Have any of you noticed the escalating suggestive programming in kids' shows?
Have any of you noticed the suggestive programming in kids' TV shows today? I have noticed it a lot over time, but it really seems to be escalating over the last two years.
For an example of what I'm referring to: earlier this afternoon my girlfriend's kids were watching iCarly (on Nickelodeon). The setting was in the school foyer. One of the co-stars (Sam) was bad-mouthing a teacher. Carly sternly and frantically warned Sam that she was going to get into trouble. Immediately, Sam's teacher ordered her to the principal's office over the school's P.A. system. Sam questioned how the teacher could have heard the comments. The teacher, again over the P.A. system, said, "I hear everything!"
As the camera panned around the foyer in various other scenes, I noticed the signs plastered all over the walls. One sign had a picture of a survelance camera with a caption that said, "Smile for the camera!" Another said, "Respect the bullhorn!" Another said, "Pay attention to all announcements!" Another said, "Observe all technology!" The biggest sign, which was only shown in a couple of short bursts, said, "You have not earned the freedom of speech!"
I have also noticed several suspicious statements in other episodes made by the actors. For one example, the star of the show (Carly) was trying to coerce her friend to do his math homework. She was successful when she told the kid that the "U.N. passed a new law" saying that he had to do the homework, which sparked the kid to immediately, frantically and fearfully, without questioning, start his homework. That may sound innocuous, but look at that through the eyes of the intended target audience (young children). That plants a seed that they are to do anything the U.N. says, without even knowing what the U.N. is.
Also, there are a LOT of suspicious and occultic symbols in the backgrounds of many scenes. I've seen broken crosses, the Mason square and compass, Jewish stars, the eye of Horus and many others. But you must pay careful attention because these symbols only appear in split-second bursts, although the bursts are sometimes repeated several times in any given episode.
When I was a kid, there were shows targeted at my age group that I outgrew. Another pattern I'm noticing more and more is that, modern kids' shows seem to "grow up" with our kids, all the while chocked full of suggestive but subtle statements, scenarios and suspicious symbols in the background.
I have thought about posting this subject previously, but I realize that it sounds crazy to most people. But tonight, when I saw the "You have not earned the freedom of speech!" sign in big, bold, red letters, hanging over the lockers in a middle school foyer, I have no choice but to recognize that some kind of intentional suggestive programming is being subtly carried out. The scary part about it is that I have noticed similar signs in real-world schools in my area. They are just clear enough to make the point, but vague enough to support plausible deniability on the part of school officials.
As I said, I have been noticing these things on TV for several years, targeted at our kids. Disney Channel, Nickelodeon and ABC Family ("A New Kind Of Family" tm) are the most aggressive and progressive I've noticed, although they are not by any means the only guilty parties. I would strongly caution you guys to pay very close attention to what your kids are watching. Do not assume that a "kid's show" implies that there's no harm in it.
This issue is difficult to discuss with others without being scoffed at. A few citations of vague instances here and there will usually bring laughter, but if you guys will pay close attention, frequently, you'll begin to notice a subtle but undeniable pattern that is too-carefully-crafted to be harmless coincidence.
Have any of you noticed anything along the lines of what I'm referring to?
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I see that in episodes of the old Andy Griffith Show
Believe it or not, more quaint hometown humor than police state at least.
I do notice some of the soaps are all about cops and jail and police ?
My counter mental balance is George Carlin telling it like it is and asking parents to tell their kids at the very least to always "Question everything"
He understood the score, like Bill Hicks..It's time to water the ground for liberty again . We'll have to make sure these elite trash are personally involved.
Super Hero Squad short!
They made super heros short in Super Hero Squad...how demeaning to heroism.
Look how they are screwing with children's minds!
If only there were a way...
...to turn it off or not even turn it on in the first place.
Really, they need to start making these TVs with a power switch or something. If only there were some kind of control switch, a person could choose to turn it off or on.
But then...so many people have no purpose in life, no job to do, no chores, because people (and children) have become obsolete in the age of technology. It's like...you HAVE TO watch TV because there's nothing else to do. And it's our purpose to be connected to the culture.
(Yeah, right. Get a job.)
Start making them with a power switch
Nice. :-) As I said, I'm not big on watching TV in general, although I do go through stints on watching lots of CSPAN from time to time, and there have been many times I'm glad I do. My daughter mainly watches educational channels when she does watch it.
