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Corporatism = The New World Order!

Think about it.

Over the last 50 years global corporations have learned how to take over the most powerful republic in history. Now that the methods of infiltration, bribery and intimidation have been perfected and proven, the smaller countries will be a piece of cake.

This shift in control from the people to corporations has been so gradual so subtle, most people don't even realize the world has been turned upside down.

Just as Eisenhower warned 50 years ago never before have so few had so much power. But how can the people ever prevail, when they don't even realize what is going on?

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That is why the Republican and Democratic Parties are the same!

The US government has been gamed by the corporations, special interests and their lobbies. The corporate high rollers donate nearly equally to both parties and that is why there has come to be little difference between them.
The only solution I can see that can combat this Corporatism, is a form of Populism. However, Populism is often the fatal flaw of Democracy. Populist governments abound in Latin America. This Populist fills the role of Santa Claus, in government, basically buying the vote of the masses with promises of more and more giveaways.
Personally, I prefer evils of Corporatism to this cancerous type of Populism. At least the funds of the state go to the hands of the productive instead of the unproductive sectors of society.
However, The Populist message of the Liberty movement is distinct from the other cancerous form of Populism in it's message of freedom, liberty, self reliance, with a healthy disgust of taxes and big government.. My hope is this unique American form of populism can restore the original balance of power back in our government, correcting the excesses of Corporatism while holding at bay the other cancerous form of Populism which lays in wait.

I think Oligarthy is an accurate term

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

"An oligarchy is a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royal, wealth, intellectual, family, military, or religious hegemony."

Well, actually, they are a secret global oligarthy...aka. the NWO...aka...international bankers.

They gain your trust with some truth, then they screw you with that trust.

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Ron Paul 2012!

If Earth is our spaceship, we need hierarchy to run things

The days of nations is over.

Our civilization is finally evolving into a global civilization.

The global economic infrastructure has been put in place and is transforming chaos and cruelty into order and peace. Sure, the nations that have been doing fine don't like it, but this is bigger than any one nation...even bigger than the USA.

Corporatism is necessary and quite efficient at baby sitting adults who are either unwilling or unable to grow up. Corporatism gives them purpose.

They gain your trust with some truth, then they screw you with that trust.

Thanks to this Corporatism we have

endless wars, loss of liberty, mal-distribution of wealth, destruction of our currency, and with this the destruction of our middle class.
That everyone in the world can now use the same toothpaste is not a justification for the raping of the American public to reward a handful of greedy, and arrogant "masters of the universe types" that have subjected the US for their private gain.

Corporatism has been the

Corporatism has been the destruction of our country and the world for that matter.

Corporatsm is anti-democratic, anti-peace, anti-liberty, anti-order, anti-intellectual and anti-humanity.

It's the hostile takeover of an elected government. It's the corruption of humanity and goodwill.

Anyone to have worked for a Corporation would agree with me. The Corporation is pure evil--it is the Earth's cancer!

LOL

The global economic infrastructure has been put in place and is transforming chaos and cruelty into order and peace.

I was not aware it was possible to be that naive.

Would you care to point out were in the history of the world at any time where moneymakers running things has promoted peace and order?

The order and peace you are speaking of is the complete loss of our liberties, our freedom.

Our history has been full of people like you, the submissive, the cowardly, the weak. I'll give you a quote from one of our forefathers who was speaking to ones such as you...

I detest any submission to a people who have either ceased to be human, or have not virtue enough to feel their own wretchedness. If ye love comfort better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, [then] go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of your master. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

Well said!

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Well isn't that just

a ringing NWO endorsement. Who is this Boru shill?

What evidence to you have to lead you to believe that

corporations have either the moral or technical attributes to be a responsible leader. As far as I can tell, naked greed regardless of how it affects others seems to be their guiding principle! Do you have some evidence to the contrary!

Corporations are not the leader...they are the tool

Corporations are not the leader...they are the tool

They gain your trust with some truth, then they screw you with that trust.

Who is the leader of the corporations that has the

wisdom and moral authority to insure it's done correctly?

I dunno, but the evidence shows they are benevolent

I dunno, but the evidence shows they are benevolent...and leading toward a united human species.

They gain your trust with some truth, then they screw you with that trust.

Really where is that evidence

As far as I know the standard MO for the last 1,000 years has been rape, pillage and plunder.

