The Austrian School of Economics says that deflation is a contraction of money supply.
that is precisely what is happening in this financial crisis...
the problem this time is the amount of the destruction of the money supply that is on the horizon...
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Our system is deflationary
Our debt based money system is inherently deflationary. The only way that new money may enter circulation is through new loans. Loans are based on the principal amount but added to that is interest which is not created. If we had no debt, we'd have no money.
Since we must repay more than we borrowed, there will ALWAYS be more debt than money. If we stopped borrowing money, the system would contract and implode.
For example, our total money supply (M3) is just under $15 trillion. Our national debt is around $14 trillion and private debt is around $40 trillion. So how do we repay $54 trillion debt with only $15 trillion?
You would be right if you suggest that we don't have to pay it now but sooner or later it must be paid. Since there is only one way to increase the money supply - that is through debt, we will have to borrow another $39 trillion ($54 trillion debt - $15 trillion money) to cover our current obligations.
This forms a perpetual loop as the more we borrow, the bigger the shortfall between the money supply and debt. If you are decent at math you will recognize that this becomes an exponential function that must fail sooner or later.
Yes, our debt money system is a scam. It is inherently flawed by the rules of math and the rules of math will always supersede the rules of banks and the rules of economic theories that do not take this into account.
Larry
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Debt deflation slide show.
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Debt deflation slide show. A simple explanation.
Question Republicae.
Shouldn't more printed money in the system lead to less need for credit if it circulates throughout the population?
grant
Remember Grant, it is not
Remember Grant, it is not the quantity of money that makes a difference but the quality of that money that creates the ability to create and thus increase real wealth. Additionally, credit, based solely upon a fiat monetary system does not produce anything but an “illusionary” wealth bubble, generally consisting of wealth redistribution, that is easily erased as the malinvestments begin to present themselves within the general economic distortions brought about by government and central bank interventions.
Adam Smith stated: "Though the wages of the workmen are commonly paid to him in money, his real revenue, like that of all other men, consists, not in money, but in the money's worth..."
This is indeed the case, for while the monetary unit may be exchanged as usual, the illusion of face value within fiat currency presents a distorted and skewed view of actual values. Information is thus distorted, providing for an accumulation of impotent decision-making ability within the economic arena. The addition of more “printed or digital money” does little to satisfy the demand for good information, on the contrary, it only increases the likelihood that misinformation will be processed in such economic decision-making, whether it be on the consumer or producer side of economic matters. Hence, we have a rather continuous bubble economy subject to massive inflation and disinflation.
Credit, or the amount of credit required to fuel a debt-based economy does not decrease with the expansion of the money supply especially when such an expansion continues to devalue the purchase value of the monetary unit through such inflation, thus there is a further distortion and requirement for credit since the potency of the currency is severely weakened by monetary expansion. As we have seen, Credit becomes an alternative to actual earned money. There are several factors which come into play, all of which are extremely complex and involve the character of a fostered and well- manipulated consumerism, along with a certain mass-psychology that has been stimulated by such bubble-economics.
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excellent....... A prudent
excellent.......
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Another question for Republicae
Thank you for your explanation. But a point on the money base:
Under this current fiat regime, there really is no such thing as base "money." It is just more debt. For the monetary base is not backed by gold, silver or anything real, just more debt.
This being the case, the monetary base could itself collapse before it ever has a chance to work its way though the economy.
You have described a credible scenario for inflation or hyperinflation. Can you describe an equally credible scenario for deflation?
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I’m glad you brought up
I’m glad you brought up the point concerning “base money” under a fiat regime since it is extremely important in our understanding of the mechanics of both inflation and deflation. Under sound money regimes there is a definite expansion and contraction, both of a physical nature however, as you stated we are not under such physical restraints, thus there are other mechanisms which must be considered when speaking about either inflation or deflation within a fiat regime.
As I have stated on numerous occasions, there is a huge amount of difference between the mechanisms of sound money and fiat money, the entire economic systems are based on totally difference mechanisms although the principles of economics remain the same in both systems because either sound or fiat money must operate within economic parameters regardless of the unit make-up. Now, that does not mean they are the same or produce the same results over a long protracted economic chart of events because they produce quite striking differences. I have also stated in other posts that it is impossible to compare the deflationary Great Depression with anything that could or will happen under a total fiat regime. There is a good reason for that; that being we live under a completely different type of economy world than that of the 20s and 30s, indeed even that of the 70s.