One thing that bothers me about a lot of parents today is the mindset of, “Do all your chores and homework so you can watch TV.” as if it's some kind of holy grail or reward.
I don't watch kid's shows,
I don't watch kid's shows, but I have noticed a TON of subliminal messaging/advertising going on.
There are about half-second flashes of images, and words sometimes. They say things like "Beer", and don't even give a brand, then usually a few commercials down the road there is a beer commercial.. I'm not making this up.
I have seen even stranger half-second subliminals (that you can pause on if you have DVR)..
Not to mention the sexual content
of the kids shows. And the materialism and celebrity worship. We had to block all the kids channels, abc family, mtv, vh1 - well, almost everything! So we have a new favorite channel now - the Discovery Channel. Supervised, of course.
You are dead on with this comment...
I do one better. I only use peer to peer downloads so that I know what shows my daughter watches and can preview them.
And it opens up a wealth of stuff that I otherwise wouldn't have. For instance, I downloaded the entire series of Mr. Wizard's world and my daughter loves it as much as I did as a kid. And it is 100% wholesome and educational.
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Ok...
So I was curious, and I try not to comment without verifying info, if possible before posting...
The post sounded interesting, but once again, the observation speaks more about the observer than what is observed.
So I downloaded the mentioned episode. And what is not said in the OP, is that the school was taken over by inept, angry, authority driven boobs that are meant to play as the equivalent of a villain for children's programming. Upon taking over the school, they post those signs, etc... And upon having the school returned to a normal state, the signs and such get removed.
Hence, those "signs" are cast as villainous and meant to be a humorously over the top expression of the villainy.
There is no story here, at least not in regard to the original OP mentioned episode.
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I guessed as much.
CHA-CHING!
More cartoon/TV screen shots
This is from Disney's Halloween Town. It is full of Satanic symbols, if you look quickly. This is the only one I caught on-camera so far because the symbols flash too quickly, even though I know roughly where to expect them:
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This appears on the opening theme of the cartoon, ”Uh-Gi-Oh!”:
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And these three are from an episode of ”Gargoyles” on Toon Disney, specifically talking about Illuminati. As I recall, the premise is that some sort of investigator is trying to crack a case implicating Illuminati (that specific word was used > 15 times in the episode) and was scoffed at for even believing they exist:
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I have a few more that I've managed to catch on camera from time, which is difficult, because these symbols usually appear in brief flashes, although they are numerous at times. I'll post more later.
Ok...
The first one is an egyptian hieroglyph. So any study of ancient cultures, or anyone wanting to give a mystic air to a scene, story line is likely to include something like this.
As far as Gargoyles, it was a show heavily entrenched in magic and mysticism, and in fact, the Illuminati were villains in the show.
I was a huge fan of Gargoyles growing up and so am fairly familiar with the story lines and their existence is proven, and considered dangerous in the show.
Yu-Gi-Oh is a japanese show, and they usually mingle a lot of myth and magic in their story as a rule (japanese in general as well as Chinese). You would be interested to know that they consider Christianity to be a weird cult and so most of their creative outputs that contain mysticism include a great deal of Christian imagery.
The only one that seems out of place that you have listed is the SpongeBob one. That one seems extremely out of place and as such open to question and interpretation. But you can't simply take images and words out of context and ascribe some negative motive to it (in regard to the rest). However, SpongeBob, if you do a little research is pretty open about their aggressive push of what I would consider inappropriate beliefs. I stopped allowing my daughter to watch the show very early on.
The fact is, taking things out of context is never a good way to interpret them and if you dislike magic/mystic type shows then you shouldn't be watching things like Gargoyles, any more than you should have watched Bewitched when it was on. But believe it or not, there is a large portion of the population that is either non-Christian, or tolerant-Christians which enjoy that type of entertainment.
What I believe is harmful about TV/Movies is the fact that Hanna Montana spends every episode lying her ass off to friends and family, spends 5 seconds at the end apologizing and everything is fine. This is IMMORAL. Or, the sexual, twisted content of SpongeBob.
Or, movies like Forrest Gump which attempt to tell you that "luck" and a good attitude is all that you need in life. Or movies which glamorize war. These are the evils of TV/Movies, not an Egyptian eye, or the word Illuminati.