No thanks

I'm not interested in your vision, and decline your invitation to participate in it.

Dead peasants...companies secretly insure workers' lives

This is another little gem from Michael Moore's latest movie, Capitalism, A Love Story. Yes, Moore misrepresents several things in his movies, but I still am open to listening to the opinions of others.

Well, according to him, many companies secretly take out life insurance policies on workers...not just executives, but it seems that any employee is up for grabs.

So if a worker dies earlier than expected, the company makes a profit.

This isn't a conflict of interest, it's just yet another way in which people gamble. The company is gambling that someone will die early enough that the company gets out of the policy more than they've put into it.

Does the family of that dead worker get any of it? No. And frankly, they shouldn't since they didn't pay for the policy.

However, shouldn't it be illegal for any entity to take out insurance on someone else? Simply, a company which takes out such policies HAS to be motivated on some level to kill those people.

Check this website to view a partial list of companies that take out these 'dead peasant' policies: http://deadpeasantinsurance.com/which-employers-bought-polic...

They gain your trust with some truth, then they screw you with that trust.

Of course this is true and

Of course this is true and you don't even have to dig to discover it.

Has anyone ever been to Hong Kong? Has anyone ever seen a Hong Kong dollar?

Well, for the "NO" crowd I'll explain what's on the Hong Kong dollar, the name of a private bank!!! Not only do Hong Kong dollars look tacky and worthless but they have HSBC, Standard Chartered, etc. plastered all over it--logo included!!!! This is the future for the USD!

You ever wonder what the future will bring to the US? Look at Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan. I have been living and working in Asia for over 13 years and I see what the hell is going on and Corporatism is not only the politics but it's the religion out here.

IMHO, the Elites want to turn the US into Singapore or Japan. Their own little worker ant utopia with them on top and us fueling the system. The only thing stopping them is that whole "Right to Bear Arms" thing but does that even matter now with our current sheeple society?

Best just to line up, get your vaccinations, grab a broom, eat your processed foods and get busy dying because the Company owns your ass!!!

Sorry, bit drunk, but drink brings out the honesty....

A bit drunk - so early in the day?

Shall we call this the lubricated truth!

It's 1:00AM where I live....

It's 1:00AM where I live....

Well actually it's none of my business

So my apologies and Carry On! : )

But I might write a song about the lubricated truth!

If you ever want to know

If you ever want to know what a Japanese or Singaporean feels about their country, get them "lubricated!" That's the only way these sheeple out here talk!

Thank God Americans at least have their mouths! But unfortunately that might be our downfall too!

All talk and no action!

Actually, they took the third world FIRST and then...

turned their attention to the "civilized" world. The only good news is that the THIRD world countries are now waking up to the scam. That is why they are turning on the U.S. and the World Bank, etc. It is, unfortunately, why they have turned in many cases to people like Chavez, who says it all very clearly, but offers the wrong solutions.

Maybe one day the U.S. sheep will see it too. And the important thing at that point will be what alternative they chose. This is why EDUCATING in the philosophy of freedom is so important.

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A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land,
Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods,
But It Is A Principle......
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle .
- George William Curtis

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A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land, Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods, But It Is A Principle...
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle - George William Curtis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCYr8TWAGn0&feature=related

I agree--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

the 'green revolution' took the third world after it had been colonized by the 'major' powers from 1500 on--

agribusiness has been terrifyingly and quietly destroying the world since the early part of the 1900s.

LOTS of stuff to talk about here--

but then I've been awake for over 30 years and reading everything I could--

the aspects to this are quite multi-faceted:

agriculture
chemicals
medicine
education
manufacturing
food processing
building
pharmaceuticals

etc.

*they* have infiltrated all of them--

I have to hand it to them for being complete--

and what *we* do about it is a personal choice; it's good to have a place to share information.

and, yes, unfortunately, religion.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Interesting they took the third worlds FIRST

But you very well could be right!

Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins

This has been going on a LONG time.

_________
A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land,
Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods,
But It Is A Principle......
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle .
- George William Curtis

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A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land, Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods, But It Is A Principle...
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle - George William Curtis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCYr8TWAGn0&feature=related

indeed . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

what Perkins says makes sense of a LOT of the garbage that I 'sensed' going on decades ago and couldn't 'put my finger' on--

I had a lot of "ah ha!" moments over John Perkins.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I've heard him on CSpan

I see where that makes sense.

