12 Places to Go if the World Goes to Hell
Posted November 8th, 2009 by zenpiper
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The Island of Guam is #3, but Saipan is better. No Income Tax, no Chemtrails, good standard of living. But come with a nest-egg, or have a degree in law or medicine. If you have other skills to sell, you'll do well.
Guam and Saipan are U.S territories in the western Pacific, not the South Seas. We're above the equator. Moving here is as easy as moving to Pennsylvania. Oh yes, no winters. No walks to shovel.
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No income tax as in no
No income tax as in no federal income tax or just no state/territory level income tax?
No Federal Income tax (IRS)
If you live and work in the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas, you do not have to file or pay U.S. income taxes. You do have to file and pay local income taxes, but the highest bracket is 9%. If, however, you make money in the states, then the IRS will expect a filing.
This does not apply to Guam. The IRS is there.
Prep/Go Befor it happens?
Well all I can say is those of you who can afford to set yourselves up should do it now, because if you really want to prepare for SHTF, it needs to be done in advance.
Lets hope that Marc Faber, Gerald Calente, Peter Schiff are all wrong and Ben Bernake is right….NOT.
So if your are going to prep, do it in your budget, and go look at it FIRST.
There are good spots to go, there are some better than others for sure. I chose Costa Rica, 20 years ago, and am happy for it, as are my now grown children. Back then it was easy I literally told my NewMex bank I needed my $85k of savings in cash (I was told to go to main office in ABQ with an appointment) they grudgingly gave it to me back in 1990, I wonder what they would say now? Anyway then I hoped on the plane for my 2nd trip to CR, and to literally buy a farm, build and start what turned out to be my continuing life.
So for CR info use google and best of luck to all, thank you Ron Paul for the opportunity to support you and our forefathers American Dream.
Me too
I've had the same experience with the Pinoys. Since I've employed over 200 Gringoes, Mexicans, Cambodians, Canadians and Heinz 57s, my experience with employing 6 Phillipinos was part of an informal life experiment. Lies, lies, lies. No work ethic, falsified time cards, etc., in all 6. I liked Mexicans the best. Americans lie half as much as the Phillipinos, but more than all the others.
USA! USA! We're number two! We're number two!
Couldn't agree more
I do not like slamming a nationality, but my experience with Filipinos (and Filipinas especially) confirms what you wrote. There are some that are hard-working and honest, but they are not the majority.
Where I live, the Chinese are the best workers. They start slow, but increase the pace over the day and never let up. The ladies sometime lie about their ages, or if they are single, but that's about it. I love the Chinese.
What about New Mexico?
I once went there on vacation, and there are a lot of isolated little towns out there. Yes, the gov't there is horrendously left-wing, but with all of the mountainous areas, hole-in-the-wall towns, and forests, it might be hard for Big Brother to seek you out there. Places like Hobbs, Cloudcroft, and/or Weed might be options, as they are small and not the most accessible. Opinions?
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It's best to live at a substantial elevation
above any body of water, at least from a long-term survival standpoint. Tsunamis from quakes or meteor strikes or slippage of the Earth's crust could make even a lakeside cabin a death trap.
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Guam?
I lived on Guam for 3 years. It was a nice vacation, courtesy of the USAF, but I wouldn't want to live there otherwise.
Those islands are tiny and isolated and entirely dependent on supply ships and airplanes for any kind of civilized existence. The power generators run on fuel oil, which comes in on ships. If the supplies stop coming, you would be eating papaya and coconuts until they ran out, which wouldn't take long, given the population. Don't even think of growing vegetable gardens because the tropics are swarming with insects that eat everything that isn't indigenous.
It is so warm (temps range from 91 degrees to 76) and humid there that anything ceramic or china, like dishes, turn into mush. Furniture mildews and molds. So do leather shoes unless you keep light bulbs burning in the floors of your closets. If you like sleeping on hammocks and sitting on bamboo, you wouldn't mind Guam or the Northern Marianas. You have to have air conditioning to keep your possessions from decaying, and electricity is very, very expensive, not to mention unreliable.
The US feds spend a pile on welfare for Guam. The indigenous peoples' culture is something like the American Indian tribes' : lots of crime and shiftlessness. The Chamorro's dream job is a position with GovGuam. Really, the only non-military people on Guam who work hard are the Philippinos and non Chamorros. In the early 80's Guam passed a law that landlords couldn't discriminate who they rented to. One family from the jungle moved into an apartment, whereupon they proceeded to chop up the kitchen cabinets for fire wood. If push came to shove, I wouldn't necessarily want to be a minority gringo.
When I was there, one rat snake took down the electrical power on the entire island. Typhoons come through and blow everything into the South China Sea, damage the electricity grid (which can go down for weeks, if not months), snarl radio towers, and the like. Unless your house is built like a bunker, you could be in trouble.