If your OP had turned out to be 100% accurate in context, I would have considered it to be a vile use of airspace and not allowed my daughter to watch it ever. As it is, it was basically showing the opposite of the claim once you placed it in context, and therefore, not at all a bad thing.
And NOT that I am advocating any type of censorship at all, just to be clear! I however do use this to determine what is acceptable for me and my family.
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The OP
...cited only a few examples of what I was talking about. The bad examples (lying to family and sexuality) and et cetera that you cited are to be included as well as suggestive programming.
I never watched Gargoyles, so thanks for clarifying the recurring Illuminati theme there. I find it even more curious now to know that Disney cartoons were talking about Illuminati with reoccurring theme, before Illuminati began proliferating adults' shows.
I also never watched Yu-Gi-Oh! (or any of the other Japanese cartoons) as they just didn't appeal to me. That does remind me, however, of a clip I saw one time on Dragonball-Z, as I was flipping through, where the main character (don't know his name) pulled up in a car with “Mr. Satan” and an encircled “666” painted on the door.
Regarding the “first one” you mentioned... yes, it is an Egyptian hieroglyph – the eye of Horus the sun God – Satan – which adorns Masonic temples, which is used in Satanic practices, and which, as I mentioned in the OP, also has appeared in scattered episodes of shows on Disney and Nickelodeon, where no mystic air is trying to be created, and where it is in no way relevant to the story line.
The Nickelodeon screen shot is not specifically associated with Sponge Bob; it is used a segue on other Nickelodeon shows as well (much like CBS shows its eye symbol or NBC shows its peacock) before and after commercial breaks.
And, yeah, Mr. Wizard rocked! :-)
There is a difference between censorship and protection where young, impressionable kids are concerned. However, I think that if the kids are intelligent enough to grasp what parents are saying, and when parents are willing to make themselves actively involved with what their kids watch (i.e.: pointing out the suggestive messages and symbols, and explaining to kids what they mean and why they are bad) then “censorship” is not necessary. In fact, this is the reason my daughter began to censor herself and lose interest in the wash of immoral kids shows, opting toward educational shows instead.
I just took a screen shot for you
I decided to watch kids' channels today to cite some more specific and recent instances of weird/questionable things in kids' shows. Lo and behold, I didn't even have time to sit back down before seeing more symbolism - and not in the background this time. I snapped a picture with my phone - almost missed it. Give me a few minutes to get the picture off of my phone and get it up on the web somewhere that you can see it, and I'll send you a link.
Update:
If you have ever studied anything about occultic and religious symbolism, you'll recognize what this is immediately: http://i64.photobucket.co...
Isis...... A prudent man
Isis......
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
AKA Semiramis
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All-seeing eyballs everywhere
And who's this wolfe guy that seems soooo dismissive of this important information?
don't get me wrong.
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I am in no way defending tv and movies. in fact, the reason I looked is I found your op highly likely.
I am not going to go into any depth because iPhone posting sucks. but your image is interesting and you are correct. however, I believe symbolism holds no relevance outside of a statement of beliefs by the user. further, I am curious about the context. I.e. what show was playing when they did that promo?
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Sponge Bob
It was a segue back into Sponge Bob from a commercial break.
You are correct that symbolism indicates belief by the user. So then, when such symbolism, of like belief, saturates TV networks, what does it say about the TV networks and who might be in control of them? Also, when those beliefs advocate globalism and brainwashing of children toward such, and if people with such beliefs control TV programming, does that not tell you anything?
I'm trying to dig up some more pictures I previously took from my server... few more minutes and I'll put those up as well... having to search for them (on a massive hard drive)...
The episode I saw
just ended with no signs removed. Which one are you watching and where did you find it?
I haven't looked at others...
I downloaded via a torrent I found on mininova.com s03e05. The signs weren't put up until the goons took over at which point all the kids were placed into school uniforms, etc etc...
In fact, it seemed very much like a "question authority" lesson it was teaching.
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Okay - I'll look on that torrent site
But I've also seen the episode about the uniforms, and I don't think we're talking about the same one. Also, this signs and symbols in the background change from time to time - on that show and the others.
One last note on it though...
I have never seen the show before so I don't know how much relevance this has... But, the "good" principle seemed like an Obama figure (mannerisms, speech, appearance), and the "bad" principles reminded a great deal of of McCain/Palin (mannerisms, speech, and in part appearance).... Under McCain/Palin it was dystopia, while under Obama it was utopia.