While we have grown accustom to the idea that fiat money is simply debt, which it most certainly is, there is however, much more to it than that because it is used and thought of as real money, as an asset, when in fact it is a double liability. Gold and silver, on the other hand, when used as money is a double asset.
Since we have been subjected to a massive inflation of the currency, both mixed and fiat, for the last 95 years, it is virtually impossible to fully grasp the economic world in which we actually live and function. Fiat money is based and can only be based upon a continual inflation of supply; this is especially true when, given time, the actual purchase quality of the monetary unity loses its potency to function properly as a monetary economic unit. In other words, since each monetary unit is debased in purchase value while retaining the same face value, there is the illusion that it is still functioning as though it’s face value and purchase value were at par, when just the opposite is true.
Inflation and deflation are based on either expansion or contraction of the supply of money, whether that money is physical or digital, fiat or sound. However, due to the very nature of fiat currency there is a propensity for inflation since it relies almost completely upon inflation of the money supply to adequately function within the manipulated economic arena of both government and central banking interventions. If it were simply a question of fiat money being based solely upon debt for its absolute creation/function then we would not be raising questions of either inflation or deflation in economic terms, but since it is not that simple such questions must and should arise. There are numerous factors involved with the manipulation of both the money and the overall economy under a fiat regime which normally, and more times than not, plays out with an inflationary event instead of a deflationary event.
Deflation, especially under a fiat regime, is rare; once again due to the nature of fiat currency and the propensity of governments/central banks to inflate. The primary beneficiaries of fiat currencies are governments, central banks and those closely connected with those institutions. As such, those institutions are willing to take extraordinary measures to ensure a continuation of bubble economies; indeed we have seen such measures being taken over the last couple of years. The monetary “base” or whatever we call it has been drastically expanded and while the results of such expansion is not readily seen at the moment, the efforts of this government/central bank to accelerate the re-inflation of a deflating bubble will have extremely detrimental effects on all of us.
The interesting thing is that we have seen, due to various factors, both inflation and deflation in several sectors of the economy over the last couple of years, but that is changing and inflation is, despite “official government numbers” becoming viral while wages are stagnating and consumerism, based on credit, is contracting. A little less than a year ago I could, for instance, buy a block of Feta Cheese for $2.94, today that very same block is priced at $6.45…does that spell out inflation? Not necessarily since there are numerous factors involved with pricing, but it is indicative that there is an inflationary pressure along the production line for such cheese. Likewise, there are numerous factors involved with the depression of pricing in certain sectors, most of which are due to massive malinvestments within those sectors, such as housing, automobiles.
In the short-term we will continue to seek a mixture of both inflation and deflation within different sectors of the economy. There has not been a generalized deflationary event or inflationary event at this point however, since the propensity of the government and central bank are to inflate and they are inflating at a rate that is truly massive, the likelihood of deflation under a fiat regime will remain extremely slim until this final inflationary bubble enters various stages of collapse, finally resulting in economic chaos, at which point any discussion of either inflation or deflation will simply be moot. There is an enormous misallocation of resources taking place in this and other countries and have been for decades, but it has now come to a tipping point where the economic substructure can no longer sustain or resist the pressures of such misallocation, redistribution and monetary expansion.
Post Script:
It is interesting and should definitely be noted that the most vocal proponent of the dangers of deflation are the central bankers themselves...ever thought why? The answer is not the commonly held view and I will expound on that thought later in another post.
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Thank you Republicae.... I
Thank you Republicae.... I have tried to explain the exact same thing.. the deflationary depression of the 30's will not be the same type of depression we have this time around. As you stated above, It is the quality of the money. The dollar was quality in the 30's.. it was backed by gold.. the quality of the dollar today is nothing.. it is backed by a corrupt governments promise to pay.. why some in here think the dollar is going to go on this grand strengthening ride is beyond me.. Being here at the daily paul, you would think people would know that the government is corrupt.. If the government is Corrupt then the money it produces is also corrupt. This is where Prechter and the other great "deflationists" miss the boat in my opinion.. Their model is flawed in that just as you have said.. the 2000's is different from the 1930's and even the 70's...
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If you look at the various
If you look at the various recession/depressions over the last 100 years or so, you will quickly see that overall deflation has not been a factor in any of them except the Great Depression. That is very interesting since deflation is commonly held to be not only a factor, but the contributing factor in such economic dislocations. Deflation can not only be described and is sometimes defined as a negative average inflation rate (i.e. a negative average annual rate of money growth or expansion of the supply), while a depression can be considered as a negative average output of real growth within a broad spectrum of economic sectors. Now, a moderate rate of inflation is considered anything below approximately 20% annual increases in the money supply and subsequent reflections of that inflation in broad pricing however, when you consider that any price increases of in the double digits it is always associated with “run-a-way” inflation it is hard to consider anything above 10% as moderate.