Watch practically any John Pilger Documentary

The 3rd world has been an easy target for a long long time.

Hear

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. — John Adams

There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man. — Tolstoy

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. — John Adams

There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man. — Tolstoy

well-said . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Declaration: I love Adams -- however, I'm not sure if he wasn't

suggesting that the Constitution was a good document or un-realistic; in my estimation he was the best and wisest of the Founding Father's.

He was Ron Paul's favorite as well, but I'm not sure for what reasons.

Octobox

So basically Corpratism is

So basically Corpratism is Politically correct word for "The Illuminatti"?

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of paper- G W Bush

That's what Ralph Nader has been saying

But MSM listeners don't listen to Nader, only what MSM says about Nader.

This is why Nader ran for president..This is why Nader has sued the government and gone after corporations for taking peoples rights

You are correct!

People need to realize the commonality of purpose between Nader and RP.

Thank you

I feel blessed to have in my lifetime Ron Paul standing on my right and Ralph Nader standing on my left to help me through this global transition. They are both men of integrity and fighting the good fight.

During the campaign, I got a pocket constitution from Ron Paul, and a bill of rights from Nader.. Nader tells me, that bill of rights is what's going to protect you from htat constitution. LOL

Nader has fought and won, and to me, he may lose elections, but he wins court battles, so he's a good guy to have when fighting against the NWO, which Nader is opposed.

You post gave me an Idea... I'm going to write to Nader and ask him about Mises... If Nader gets on the Mises bandwangon, that would educate allot of folks.. and in its self be revolutionary and binding of the two. Nader wrote for Christian Science Monitor for years.

Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781

that Cornwallis revealed to Washington:

"A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

"Your churches will be used to teach the.......and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with.......without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcDALSCVsD8

interesting

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Armor, in the interests of verification,

Can you tell me where I can find a copy of this book?

Jack

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

No

It's a very very rare book. It was removed from the Library of Congress in the 80's. Check antique book stores and the like. Amazon has it listed as "out of stock and we don't know when we're getting more". Truthfully, it's been suppressed. If you do find a copy, please let us know. Scan it and send it out.

Other than hearsay, Armor,....

....how do we know that it was "removed from the Library of Congress in the 80s"?

Jack

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

Jack

It used to be there, and now it isn't. Do your own research on the book if you're interested.

Armor, why is the onus on me to prove what YOU said?

Look, if such a book exists (or existed), I'm quite interested in it. But I'm not going to take anybody's word for it and go around repeating it like it's fact.

Yet you seem to be doing that very thing. What honor is there in insisting "it used to be there" if you cannot show that this is true?

I'm simply asking you to support your claim, or to admit that you cannot support it.

And I HAVE begun to do my own research on the book. Having found no proof of its existence, naturally, I turn to those who support the book to give me that information. If you cannot verify it, you should be honest about it, no?

Jack

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

::Sigh:: Here we go again, Echelon

Now some guy that sounds like a lawyer is telling me to stop engaging in "hearsay". I'm no lawyer so I wonder where the line is between hearsay and circumstantial evidence...I don't have the book in my hands, I have no 'direct evidence' and I didn't see it in the LOC myself, and I didn't personally see it being removed...so I guess it all has to go in the realm of "hearsay". But if that's how you see it, you could say the same thing regarding just about everything else posted on this site.

But using Google ain't that hard dood.

So, Why oh tell me WHY would Amazon list a book that doesn't exist, and never existed? Why would they just dream a title like this up??

"Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

http://www.amazon.com/Legions-Satan-Jonathan-Williams/dp/B00...

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg85346.html

http://fugaziquo.com/directory/pages/articles/kerr-stewart/r...

Here is William Cooper quoting the book (is he a respectable enough authority for you?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcDALSCVsD8

How bout Senator Joseph McCarthy acknowledging what was written in this book?
http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org/Washingtons%20Surrender.htm

The powers that be have been trying very hard to stamp this book out of existence - obviously it contains important historical information they don't want us to know.

OK, Armor, now we're getting somewhere.

Now that you have ventured to cite some references, they can be examined. Let's go down the list.