It does seem to carry a political message, so I won't say that there is no message there, but just not the one I think you were picking up on... And that message is dangerous as well, but in a much different way. And as long as politics are not directly mentioned, the general thrust (anti-authority) of the episode I won't take issue with.
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I get what you are saying...
But if that is the episode, the signs had a clear intent. Btw, tehy didn't actually come down when the good principle returned, but it was clear that things would return to normal (look at the walls prior to the bad guys taking over), and they just didn't show the cleanup process because of the way the script ran, and that woulda been boring.. :)
Btw, the "Respect The Bullhorn" sign is above two new portraits of the new bad principles where the man looks remarkably like Dick Cheney... lol...
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Hey...has anyone noticed that parents are allowing the TV to
educated their children.
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I have
...which is why I started this thread (not to state the obvious).
I couldn't believe
that my 8 yr old granddaughter thought it was just perfectly normal for The Sweet Life twins (I think), Cody and whoever, were perfectly normal to be having dating problems because - 'they're 12 years old.'
There was a similar episode on iCarly
Where Carly got busted making out with an older guy. Her guardian took her defense in making the point that, at Carly's age (which I think is 12-14, although the parental rating says it's for ages 7 and up), it's perfectly normal and permissible for girls to be behaving in such manner. Also, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the “I Think They Kissed” episode, where two pre-teens kissed... but it was very strange how the network made a HUGE deal out of it, building up to it for weeks (trying to make kids anxious with thoughts of, “Did they kiss, or didn't they?! TELL ME!!!”).
It is becoming more sinister
But don't forget our cartoons as a kid (back in the day}
Tom and Jerry. 3 Stoges. Violence. War machine.
This is not new. Just more sophiticated. Still basiclly the same.
Sad.
Neuro Linguistic Progaming
Neuro Linguistic Progaming comes in many forms,, this is a good example of why you should limit TV as much as possible (my 7 yr old dauther gets to watch TV 1 day a week) and cut it out completely when possible.
TV is posion for the brain, much like Sugar(s) is(are) Posion for the body.
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
Having little kids do "hip-hop" dancing
is pretty disgusting. I see it all the time in commercials.
The Spanish channels
with the little kids dancing - really bugs me.
Thundercats!
HOOO!!!
Eye of Thundera = Eye of Osiris
Mumra lived in a pyramid.
I'm more worried about pro-Illegal Immigration Propaganda
That Dora the Explorer, a Hispanic girl with a backpack always running from "bad guys." Seems suspicious to me.
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Politicians today aim to grow our economy by burning our cities to the ground, instead they should take a lesson in economic theory.
Every thing is being done in plain sight
So I go to my parents' where my dad is watching the kids. The kids were watching a show on PBS called Arthur
So I lean to my dad and I say, "Do me a favor and try to pay attention to the messages that the shows are delivering." My dad said something to the extent of "oh, yeah the big conspira...."
He couldn't even get the words out of his mouth before this cartoon, geared for kids 2-11, about an adolescent rodent named Arthur is talking about J. P. Morgan.
Acccording to http://www.statemaster.co...
JP Morgan appears in Elwood City Turns 100!, during a flashback to the city's dedication by President Theodore Roosevelt.
Even he had to admit it. I just threw my arms up.
We need to be careful
What our kids watch. I am not a big believer in suggestive learning but I still prefer to error on cautions side.
Do you believe 9/11 was perpentrated by
19 arabs with box cutters? if so then it would explain why you're not a big believe in suggestive learning.
You think billions of dollars and nonstop TV with 500 channels is really is all about selling products and entertaining... LOL!!!
IT'S TO KEEP YOU STUPID
Are you sure you are not actually oruval?
in b4 "NEO-CON!"
CHA-CHING!
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If you think TV is here to keep people stupid, I'm very concerned. It might be why people are dumb, but it isn't a sinister plan to dumb down the world, that is just a fantasy fit for TV.
That mindset
...is very concerning to me. I'm not trying to be least bit snide or condescending when I tell you this, but it saddens me for you, Furlough... truly saddens me.