There was, as stated, only one economic depression associated with and thus forever linked in the minds of people with deflation; that being the 30s. No other period of economic depression or dislocation can be linked with deflation on a broad spectrum of economic indicators, primarily pricing and subsequent job loss. If deflation was automatically linked in every case of economic depression then perhaps there would be evidence to actually link depressions with deflation however, that is not the case. In fact, there are numerous instances where economic growth and deflation have coincided throughout history. Factually therefore, depressions and deflation have no real connections except in the minds of people, especially “official” government economists and the fact that the public has been led to believe such connections. There was, in fact, almost 60 years of deflation in this country while it was sustained rapid and broad economic growth during the first part of the 19th Century. Prices fell broadly and yet growth was relatively rampant.
Thus, it can be surmised that inflation is not necessarily indicative of economic growth or therefore, prosperity; likewise deflation is not necessarily indicative of economic decline or the creation of widespread poverty, there is simply no evidence to suggest that either positions are empirical in history.
It is also necessary to realize that there is a huge difference between anticipated and unanticipated deflation along with the psychology of both in relationship to anticipated and unanticipated inflation. The psychology between the two always have substantially different economic outcomes as those psychologies play out in economic activities among the public. Hence, the deflation of the Great Depression was and should be considered as unanticipated and was, in a very real sense, a programmed response to the monetary policies of the period preceding the episode called the Great Depression. In other words, there were other factors at work besides the contraction of the money supply that caused the Great Depression, most of it was due and exacerbated by government interventions in the markets.
For instance, there was deflation during the Great Depression, but only within the first 3 to 4 years until FDR pushed some extreme monetary policies on the country, yet the depression continued and the effects of it continued for a couple of decades. Thus the link between deflation and even that depression can only be considered a prima-facie linkage and not empirical in explanation of causation. So, if deflation was not the cause of the Great Depression and only a factor, what caused both the Great Depression and the short period of actual broad-spectrum deflation commonly associated with and commonly thought to have caused it?
It is also interesting to note that during the Great Depression that only 8 countries experienced both deflation and economic depression. The vast majority of them experienced deflation without economic depression and nearly 21 of them experienced depression without deflation. It is amazing that we have been conditioned to such a degree to always associate deflation with economic depression when the evidence is contrary.
I will continue this line of thought later today…
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I ask the question what
I ask the question what happened to gold during the 1930's.. gold was confiscated from the people at around 20.00 per ounce.. the government repriced at 35.00 . but to truly see what happened to gold in a deflationary depression in the 30's you look at gold stocks. One Gold mine.. Mahogony gold went from 2.00 an share to over 600.00.. same with most all gold stocks.. they went crazy. The prechter argument that gold will go to 125.00 an ounce during this/coming depression is hogwash.
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My next question. We haven't
My next question.
We haven't really seen more money in the system, what we have is the government replacing the individual in the credit market and borrowing from the Fed, which lends it to banks who lend it. But it can be removed since it will have to be paid back.
If the government were to print without borrowing, then that leads to hyperinflation.
That is the risk and will happen when individuals stop buying and holding government treasury notes.
grant
Quite the contrary is
Quite the contrary is true…we have seen a contraction, not of the money supply, which has exploded, but of credit/debt. Credit/debt is not virtual money although it operates in a similar fashion as money, or should I say as fiat currency. There is a huge difference between the two, i.e. money vs credit/debt.
Now, since the fractional reserve system normally relies upon credit/debt to multiply the expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve we are not seeing the massive inflation that normally would be associated with such an expansion however, the money base has been inflated enormously. There is a log-jam waiting to break free and apparently both the government and the FED are doing all they can to break that log jam; once that happens several things are possible in an economic atmosphere where uncertainty rules the day. There could easily be several scenarios ranging from massive inflation to hyperinflation, both of which will send this economy into an inflationary depression. The road from here on out gets very rocky and very dark; it is also apparent that our government is well aware that economic destruction is still looming on the horizon and are doing all they can to delay this economic storm, since there is nothing, absolutely nothing they can do to actually stop it. There tool box is empty and they can only forestall the effects of 96 years of gross mismanagement through centralized monetary policies, government interventions and regulatory bias.