1. Amazon. This proves nothing except that somebody made an entry or two at Amazon. It would not be hard to pull off a scam like this. You list a non-existent book for sale and immediately someone "buys" it. Then it's "unavailable" forever more. Oh, and you have someone write a review that just happens to quote the one and only passage that is found on the Internet. How interesting that the guy who ostensibly reviewed the actual book could find nothing else to quote in all its pages.

2. Mail-archive.com. Here we have one person's say-so:

I only have about 20 pages of handwritten notes from the book. Which I had possession of for about three weeks. Ten years ago.

And this same "Mike Clark" claims:

TEN YEARS AGO " LEGIONS OF SATAN " was in at least 50 libraries.

Yet he shows no proof of this statement. Where is the list of "50 libraries" so we could go there and ask ourselves to see proof that they once had the book?

3. Fugaziquo.com. This article, as in the video, simply takes the existence of the book as a given. Nothing here purports to prove the existence of the book.

4. William Cooper. Is he quoting from the book, or is he repeating the same excerpt that everybody else is repeating? It just so happens to be the same excerpts that appear about 500 times on the Internet.

5. Joseph McCarthy. This same piece is found multiple times on the Internet, but strangely, nobody seems to want to cite where it is found on the record. Was it said in the Senate? Was it said at a birthday party? Or is it a dubious quote?

Your aggravation with my questioning shows, and yet I am simply looking for evidence that the book ever existed. So far, you have produced only the scantest of evidences, and they all seem to come back to one small excerpt that has been repeated about 499 times on the Internet: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Your+churches+will+be+used...

Funny that all these articles are quick to run with this without ever verifying it.

Meanwhile, you talk down to me as if it is a vice to verify something before publishing it. Are we to assume that you have learned this philosophy from Jesus, as your handle might suggest?

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

It's gonna get long and thin.

For a guy that claims to be interested in the book, you have spent a whole lot of effort attampting to refute its very existence - even going as far as to claim that Amazon is involved in a scam. What would be the point of listing a non-existent book for sale and then having somebody immediately buy it, so you can list it as being "unavailable" forever more" (which is not what it says). What kind of agenda would someone be trying carry out by doing something like that?? Now that's what I call "fitting the facts to alternate conclusions"...That is a strange and baseless accusation, oddly enough, from someone who's accusing others of the same...I'd like to see you come up with other examples of Amazon listing "books that don't exist". BTW, that wasn't a great review to be used anywhere because the author (admittedly) never owned the book.

Then, you pooh-pooh a testimony from someone who says they actually had it in their hands. I wonder how many more testimonies need to be produced before that tactic can't be used anymore. There are more. And in the space of about 15 minutes you came to the conclusion that there is no source for the McCarthy piece, which is wrong - go look again. Then you question the integrity of William Cooper, a very well-respected researcher and categorically deny that his words are a valid source, have no relevance, and he's "just repeated the same excerpt that everybody else is repeating". Wow. I trust William Cooper's research over yours anyday.

The only aggravation I have is with someone who has **feigned** interest in this book then turns around and tries to shoot down all references to it. Fact of the matter is I could provide you with lots of evidence of its existence and you'd probably just keep on denying it. You sound like a lawyer who's practicing your "argument skills"...or worse...

You're really showing your true colors on this one. It's a shame - you've had some good posts here. Let me tell you something; I have more leads on this book and the info contained therin, but I'll be damned if I'd share it with the likes of you now. Quotes from the Founding Fathers, and their original sources, have been disappearing from the internet. There's an all out effort going on to squash some very important history, and the fact that references to this book seem to be getting thinner and thinner tells me that it's also a target for destruction in the sights of the NWO.

And as far as your loaded question about Jesus, that's about the same as asking "So when did you stop beating your wife"?

Meanhwile, you totally ignore the accurate predictions contained in the quote; or is that the whole point...

Do you have any clue that...

...I'd like to be your friend here? Do you have any clue that if such a book exists, I would want to see it in every library in America?

Or have you made the hasty assumption that just because I don't roll over on mere say-so, that I'm an enemy of your cause?

The fact of the matter is that if I could verify this book, I'd be publishing about it. But I am not so careless as to publish what I cannot confirm. And you fault me for that, twisting away, such as in this statement:

"For a guy that claims to be interested in the book, you have spent a whole lot of effort attampting to refute its very existence"

You are apparently not able to perceive the difference between trying to verify its existence and trying to "refute" (your word") its existence. yet you can point to no place in my post where I refute its existence. I am simply refuting all the EVIDENCE you put forward as being compelling.

