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Why Shouldn't We Take the Fort Hood Shooting at Face Value?

I don't trust either the military or the media to give an honest account of what took place, but couldn't it be just what they say it is? A Muslim- American with sympathies for his brothers and sisters in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran who would rather die than be deployed? Here is a person who knows first hand what exactly happens over there in all aspects because he was allowed access to the minds of countless vets with PTSD. Why is it so hard to believe that he merely snapped. Decided to take out as many soldiers as he could on his way out. What are the implications if the story is not accurate? What is to be gained by a false flag? Are many Muslims NOT predisposed to a learned hatred of Western ideals or personal revulsion of the unjust occupations? So many people are starting to question 9/11. How much easier it must be for a Muslim to embrace the idea that 9/11 was a false flag. Is this attack at Fort Hood that much of a reach? At this stage in the investigation anything is speculation, but if you think what we are hearing is not true, what is the motivation in this scenario? What purpose does this serve? Anti-Muslim sentiment? Isn't there already enough of that to poison the next few generations already?

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Fort Hood false flag

Fort Hood was a false flag by government agents to further instill hate against Muslims and thereby to support the Rothschildean-American-Zionist empire's exploitative and genocidal wars against middle eastern Muslim countries.
Hasan is the patsy who never fired a single shot on Thursday 5 November 2009.
He was left for dead on the transit hall floor and now is at great risk of being suicided.
Prior experience (the 9/11 attacks) lead me to suspect the 3 - 5 actual gunmen were brown-skinned CIA/Mossad agents in army fatigues.
False eye-witness testimonies will be procured and broadcast in the main stream media.
Hasan will not be allowed to speak to a neutral third party in order to keep the false flag a secret.

I have watched the story morph before my eyes. Which version?

Now, when an event happens and the only witnesses are the people involved as perpetrator or victim, a skewing of facts from these perspectives is understandable. In this case, there were LOTS of witnesses. A few variations are still to be expected, but I watched a story go by of a man being apprehended in a cemetery, including an eyewitness account. What happened to that guy? Am I to believe that one of the "security officers who merely returned fire" (today's spin) and MAY have accidentally killed people then fled? Or (more likely) if I were to go try to find that story again, will it be gone?
Details emerge as different witnesses are questioned, but the entire story should not change.
What DID happen? I will probably never know, but I must know the signs of when I am being lied to. The governmedia is lying.

In my humble opinion, this is a hard lesson for all Americans.

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The question for me is; "Can Loyalty Be Bought With American Money ?"

This goes for the military and our President.

I think the banker/political coalition believes it can be, but human nature says,"not all the time".

Interesting day to have this horrible event occur.

The same day as the health care demonstration and right before the vote on the health care bill on Saturday, which is expected to pass under the radar and now WAY below the radar.

With a gargantuan breach of security at Fort Hood to address, will the Congress still go ahead with the health care vote?

Consider that the protest in D.C. got no coverage at all from the MSM, which were all following the Fort Hood killings?

Is there sufficient paranoia out there to consider such a possibility while the health care goes on business as usual?

Great minds and all that .

Great minds and all that . .. That was the first thing I looked for too. I wanted to see what they may be covering up with this media distraction.

Blessings )o(

"Another coincidence" is a phrase equal to "the" in my..

vocabulary.

in THIS case, what does "face value" mean?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Everyone is coming at this from his/her perspective and experience and cultural background.

I was 'taught' to distrust Muslims and think of Jews as 'our brothers'--

and then I began to question that when I was very young. Beyond that, I was taught to laugh at the Muslims who attended the state university I attended.

And what I saw was not bad, not good. They were just people. I tried to feed my prejudices, and I wasn't successful when I was honest.

So, for ME, this is a turnaround from what it is for many on here, perhaps?

I began years ago to see Muslims as human beings. When 9/11 happened, I felt badly; I knew it was wrong, but I thought of all the atrocities around the world (some of which were engineered by Americans/CIA, etc.) and found myself wondering why all humans didn't mourn 'equally' for suffering, wherever it was found or imposed.

I am sympathizing with this man and sympathizing with Muslims, because I am SO tired of the hatred of Muslims that exists around me, in my part of America. I don't want to hear it anymore. I have had a personal paradigm shift, and I know that there are 'bad guys' in every culture and ethnic group, but there are no more 'bad guys' among Middle eastern Arabic peoples than others.

So--

what if I am feeling sympathy for this man and feel that he, now dead, is being used as a scapegoat and may not even be guilty of anything other than having expressed his feelings? How do we know he was not used as a 'booby'?