Contrary to many who see deflation, there has not been deflation only disinflation and a massive deflation of an artificially induced bubble economy built on false assumptions and manipulated economic mechanics. Remember, for the last 96 years the purchase value of the currency unit has been drastically devalued through inflation to the tune of about 1% per annum and is around 95% debasement, meaning there is a massive amount of inflationary pressure already resident within the monetary system of this country.
There are few, if any options, left to either this government or their lap-dog: the Federal Reserve. They have no solutions and the solutions they implement create more problems requiring more of their solutions.
Prepare yourselves good folks, this roller-coaster ride is far from over and the so-call "recovery" is nothing more than a thin illusion.
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Log Jam
The one flaw I can see in this argument is the assumption that the Fed and US Govmt have the power to break this "log-jam" as you describe it. The log-jam exists in the first place as a consequence of the change in the mood and psychology of the market participants. The Fed and gov't cannot influence or change the direction of crowd psychology. They are subject to it themselves, and at best serve as conduits for its expression. This is why deflation (contractiong supply of money and credit) will continue to be with us for a while.
Actually, the government,
Actually, the government, via the FED, does have the power to break this “log-jam” since the FED has provided, to the delight of the vast majority of commercial banks, a virtual “risk-free” way for the banks to make money without actual lending. The commercial banks in this country have increased their “reserves” nearly 20-fold over the last couple of years thanks solely to the FED’s monetary policies. It has provided these banks with the ability to “park” these monies in their FED reserve accounts at a rate of interest that provides them with a handsome income without the risks normally associated with lending those reserves. No, the “log-jam” is a result of several factors, primarily that of monetary policies that created massive misallocations of capital into malinvestments of a bubble economy. The FED is a Pro at directing the mood and psychology of market participants and has been doing it successfully for decades, of which the housing market is a prime example. The FED operates within the realm of herd mentality and does it very well; the results of such manipulations can be seen since the early 20s and throughout the subsequent decades of bubbles and busts. The “crowd” is eager to jump on the next bubble ride and the FED is doing their part, a part they are extremely experienced in, to make sure that the “crowd” follows the same well-beaten path they have always followed before.
We have not seen a contraction of the supply of money only of the availability of credit, that relates, once again, to my initial point about the FED reserve accounts of commercial banks and not to either a mass aversion to either credit or debt, or the desire of the “crowd” to continue borrowing; indeed in such an economy there is an absolute necessity of such borrowing due to the fact that most people cannot live within their means, although more and more are attempting to do so due to the “scarcity” of credit and a prevalent fear produced by a distortion of information in the markets.
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Republicae: Carry trade question
Republicae,
Don't you feel that the Dollar's new role as the currency of choice for the carry trade is either causing now or will at some point cause another asset bubble to collapse when the FED signals a change in near zero rate policy?
And if so, do you believe as I do that there will be another round of unwinding of those carry trades that causes, in your words disinflation, during the unwinding of these trades?
Furthermore, isn't it quite possible, if not likely; that the next asset bubble unwinding, created by the FED's near-zero interest rate policy, will cause another large dollar rally ?
There will be yet another
There will be yet another central bank driven speculative bubble [it actually began before this latest economic dislocation presented itself] it’s not hard to spot. The problem is that once a central bank embarks on the road of Quantitative Easing is becomes extremely difficult to reverse course. In fact, artificial interest manipulation has created a massive distortion in the market, one so skewed that the normal division of labor is on the verge of breaking down; there is simply no adequate and trusty information on which to make business decisions. The quality of risk has become foggy and when risk becomes foggy there are few willing to take risk normally associated with decision-making.
Carry Trade is nothing more than an export on credit scheme used to manipulate debt in a way that waters down risks and increase profits, but there again, it quickly becomes a distortion within the market and distortions are very dangerous. What happened in Japan was that it allowed for dysfunctional debt to be carried by the Bank of Japan and it became easy to borrow Yen from the Bank of Japan while buying higher yield dollar denominated paper. Of course, a positive carry trade can only exist when the currency risk between the US Dollar and the Yen is naked. Likewise, the same would be true of a Dollar Carry Trade system. There is, of course, always a real danger in any naked trade whether it is currency, stocks, futures, etc.
Prior to 1929, there was a similar carry trade between US/Germany and it contributed to the crash in some very interesting ways. Most countries embark on a carry trade to shift inherent instability from their economy to another. Of course, such carry trades tend to lend a great deal of liquidity to the markets of the world and are therefore hard to resist…that is until lower yielding currency appreciates in value then there can be obvious trouble.