You, like so many others, are behaving so irrationally as to refuse to take my own testimony about my own motivations at face value. And why? Apparently because I'm asking for supporting evidence that meets traditional standards of forensic proof.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is an enemy of yours and God's, Armor.

Have you noticed that you and I don't behave the same way here? Have you noticed that I tend to give LOTS of information when asked? And you give it only begrudgingly, and then you challenge people to "go look again". Yet I have looked and look at the link you gave: http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org/Washingtons%20Surrender.htm

And I find ZERO citations for any written record from which this McCarthy quotation is supposed to have come. Further, the presentation of this piece is quite atypical of any scholarly work,and its layout is quite ambiguous as to who the speaker is at any given time.

Yet if the tables were reversed, and I had shared such a careless document as evidence, I'd either be retracting it or researching the matter myself to see whether I had anything more reliable.

"Fact of the matter is I could provide you with lots of evidence of its existence and you'd probably just keep on denying it."

OK, so in the end you're going to have to admit (or not) that you have no trouble getting gullible people to believe in it, but that you have a really hard time with guys who want actual forensic evidence that the book ever existed.

As to the motive for why someone might make up such a thing, that calls for speculation, of course. But that speculation is not easy. What if---and I'm going out on a limb here---but what if certain establishment people got their kicks out of publishing false documents that liberty people would lap up like a dog in the gravy bowl---so that they could prove the documents a forgery later and make them all look like complete idiots?

Is that not a viable motive for fraud? Certainly more dastardly things have been done for a lesser return on investment.

And again I'm not saying that this is PROOF of fraud---just like I'm not saying that any of your evidence for the book is PROOF of its existence. I, for one, have not seen enough either way. And I am willing to keep studying the question----even if those who support the book think I'm an idiot for it.

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

OK, ENOUGH

I will try to not have the perception that you are an "enemy to my cause" I aplogize if I misinterpreted your intentions here - it was obviously fueled, at least partially, by your "going out on a limb" and really stretching the realm of possibility with regards as to why Amazon would list such a book if it didn't exist. The McCarthy quote came from an article he wrote called "George Washington's Surrender". We are trying to secure a copy of the Williams book, and if we do we'll let you know. AOC out.

Armor,

As to the Amazon thing, it's not so far-fetched as you might think. And your own arguments here can be used to attest to that fact. Indeed, since YOU put so much credibility in Amazon's listings, then what better way to sell the public on the existence of a book than to have it listed at Amazon?

Have you checked out how to get a book listed at Amazon? Can't a private seller do this? And how would Amazon verify that the book being offered is actually available?

As to McCarthy and "George Washington's Surrender", in NO place does any Internet iteration of this text that I have found so far give an actual citation for it. And by citation, I mean:

1. Who said it?
2. Where was it said?
3. On what occasion was it said?
4. Where is it officially recorded---book, chapter, and verse?

I went so far as to check the Library of Congress for McCarthy speeches. I also checked www.questia.com and did not find it there. And so with Wikipedia. And Amazon.com. And JSTOR.org.

So I'm at a loss to justify how this can be considered verifiable.

Part of the problem here is that most of the people who post on the Internet have absolutely no clue as to the necessity of citing sources. And perhaps a bigger part of the problem is that most of the people who READ on the Internet have no idea how important it is to verify what they read.

Honestly, in this case, I'd say the evidence is paper thin or worse for "Legions of Satan" ever having been a real book.

Do you even know who was the first to claim that "somebody" has been buying or stealing all known copies of the book? Whoever is making that claim should be questioned. And if that person can't come forward with actual and verifiable citations for those supposed evidences, then I'd say it's a sure thing that you've got a hoax on your hands.

And that doesn't mean that the whole NWO/Illuminati game is unreal; it just means that this particular piece of "evidence" is bogus.

So do you have any evidence that you haven't shared yet? Whatever you have would be most appreciated.

Jack

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

Jack Pelham
Rule of Law Revolution
www.ruleoflawrevolution.com

I bet the Christians murder the most people too.

Because that's what Jesus would do. Jesus would LOVE his guns.
It's interessting, Muslims are willing to die for Allah, and Christians are willing to kill for Christ.