He can't speak now, so how can we know? Whom do we trust? I am inclined NOT to trust 'my' government or 'my' military ANY MORE!!!

my thinking is

if he did it to be against the war, he couldnt possibly done a worse job. I mean even I know you dont attack the ones who pull the trigger you kill the one who points the gun (the politicians). I mean he basically attacked cannon foder. He could have killed a u.s. senator, or congressman that voted for the war in the first place and really done something. So if we are assuming he was in his right mind, then there is no way this is on the up and up.

if we are assuming he was taking some of the drugs he was prescribing then yeah this may be true.

My first thoughts too.

And feel this is the strength of the Daily Paul, to investigate further, and expose the criminality.
"Don't let them take your guns away!" - a british citizen.

Can anyone find any info on

Can anyone find any info on who the contracted police officer was working for? I know they use contractors for police as well as guards at the entry of the base. But when it was announced that a contracted cop shot and killed him, my first thought was which contractor is supplying the police to Fort Hood.

Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it.

Question Everything! “It

Question Everything!

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
-Sam Adams

These facts should disturb anyones sleep at night:

IRAQ
2,000,000 DEAD
4,000,000 FLED
GENOCIDE
THEFT
TORTURE
CHOLERA
STARVATION

Hard to believe???

I don't know if it is true or not. For this reason all questions must be asked, including if it is a false flag.
13 killed and 30 injured?
Just a little strange that soldiers who are trained could be gunned down by a single man in such a manner.
grant

A thought

Where's the balance here ? Apparently, tragically someone inside the base at Ft Hood opened fire and killed several people at the base. I've personally driven up there to Temple and witnessed what appeared to be a large group of UN soldiers (dressed in baby blue from head to toe) on maneuvers What that says is anyone's guess. I don't particularly care for international colors or international anything in my country carrying firearms that could be used against American citizens. If you ask the folks in New Orleans I'd bet more than a few would tell you that soldiers from other countries were stealing their guns and tearing up their homes to do so. FEMA was supposedly cutting fire and police communication lines there ? Finally insofar as balance is concerned, in Iraq there are scenes of devastation where the bodies are being piled up like firewood, reminiscent of concentration camp footage. Piled up and buried or burned...Are you seeing that on the nightly news ? Imagine 2 million dead, enough to fill to capacity 20 football stadiums...Welcome to Iraq...If you had a family there one day gone the next by a single bomb where would your head be ? Some of these soldiers are shooting themselves not to go back, some are surely being murdered and some are committing suicide. The whole thing is sick and that goes right to the top. The people in charge are the sickness. Getting rid of the disease is the cure.

What I think is "Face value".....

He is muslim.
He doesn't agree with the war.
He tried not to be deployed.
Requested assistance to get out, "willing to pay back the government"
"Tormented and harassed" by others for his beliefs
Does not want kill those who share his beliefs. Not only does the enemy die during a war, but many innocent civilians.
Those in that building were heading off to war to do what he believes is immoral and reprehensible.

I ask you as I play devils advocate....If our government, not the lawmakers, were coming to take your guns, gold, freedom.......How would you deal with the person knocking at your door?

Every man has his breaking point......Who are we to decide when or what is that breaking point for another man.
They should have removed him from that environment if they were going to discharge him.(reassignment elsewhere other than the middle east, desk job, something)

The government should be cautious if they try to recruit me to snitch or murder my fellow freedom fighters (Daily Paulers or Defenders of the Constitution, etc....). I may have to"kill messenger(s)". no pun intended..
"Every generation needs a new r3VOLution"- Thomas Jefferson

I take it at face value.

but it is bad timing for opponents of ObamaCare.

But I would just like to thank, the female civilian officer who was the first responder and stopped this lunatic. She almost got killed and she is a truly courageous individual.

Sometimes

Things are just like they seem.

I think this is one of those times.

I do not know, of course, ....

....and I doubt that we shall ever hear the whole truth of the matter.

If I were a suspicious man, these would be my top suspects on the list of motives for staging this type of event. (Assuming that some evil wizard behind the curtain orchestrated/manipulated the event.)

