did like the registered voter part.
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Submitted by R_Michael on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 07:14.
Yes. The whole "First name registered, last name voter" part was great. As was his point about the "actual bill". Those were the only things worthy of respect. Having said that, I do think there are occasions when using rhetorical extremes and displaying a degree of moral disdain are effective. But his use of religious imagery was way over the top and counterproductive. And I'm as 'religious' as they come in this movement.
Submitted by stephenmwells on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 20:41.
My late mother used to call anyone that was a dickhead a worm for one cannot get lower than a worm. Mel Watt is a worm!
What we need is Jesse Ventura to get about six of his navy seal buddies and start taking this fools out one by one. That is the only way these worms will take notice. Jesse said himself he could bring this country to its knees with just six of his sniper buddies, I think its time for the Jessmyser to bring it on.
Also when asked if he was saying he was in favor of Ron Paul's version of the bill, I'm glad he clarified, "..It isn't a ~version~, it is the REAL bill".
But I gotta admit, if I was the one answering the phone, the call would never have gotten to what ended up being the meat of the conversation because I wouldn't have played that long with the prank-sounding stuff at the beginning.
Submitted by Jefferson on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 20:18.
RP 4409 is the model for activism we should all try to follow. They have quite a guerrilla operation going there where he lives. He has my utmost respect, and is one of the bravest individuals I've seen since this whole thing began.
Have you seen the video where he walks up on the two Border PAtrol agents having lunch, and starts asking them if they are American citizens, and if they have ID, they BP guys get up and leave in the middle of their lunch. Priceless. I wish I could find it.
Submitted by jcr@mac.com on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 20:03.
There's a difference between a traitor and an enemy. Mel Watt is the latter. He never pretended to be in favor of auditing the fed or returning to sound money, did he?
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great vid - Thanks for posting.
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these guys from Arizona are such hard workers - yep I almost posted this vid myself when I watched it this morning I subscribe to his youtube channel.
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Whether you agree with the Judas statement or not
a lot of the folks criticizing this guy, should keep in mind that he has done 10 times the work many of us have, and some of us have put in some work for the RP campaign.
I didn't think the Judas reference was the best idea, and I am handling it differently, but I still have the utmost respect for RP4409 and his group of volunteers. This guy doesn't just sit around making videos, he gets out into the streets and makes an impact, and is very creative in spreading the message. I'd say he is allowed a mistake once and a while.
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Sure he makes an impact, but
Sure he makes an impact, but what kind?
The guy that answered the phone is not Mr. Watt. He just came off sounding like a dick on that call. That is not the way to persuade people of anything, nor is it how I would like to be represented as a Ron Paul supporter. Thanks but no thanks.
"how I would like to be represented as a Ron Paul supporter"
This guy has no obligation to represent you. He represents himself, and in a way RP. Not you....
He is an individual, that has made his own choices to handle it how he saw fit. I am not defending his actions, and even said I am taking a different approach.
The DB on the phone is just that, a robot, and as someone said, talking to them is like trying to send a telepathic message to your Rep. so maybe no harm no foul. I am almost sure he has received more harsh phone calls than that.
To each his own...
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I don't see how this is in
I don't see how this is in any way helpful to Ron Paul or the Bill.
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"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
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LOL! that was pretty
LOL! that was pretty good.
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Mel Watt's Legislative Aid for Financial Matters
Mel Watt indeed sold out our country right in front of your face. We all can vent as we wish. Mel Watt has committed treason.
I found out, when dealing with my Congressman Stephen LaTourette-Syndrome (R-OH), that leaving messages with the people that answer the phone is about as useful as trying to use mental telepathy to reach your Congress critter. I had the most impact in dealing with the Legislative Aid and consequently was able to relay the importance of HR 1207 and his sponsoring, which did happen.
I just wanted to reach out to the DP community to let them know the Legislative Assistant of this traitor Mel Watt (D-Bank of America as Lew Rockwell puts it). Her name is Hillary West and can be reached at 202-225-1510.
I called in today to thank Mel Watt for showing his outright allegiance to the banks and let her know that people are paying attention. In fact, enough attention is being paid that his re-election campaign for the 2010 election will be a difficult one.
Sure he voted against the Iraq War, but this gutting of the Federal Reserve audit has really chapped my ass. Please give him a call to let him know how happy we are he showed his true colors, if you feel so inclined.
This shouldn't have been posted
brutlstrudl. Ron Paul supporters do not need to call anyone names
brutlstrudl
I agree, at least not on the front page;
I appreciate many vids 4409 has done, and this one expresses a valid point of view. But it doesn't honor Ron Paul's request that his supporters be civilly courteous.
A message can be strong and courteous at the same time. RP does this always. We can try to come up to his standard.
I think we should all
use "registered voter" when asked our name. lol
affirmation: President Paul 2008
As a general rule of thumb
we shouldn't compare Ron Paul to Jesus- thats the quickest way to lose the religious right lol - aside from that, this phone call is pretty darned cool : ))
I have no problem with comparison...
