Proof positive. Chemtrails do not exist! See for yourself.
Posted November 5th, 2009 by gratefulgraft
Just researching a bit on the panic in the Ukraine, which could lead to martial law because of a bunch of crazies thinking they see something nefarious in the sky, and are getting sick from it.
Which lead me to this video of, what is so obvious, normal contrails and normal clouds, not chemtrails like so many "kooks" are saying they see.
Frankly, I remember as a child, big blue skies and big fluffy clouds. Now I look up and see haze and big x's all over which turn into a wavy grey sky, and I know that I was just mistaken long ago. Well, actually I have gotten this reprimand from so many that I speak to, that they must be right and I am just crazy, so I will go along with the mainstream and pronounce the trails as natural contrails.
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This topic is so aggravating
This topic is so aggravating for me. I'm sick of the murky skies, the drippy nose, itchy eyes, continuous crap spraying over the great lakes since April. We've had no spring...no summer and now no fall. My solar garden lights don't work any more...the harvest for vegetables was worst I've seen. How is solar power off the grid going to help if the mystery sprayers keep blocking out the sun. Anyone who thinks this weather pattern all over the world is normal is in DEEP DENIAL. The continuous rain under murky skies is ripe for fungus and mold. Someone a while back mentioned the trails were black. I now notice a blackness to the cloud streams. ...and no it is not shadows!!!! Flu anyone?
I grew up in Detroit.
can I assume you are concerned about global warming? or are you missing it already?
dull, gloomy and flat, is how I remember michigan.
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
the sky is definately different now
then it was when i was much younger.
my 2 cent's
when you look up into the sky, what you are seeing is a vapor, a vapor and a gas are the same thing, one is just closer to the point at which it changes state. what you will see up there is both the condensation as well as the evaporation of water, watch closely and you can see them both form as well as disappear, for 1 lb of water, to change state, it requires 970.3 btu's. this is a fantastic amount, and is the basis for both refrigeration and air conditioning.
it is not only temperature that affects the point at which a vapor will change state, pressure is also involved. as you go up higher in the atmosphere, the pressure lessens.
you are a fish, at the bottom of an ocean of air. and I have attempted to explain that you are "wet"
"chemtrails" may well be true. but it certainly sems to me it would be MUCH easier to do it in other way's. like flouride for instance.
my effort was not to detract, it was to inform.
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
you are correct .. there are easier ways to poison us sooo...
what could those PTB folks be thinking hmm?
they are NEVER frivolous in their spending and execution of plans. so they have what they believe is a REALLY good reason for doing them.
Anytime
You have heavy contrails that don't evaporate within seconds and expand all over the skies your looking looking at something other than water vapor. We tested air, water and soil in Bryan College Station after a particularly heavy even of this type. We found concentrations of aluminum and barium and a material consistent with what appeared to be sulphonated gilsonite ?
Makes sense as it is readily available and extraordinarily fine. Anyway the aluminum and barium are toxic the gilsonite is not. Thats what it was and if it's seen again I can only imagine it will be of the same recipe, nonetheless it's not a theory it's a fact, exactly what it's for is dubious. Definitely not healthy. If the maniacs screaming pig flu wanted to spread it nationwide the delivery service is operational. Sorry I was reading some of the stupidity here
and had to respond.
I've watched these things for a number of years,
and I cannot see any reason why a commercial aircraft would fly across the sky, and turn around and fly back the other way, and then turn around again and fly back, making patterns with these trails.
Normally aircraft are flying from one place to another.
No transportation craft flys around making tic-tac-toe grids in the sky.
I have personally seen these jets turn around, making consecutive 180 degree turns, or other turns that indicate that they are going nowhere, except to make these trails.
I've seen it.
Many times.
I guess you haven't flown much.
Often the airport is too busy so they have to "circle" around until they receive clearance from air traffic control that there is a room for them to come in.
Oh, ok.....
I guess chemtrails don't exist.
Thanks for clearing up this conspiracy
for us Carlin.
Yeah,
" Circling" is not what they are doing.
They are flying back and forth with regular spacing intervals between the trail layouts that they are leaving.
There's nothing "circling" about it.
In the 1980s, I lived very close to O'hare airport near Chicago, and I saw as many stacking patterns as anybody.
I know what stacked-up aircraft do, and this is nothing at all like that.
Now c'mon...
you just know deep inside that bored air traffic controllers are now playing tic-tak-toe with aircraft in holding patterns.... lol.
This equities guy has had, to date, the stupidest excuses for behavior I have ever had the misfortune to read on a forum.
However, he is almost halfway to being entertaining with rationalizing aircraft flying a checkerboard pattern hundreds of miles from an airport and spewing crap out of them as simply a ~holding pattern~.
Next it will be rationalizing health care rationing NOT as death panels, but as merely making citizens have a more positive carbon footprint while being a nonproducing asset.
Heh.
Same here..
Big T.
Another strange thing
that I've seen is that they can turn these trails on and off.
I have watched jets creating these trails, and then for some reason, the trail is shut off, but the jet didn't change direction or altitude. It was just flying along making a trail, and then the trail stops, and then a little later it comes on again.
Alot of times, this happens when they are making the turnaround to go back the other way.
I have no idea why they turn them on and off.
I just know that they do.
How old are you?
The reason I ask is that air travel is much more prevalent today than it was when lots of people were kids. Flying used to be a luxury. Now everyone can afford it and there's so many more flights. So naturally there's going to be more contrails and more "big x's."
That is my point, Carlin-Equities.