1. It is a perfect way to take the public's attention of the health care reform that is under consideration in this next week. The shootings comes at a time when Congress is poised to make the most egregiously illegal and evil act ever.
2. It's an attempt to stir up anti-Muslim sentiments in a country that's getting tired of the whole idea of Middle East domination. The banker/military-industrial cartel stands to lose billions if the wars wind down from lack of public support. And already, the diehard Democrats are scratching their heads on Obama's post-campaign flip flop about ending the wars.
2.5. In keeping with #2, it's also an attempt to turn up the heat on Iran. If this is the case, I would expect to be advised that this guy's Muslim mentors were Iranian-based militants and that he was acting in the interests of Iran.
3. It's a set-up for a new wave of gun control legislation. I've been noticing all year that there have been LOTS of shooting rampage stories in the news, and yet the gun-getters haven't pounced yet with a new wave of anti-gun legislation. Why not pounce at every new incident? Perhaps they're waiting until they can say something like "In this last year alone, there have been X deaths from handgun violence....". If this incident is part of such a conspiracy, I would expect to learn that the handguns used were not government issued, but were his personal property.
4. It's an attempt to paint all war protesters as mentally-unstable kooks. Perhaps there's a new profile that will come forward, showing the "warning signs" that somebody is losing his marbles, with hesitance about the wars being top on the list.

And, of course, even if it was NONE of these things---even if it was truly what it may appear to be----we must not forget what both Rham Emanuel and Hillary Clinton have said: "Never waste a good crisis." It will still be used as an opportunity to do some or all of the above. This is simply what these people do. If they got lucky this time and were presented with a real-world, legitimate event, and didn't have to fabricate one for themselves, that's even better for them. But this is still what these people do.

Jack

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.c...

good points

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You left one out

They are not going to miss a chance to "divide" in their quest to "conquer." The Muslim aspect is being played. The media gives the people an option of how to feel - indignant that anyone would even note his religion, or scared of the infiltration of our military by Jihadists. If you ask the average programmee which way they feel, they might, in a fit of pseudo-rationality, declare "The truth is probably somewhere in between." Well, no, the truth is WAYYYYYY out there in left field, where people are programmed not to look.

On a related note, I worry about the Oathkeepers in all this.

well said

well said

Don't count out that it could not be a black op.

As a false flag, another massacre towards gun control legislation. They still want your guns!!

A false flag, the massacre involving many deaths by a lone gunman was behind the gun control laws in Australia in the 90's. The legislation was pushed through within roughly 3 weeks after it happening.

Continuous false flags...

http://revisionistreview....

HOODWINK IN TEXAS

Script Change: The dead lone nut gunman has been resurrected and so have the eyewitnesses who saw more than one shooter.

The story here on the West coast at circa 5:35 pm Pacific Time from ABC, CBS and NBC on their nightly newscasts had been that Dr. Hasan had been killed and that he was the lone gunman (contrary to earlier reports of eyewitnesses seeing more than one shooter).

Now the gunman is said to be alive and the story of eyewitnesses and
another shooter is being circulated again.

What does this signify? It signifies that a ceremony is underway in the
Manchurian candidate's laboratory of mind control and mind games.
They're showing us how fake is their facade, how thin their storyline
is, how much they lie and masquerade and yet..and yet...we still believe
them.

Stay tuned for updates on this bubbling alchemical cauldron... --Michael
Hoffman

http://revisionistreview....

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The alleged assailant is given a promotion at the same time federal authorities claim he started internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and "other threats"? So we are to believe that federal authorities had the goods on Dr. Hasan and military intelligence didn't have a clue? ... Bullshit !!!
Also ... do you realize what an incredibly gifted marksman he would have to be to kill/wound that many people carrying a pistol in each hand and shooting/reloading while on the move!

I was thinking the same thing....

for the number of hits, that is a lot of rounds.

Why?

That's just not done here. Obviously the whole thing was staged in a sound studio and the dead were already that way from swine flu vaccine contaminated with depleted uranium from chemtrails.

The previous time something like this happened, it was a guy who was PO'ed at soldiers who had killed civilians in Iraq.

Latest reports are that the guy is alive, but not talking. They don't say whether that's because he does not want to or can't.

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does anyone know if any of the 31 injured people were civilian?

That is not the story we got

here from the media in Va. They said his cousin said he had been tortured for being of middle eastern heritage ever since 911 all through college and in the military and was trying to get out of the military which doesn't make sense because he just got a promotion. I'm not sayin it is necessarily a false flag but the media has something screwed up. Now that I think about it didn't they say he was thirty nine. He must have started college late. Things don't add up. I guess maybe we will find out more on the story.

Well, this event helps to

Well, this event helps to galvanize the neo-cons back into some of their more extreme views, like government enforced racial profiling and domestic spying. I dont know that it was rigged. If I hadnt been following the story since it broke, I probably would have been convinced that it was all legitimate, but the whole "2 people in custody/dead but now alive/civilian contractors" stuff makes it seem a little weird.