Since savings are no longer a prerequisite to credit expansion, there is an unnatural demand created for debt. Apparently, it appears that most people, especially in this country, thought that there was an infinite supply of credit and the credit creation machine ran on perpetual motion; they saw no end in sight. All credit assessments must rely on the capital to support the loan and the ability of repayment, both of those fundamental principles are distorted in the artificial market as administered by the central banks of the world. Now, the governments of the world have stepped in and even the necessity to liquidate bad assets has been distorted, thus we have a major moral hazard that has been created and is expanding.
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Republicae, thank you
for clearing that up. Sounds straight to me. You do such a nice job of explaining these things. Where have you been? The Dailypaul missed you.
My new bride and I have
My new bride and I have spent the last 8 months preparing our refuge from the storm, thus my absence was due to all the extremely hard work in making such preparations. Good to be back, thank you!
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Republicae
I too have missed your posts. I'm so glad you're back. Congratulations on your wedding.
Thank you so
Thank you so much!
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Republicae...
glad to see you back as well. Your wisdom is needed, and has been for a while.
Thank you too, I really
Thank you too, I really appreciate it.
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Republicae, I was
Republicae,
I was sierrahpbt... don't ask.. lol...... thanks for your explanation above..
is is as plain as the nose on peoples faces where we are heading. And yes we have/I have missed you and your education I receive from you. Congrats to you and your new Bride.. Glad to see you are preparing for tough times.. If every househoild would do that we could survive as a nation.. but some seem to think things are turning around.. they are not and won't till all malinvestiment is washed.. again thanks.
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Republicae
Glad to see you're back. If you don't mind me asking, what preparations have you taken? Any advice you can give?
New bride!
Congratulations! Welcome back, and glad to hear you are prepared for the coming storm, bride in hand.
Ah yes, she's a good ole
Ah yes, she's a good ole soul I grant you and she has proved a good help mate in such preparations. We've known each other for 28 years so the decision to marry came easy and made sense at our ages.
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How romantic!
With all the young people on this forum, it is nice to hear of romance among the older.
Deflation also occurs when
Deflation also occurs when people stop compulsive buying and buy what they need. No plastic Chinese junk for Christmas. But locally.
grant
Which is why we have no deflation.
There is absolutely no contraction in the money supply.
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True but...
Deflation is also caused by super-production or goods and services. That is why government is always involved in restricting production.
grant
Zimbabwe
During its hyperinflation Zimbabwe also hadt he "best" performing stock index in the world. Unemployment was also at 0% (people were "employed" panning for gold in the muddy rivers, digging for roots and tubors to eat, or smuggling themselves across the border with S. Africa).
"Despite the likely current
"Despite the likely current fall in commercial-bank lending out of thin air, as long as the rate of growth of the money supply remains positive, one should talk about inflation rather than deflation.
However, as the pace of monetary pumping by the US central bank is starting to fall sharply, there is a growing likelihood that the fall in commercial-bank lending out of thin air will cause actual deflation."
http://mises.org/daily/38...
Very Important
ANY attempt by the Fed to curtail "pumping", QE, or 0% rates will crash the stock market.
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More facts to confirm the fact that we are in a deflationary cycle
www.marketoracle.co.uk/Ar...
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ok.. inthe article where it
ok.. inthe article where it talks about declining employment.. Zimbabwe goes through a massive hyperinflation.. did zimbabwe go threw a massive jobs increase?? NO....... these articles are BS... we have the models of other nations who have gone on before us.. go look at history... or better yet listen to Ron Paul.... HYPERINFLATIONARY DEPRESSION.. Some things will increas in price and some will deflate... why is this so hard to understand?
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Exactly right. Who cares
Exactly right. Who cares that the price of houses or yachts or Mercedes-Benzes are dropping when the money in circulation is rising and pushing up the prices of the things people are actually buying? Food, energy, commodities and the like. Credit is only a monetary statistic for the things which people are willing to go into debt for. If no one is borrowing and the banks don't want to lend, then credit contraction is not a destruction of the money supply. But, if the Fed continues to try and reflate the asset bubbles by printing more money, in effect replacing lost credit with money, then that's real inflation.
The Fed keeps pushing more money into the banks both directly and through the interest paid on excess reserves. They can't recall those reserves (contrary to their jawboning) without destroying the balance sheets of the banks and the banks can't sit on those reserves forever b/c they have expenses which zero-bound interest rates are not covering, namely their depositors.