I am 48, by the way. Did you watch the video? Yes, flying used to be a luxury and from what I remember, skies used to be full of fluffy clouds, or clear blue with the planes passing through and leaving a rapidly dissipating vapor trail, which is what we used to call contrails. Now, the planes leave a wide trail that does not dissipate, and the stripes in the sky spread out and join the other cross hatches and stripes and in a few hours the entire sky is blocked out by the residue from the planes, not all planes mind you, just the ones which fly and spray and return in a cross hatch and criss and cross. So how do you explain it? Either mine eyes deceive me, or I am crazy, or I should become mainstream and block it out?
And there's also weather modification programs now
If you need proof of that, I can give you plenty. All official sources, none from youtube.
I'm sure there are, and I hope there are.
That would be a legitimate scientific endeavor.
But that's not what you're seeing in the skies. I live in a large city where there is a large airport. Some days there are no trails. Some days the sky is FULL of them, coming from all the planes going and coming to the airport. It depends on the humidity levels.
There's no conspiracy. There's no reason to hide "weather modification programs."
Sorry Carlin-Equities Do Some Research Please...
Will Thomas has been on this subject longer than anyone I know of and here where you are wrong about humidity.
http://www.willthomasonli...
CONTRAIL FORMATION
Contrails cannot form behind aircraft unless the atmosphere is very cold. As NASA explains, “Contrails only form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 kilometers) where the air is extremely cold (less than -70°F).”
NASA, NOAA and other scientific cloud-gazers also agree that a relative humidity of 70% or higher is necessary for cloud and contrail formation. If the air is very dry, contrails do not form behind airplanes,” states the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Taking NASA's expertise as contrail catechism, chemtrail investigator Clifford Carnicom correlating atmospheric readings by NASA's Climate Diagnostics Center of with 21 days of heavy “chemtrail” gridding over Santa Fe from January 1999 to August 1999. At altitudes where persistent white plumes criss-crossed the usually cloudless New Mexico sky, Carnicom found 30% humidity or less.
In a region known for big blue skies 360 days of the year, most desert days used to begin with typically clear skies.
But as USAF “Weather Force” tanker planes were photographed laying chemical tails in extensive grid patterns and characteristic satellite-marking X's, Carnicom and other New Mexico skywatchers saw the planes create artificial cirrus cloud layers - turning clear skies into a milky haze.
“One would have expected these days to be generally clear at that altitude,” Carnicom commented. “But that was not the case.”
CONTRAILS OR CHEMTRAILS?
Contrails form when hot, moist engine exhausts momentarily condense stratospheric ice crystals into wispy trails, like breath exhaled on a cold day.
As an atmospheric expert wrote to explain: “Water in its liquid state is a normal component of jet exhaust and when the airplane is high enough (the higher you go the colder it gets) it is cold enough to flash freeze that water. The water goes from liquid to ice. The ice 'sparkles' when sunlight hits it and we see a 'white' contrail.”
But in the stratosphere, the air pressure is so low these ice crystals “subduct” - switching directly to vapor reverting to the liquid state. Jeremy suggests: “A simple layman's observation technique would be to hold up a 'fist' at arm's length. A normal contrail disappears behind your outstretched fist as the ice 'subducts' to an invisible vapor. Generally, anything that persists longer is not a normal contrail.”
Another big point, he adds: “The altitudes at which planes must be flying to flash freeze the water in their exhausts are so high that you can barely see the plane. So, if a plane is larger than the fly-speck you see at one end of your fist, very likely flying too low for water to flash freeze. Therefore, it's 'probably' not a normal contrail.”
Both 'formation' and 'persistence' of a normal contrail will be affected by daily changes in temperature, humidity and air-pressure at high altitudes. Still, the observational technique of fist-at-arm's length remains a useful “rule of thumb” for sorting contrails from the chemtrails. [Chemtrails Confirmed 2007 by William Thomas]
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Contrails can persist for many hours.
Contrails conspiracy theorists base their argument on the premise that contrails don't persist for a long time. That way they can claim that since it's been in the air a long time, it's therefore a chemtrails. However, that premise is just made up. It's totally fabricated.
Contrails DO last a long time.
"Condensation trails, or contrails, generated from high-altitude aircraft exhaust may affect climate because they can persist for many hours." http://www.areco.org/minn...
One of the things I was going to show you is a roundtable
on how to hide weather modification programs. The Air Force also dumps 500 tons of chaff annually.
I won't argue the existence of chemical contrails because there's way too much official evidence for them. I won't attribute any more to them other than weather modification and radar blocking though.
And how exactly would messing with the weather be worthwhile?
Any Moron
Can take their air sample to any community college and have shot on one of their GCs.
This is extremely simply to prove and yet there is no evidence to support it. Here in California we have ARB that samples air all around the state to determine contamination. Guess what! This conspiracy does not hold water.
There is an old adage, "thou protest to much", I would like to modify it, thou conspire to much. It hurts your credibility, and mine.
Has anyone ever
thought about the possibility that the chemtrails and the vaccinations may be segments of a 2-part chem/bio-warfare agent?
By this, I mean that there is some seemingly harmless agents coming down in the chemtrails, and some seemingly harmless agents in the vaccines, but when the 2 parts are combined in the body, they form a bio-warfare agent.
Like a binary system which only works when the 2 parts are present.
Is that a possibility?
BigT~ A 2 part chem/bio warfare
Yes! Time released /genetically targeted ??..diseases will occur but they will not link it to vaccines ( until 50 years from now..maybe they will admit it) it's all about POPULATION CONTROL..sickness, death, wars, hunger, genetically altered /food, air and water. Population Control. I have heard of the combined theory of vaccine and chemicals from some other sources.
My gut feeling is this rings plausible, at the very least.
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Anything is possible
but highly improbable. Someone would have leaked the conspiracy by now.
Makes you wonder about the
Makes you wonder about the Baxter tainted vaccine that was discovered in the Ukraine a while back.
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