I do know, though, better than to try to convince you. I recall our previous discussions some time ago about water fluoridation, where I presented you with paper after easily-verifiable scientific paper and assessment, wherein scientists/doctors were outlining the “dumb-down” effects of fluoride in water, and wherein government studies outlined the Nazis' use of fluoride in water to keep its concentration camp prisoners docile and unobservant. Essentially, you quickly dismissed every single scrap of it without even taking a look at any of it. You painted all the scientists, physicians, documentation and reports as laughable – basically saying that all those people don't know what they're talking about and that you know more than they. Based on that, and based on your consistent history here of dismissal of anything and everything controversial, with no outwardly-apparent effort of open-mindedness, I know it's a lost cause trying to get you to see.
Your concern here does not surprise me, but it does sadden me that you cannot see that mass broadcasting is a mass propaganda, distraction and indoctrination tool. I honestly do not see how you can not notice at least that aspect of it, irrespective of the specific aspect that is the subject matter of this thread.
Peace.
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I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't think ever talked about flouride, except with my dentist. So whatever you attributed to me, unless you can show me a link, is false, I could be wrong, but highly doubtful and it doesn't sound like something I am interested in.
I know TV is used to market, and it is used well, but there is no grand plan by some mystery person who wants to control the world with TV. That is a myth.
Of course each station tries to influence culture and push their shows and advertisers, but TV as a tool to dumb down the world is just not based on any facts.
I do hate TV, and TV makes people dumb, but it isn't planned, it's just human nature.
History does repeat itself
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Exactly...
there doesn't have to be a master plan. We are completely capable of messing ourselves and our kids up without any help from global conspirators... :)
They push the garbage that they push because it sells....
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Furlough
The tell a vision is, has been and will remain the number one weapon used by the social engineers. That box and all that comes out of it teaches people what to think not how to think. Just imagine what this country would be like without the tube. Want Paulville in America?
Snoozz
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Television entertainment
was never designed to inform and educate your children. That is YOUR job. Don't blame the TV for your lack of parental guidance.
There's one out of left field
A lack of parental guidance would dictate that I NOT pay attention to such things and educate my child about them. And have a look at the history of mass indoctrination. Some television entertainment absolutely is designed to inform and educate kids, but definitely not in the sense that you're referring to. That is the reason this thread exists – to point out to parents that they should pay closer attention to what their kids watch.
Trying to reach my grandchildren:
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interesting comments
i agree, but i tend to think that the example you provided could have been just mock humor. (i hope.)
in other words, when orwell wrote 1984, he didn't write it in support of totalitarianism, he wrote in condemnation of it.
so, when these topics appear, that doesn't automatically mean there is an underlying concerted effort to suggest it to their audience.
perhaps some of the cartoonists or writers do it out of protest to poke fun of the caged system that they grew out of. that was orwell's motivation, anyway.
There was a similar comment
earlier suggesting the concerns were reaching. I am not saying that is what you are doing in fact I know you are not.
Consider the sophistication of the techniques used by Edward Bernays as far back as the 1920's. In many cases I would contend that what occurred in the 1920's is still nearly current events. In the matter of attempting to program the minds of the masses that was ancient history. The point being, with the massive amounts of data on human psychology, brain function, human behavior, etc. and ability to analyze that data along with far more efficient and far reaching tools to implement a mind influencing program available today it is difficult to determine whether something at face value is indeed face value.
To me the critical facts to keep in mind are these:
(This information is to my knowledge, others here may know of earlier instances of mass population programing)
-The first undisputed, large scale effort to program children to serve a minority attempt, that I am aware of, goes back to the late 1700's with the Prussian public education system. This system was the first compulsory, public schooling system, is the model our public system is based on and is the model upon which most public schooling systems are based.
The primary goals of the Prussian system were; instill unquestioning obedience and respect to the Kaiser and provide only the knowledge necessary to serve the state in the function assigned. The system was tiered so that only the very top of society would have access to the worlds accumulated knowledge.
This is a demonstrated instance of "elites" both desiring to program the masses to serve the "elites" agendas and acting upon that desire with a large scale resource intensive program.
Please see the link I provided below, John Taylor Gatto, teacher of the year speech. Also, if interested, do your own research regarding the origins, history of US public schooling and who initiated, influenced same.
The second important fact is-
Watch "Century of Self"
The desire to control "masses" is irrefutable and the documented means used to do so is impressive. Has this desire ended? Have the means to make the desire a reality advanced?
For many issues with a record like this one I believe the best, most prudent view to take is overestimation and wrong rather than underestimation and wrong.