Christians were even refered to by Luther as "little christs" (reverently,)
Ron Paul does profess and live up to the name, but if we start confusing Ron Paul with Y'shua (Jesus) , Ron Paul himself will likely call us on it .
-I favor extending to Israel the same honest friendship that Jefferson and the Founding Fathers urged us to offer to all nations. ...This means I also favor discontinuing foreign aid to governments that are actual or potential enemies of Israel,--Ron Paul
We do not need to get good laws to restrain bad people,
we need to get good people to restrain bad laws. --
--G.K. Chesterton
this is total crap.
not only can you not speak......and probably not able to spell either......but you bring up judas......who, supposedly, sold some other dude out.....
this guy is selling himself out - if that's your angle.
watt is being more of a rat in the attic than judas.
and screw the whole religious bullshit anyway.
why do you have to do this?
why do so many people in this movement rely on religion so much for everything that you say and do?
don't get me wrong. i liked what you said about paul's bill not being a "version" but rather the real thing. but that's about all you did. and the guy on the other end chalked one up on the board that says....."fucking religious loon for ron."
rely more on your brain than a religion when speaking or thinking.
you might find yourself respected broadly.
that shit just makes me turn off completely.
make your point. stop being funny. cause it ain't.
For the Record
I seriously doubt that the speaker in this video is very religious. I can say that because being a Christian myself, I realize that to call Ron Paul "Jesus" is not just like blasphemy, it is blasphemy. Now I can see why a non-religious person might use such language to make a point (a poor choice of words, I agree) but not a devout person. A devout believer would be far more careful about such things.
So the long and short of it is this: I found this video to be next to worthless... but your comments that equate this guys behavior with honest religious convictions held by many in this movement are misguided. They are misguided not because everyone here who claims to be a Christian is well behaved or super intelligent or savvy or any other positive quality. They are simply misguided because no person with honest Christian convictions would blaspheme in this way... perhaps in other ways (you can bet on it) just not in this way. So the producer of this clip is not a religious nut, he's just a nut.
I agree with you
and I was embarassed for him talking like that. Did you notice how civil the guy at the other end was? The caller could have been much more credible had he left most of that junk out and just told the aide that we voters are holding Watt accountable. but i did like the registered voter part.
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Yes. The whole "First name
Yes. The whole "First name registered, last name voter" part was great. As was his point about the "actual bill". Those were the only things worthy of respect. Having said that, I do think there are occasions when using rhetorical extremes and displaying a degree of moral disdain are effective. But his use of religious imagery was way over the top and counterproductive. And I'm as 'religious' as they come in this movement.
What a worm this Watt is.
My late mother used to call anyone that was a dickhead a worm for one cannot get lower than a worm. Mel Watt is a worm!
What we need is Jesse Ventura to get about six of his navy seal buddies and start taking this fools out one by one. That is the only way these worms will take notice. Jesse said himself he could bring this country to its knees with just six of his sniper buddies, I think its time for the Jessmyser to bring it on.
First name is "Registered", last name is "Voter" line was good.
Also when asked if he was saying he was in favor of Ron Paul's version of the bill, I'm glad he clarified, "..It isn't a ~version~, it is the REAL bill".
But I gotta admit, if I was the one answering the phone, the call would never have gotten to what ended up being the meat of the conversation because I wouldn't have played that long with the prank-sounding stuff at the beginning.
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i understand the point of the call but I would've used a more relevant anology though.
And your name?
My first name is Registered, my last name is Voter
*great line*
"Just Don't do deals with the Devil, man!
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RP 4409 is the model for activism we should all try to follow. They have quite a guerrilla operation going there where he lives. He has my utmost respect, and is one of the bravest individuals I've seen since this whole thing began.
Have you seen the video where he walks up on the two Border PAtrol agents having lunch, and starts asking them if they are American citizens, and if they have ID, they BP guys get up and leave in the middle of their lunch. Priceless. I wish I could find it.
4409 carries his balls around in a wheel barrow.
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http://freedocumentaries.net/c/All/
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http://freedocumentaries.net/c/All/
I don't think "judas" applies.
There's a difference between a traitor and an enemy. Mel Watt is the latter. He never pretended to be in favor of auditing the fed or returning to sound money, did he?
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Love it!
They gotta know the light is shining bright on him now.
308 co-sponsors of the original language of 1207, and this one guy is changing it.
There is gonna be some heavy heat.
Awesome 4409!
These guys are great! "It isn't a version of it, it is the real bill" Awesome!
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great vid - Thanks for posting.
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i knew you'd like it liberty
thanks!
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I love all his vids
these guys from Arizona are such hard workers - yep I almost posted this vid myself when I watched it this morning I subscribe to his youtube channel.
bump*))
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exposing big pharma and their deadly vaccines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gavenB_AJ9A
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i forgot to say,
i know who that is standing next to him - the woman - that's olympia
snowe - MY senator.
she's getting down there with hillary and nancy.
Ron Paul is my President
Ron Paul is My President