Hyperinflation is a potential. But, the money masters are not stupid, they know, or think they know, how far they can push this and only incite sincere inflation (10-30%) while still keeping their power base intact. I'm not convinced they're that smart, but I know they aren't completely stupid either.
Either way, you buy gold and you hold onto it. B/c in all scenarios gold will outperform the dollar or any other fiat currency for the near future.
If you disagree, put your money where your mouth is and buy 30 year T-Bills at 4.4% Seriously. Do you honestly believe US T-Bills are underpriced? If you believe the deflation argument, then yes you do. 0.36% on 1 year money. Gold has to move $2 higher or lower to get you that kind of return.
Ta,
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The amount of global monetary stimulus thrown at curing the deflation problem is staggering, yet here we are with the same debt overhang ... no jobs and no way to pay of the debt. Deflation looms larger than ever because of Central Bank efforts to fight it. Why is that so hard to understand?
and as the debt grows the
and as the debt grows the amount of money to service the debt grows.. where do they get the money to service that debt when business sucks and employment is 50%.... THEY PRINT IT. THIS IS HOW THE CURRENCY gets destroyed... this is what Argentina did, this is what Zimbabwe did, Thios is what germany did... this is somewhat what is happening in iceland......
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
They don't "print it."
They did print it in Germany and Argintina, but I think this regime has learned its lesson. They are definitely NOT printing bank notes. I know this is a figure of speech, but be careful that you not take it literally.
The problem with printing notes is that they then go into the economy permanently. This inevitably leads to inflation / hyperinflation.
What the Fed is (attempting to do) now is CREATE CREDIT. Unlike banknotes, credit can be created, and it can also be destroyed. The problem they're having now is getting the credit they've created into the hands of the public.
For mostly political reasons, they're attempting to use the banking system to "inject" money into the system. The problem is that the banks are hoarding it instead of circulating it to the people who need it most: The homeowners who are being foreclosed upon, the businesses that are dying, etc.
The result is a two-tiered system in which financial services firms prosper - banks, brokers & insurance companies - while average people suffer.
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Read the argument for D-E-F-L-A-T-I-O-N
something else needs to be
something else needs to be realized... China is slowly dumping dollars..
India just dumped 6.7 billion dollars when they bought the gold from the IMF.. Every day or so you read about china and billion dollar deals.. at some point those dollars come home to roost..
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6.7 billion dollars of SDRs
is what India used...Here, please read this article:
http://wallstreetpit.com/...
so instead of actual paper
so instead of actual paper notes the government sends digit money directly into an account or writes a check... they do not need to actually print physical money... germany had to print actual physical dollars because they did not have computers.... wether it is digits in computer or physical papoer currency does not matter..
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Reason why I don't borrow money.
Bankers are hoarding it? Or are they just taking their salaries, closing up shop, and letting the Fed take over the bank's assets?
I believe the latter is what's happening.
They are taking what salaries they can as long as they can keep the bank open and then those same bankers will purchase the cheap properties that have been foreclosed upon.
Pretty good scheme.
grant
we will have hyperinflation---
but not before we are destroyed by deflation...
inflation is the least of your worries....
you keep bringing up printing money...
Here’s Mish, from 2008, making clear the limitations of money printing in an attempt to prevent deflation in a fiat regime:
”Although Japan was rapidly printing money, a destruction of credit was happening at a far greater pace. There was an overall contraction of credit in Japan for close to 5 consecutive years. Property values plunged for 18 consecutive years. The stock market plunged from 40,000 to 7,000. Cash was hoarded and the velocity of money collapsed.
These are classic symptoms of deflation that a proper definition incorporating both money supply and credit would readily catch. Those looking at consumer prices or monetary injections by the bank of Japan were far off the mark. Yes, there was deflation in Japan. Furthermore, if deflation can happen in Japan, then there is no reason why it cannot happen in the US as well.”
Good post.
Debt is the anchor that drags us into deflation.
no we won't...... ever hear
no we won't...... ever hear the saying inflate or die.. that is the governments choice.....
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
"Furthermore, if deflation
"Furthermore, if deflation can happen in Japan, then there is no reason why it cannot happen in the US as well."
Sure, it CAN happen, but what we want to know is what WILL happen. My question would be whether the Japanese government ever went out and blew money on public works projects and job creation, because that is what is happening here with the stimulus.
deflation IS happening right now...
this is not some sort of argument as to whether it will or will not happen---
we are already there--- we are only just getting started as well....
CPI up, PPI up, asset prices
CPI up, PPI up, asset prices up from lows, money supply up...what evidence do you have that there has been a decrease in the money supply?