Food is also extremely expensive unless you have access to a military commissary.
great response
You clearly speak from experience. I lived on Okinawa for a year (and Iowa for a year, too...which was practically the same).
From a biological perspective, islands are very high risk opportunities for invasive species. If you've got that aggressive adaptability in your genes, you might be able to survive and thrive on an island without the luxuries of exchange with the civilized world. In the absence of those luxuries (when everything in the civilized world goes completely to hell), surviving on an island would be especially difficult.
In those circumstances, you might be better off on high ground with access to diverse terrain including a fresh water lake, running streams, forest and prairie. But then, you'll have to fight often to defend your territory from those seeking its attractive qualities.
Best not to rely solely on
Best not to rely solely on gas generators, thats where solar generators come in. http://www.mysolarbackup....
Saipan is a bit nicer
You have a point about fuel for the generators, but it comes in from a variety of sources. Still, it's a consideration. I have an 8 kw generator, but of course one needs gas to run it. We haven't had many brownouts lately, since the CUC has got good technicians. The longest brownout in my year here was 2 hours. Not weeks or months.
You may be right about growing things on Guam, but Saipan is a great place to grow fruits and vegetables, as is Rota. Things grow well here and the insects are not a problem. As well, fishing is a major activity and fresh fish ans seafood are always available.
Nothing of mine has turned to mush. Everything is OK.
True, Guam gets more typhoons than Saipan, but it's not the South China Sea. It would most likely be the Philippine Sea.
Sorry you had such a night mare. I've found paradise, and my experience has - thank goodness - been nothing like what you describe.
the ripple
I was just curious if you had considered what Guam and Saipan would be like after the ripple hits them, too? Wouldn't they change quite a bit if US dollars no longer had the "confidence" that lends them their present value?
It seems like you'd want a place with a bare minimum of western influence. Some kind of true wilderness.
Excellent point!
To address your last sentiment - some kind of true wilderness. You would not want to live there for long. You would long for a hot shower and a clean towel; a supermarket and your favorite mustard. We have all become quite 'civilized' and have grown used to certain amenities. However, with in the Mariana Island there is Pagan Island, and it's habitable, and will sustain life if you can fish, but forget about the niceties. No one will find you there!
Even when the dollar collapses, as it surely will, the people in the Americas will have to use something to buy bread, gas, and so on. So it will remain in circulation so long as there are people who need things. Expect prices to rise dramatically. The Amero is around the corner, maybe.
Electronic Money
The Amero is going to get bypassed. All we need is electronic money ... ie cash cards.
Not in Idaho... shhhh
Hot springs, all over the state. :)
The thing to look for is utter chaos at the government level..
By that I mean, go into the government offices. If you see stacks of disheveled files, stacked to the ceiling, hanging off of file cabinets and absolutely no sense of organization..... this is a good sign. If they have computers at their desks, you might worry.....but take a peek and see if they are still using a "dos" based system.
These are signs of a country in which you could live for a very long time and they would not know you are there.... or even CARE. And if you can bring yourself to live with the "real people" and not in the modern touristy areas.... so much the better.
Third world countries' governments tend to be more interested in lining their pockets than in taking away the people's liberties. Corruption at the government level is rampant, but only in order to make them RICH. The people are ignored as "irrelevant". This provides a great deal of personal freedom for those who want to disappear.
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Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods,
But It Is A Principle......
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle .
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Absolutely 100% Correct
Saipan is a very good example of this. The government is a mix of local and U.S. federal, bound by something called The Covenant. Those in power are locals - either Chamorro or Carolinian and they are corrupt, betelnut-chewing, flower-wearing, idiots, who appoint their nephews to high-ranking jobs, with benefits, while the day-to-day stuff gets piled up. The roads are bad, the hospitals are short-staffed and little gets accomplished. Well, the locals get rich.
At first I was pretty angry and upset and the blatant nepotism and favorism. Now I just laugh.
But will they let us defect from here by then?
Don't want to be shot attempting to escape from the NWO's Amerika.
I do not foresee travel restrictions... yet
If Martial Law happens, then the country will be pretty much locked down. I don't see this happening any time soon. This is a good time to start shopping for new coordinates, if you have the will to do so.
is it an urban legend that . . .
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
that one of the most heavily hit islands in the Pacific in WWII was a private island to which a disillusioned American had fled?
not that i recall...however.....
there were several isolated groups of Japanese Imperial soldiers who were still fighting the war years(some decades) after world war II ended...on some islands and in the Phillipines.
If I remember correctly,
If I remember correctly, there was an episode of Magnum P.I. that touched on this issue.
nice!
And there was one from "Gilligan's Island" too.
Oh God, I used to watch TV when I was a kid.
And what might that be?
If there were disillusioned Americans living on a Pacific island during WWII it's news to me. Most Americans were gripped with patriotic fervor against the Nazis or the Japanese. So what's the island, huh? I don't know of any that match your description. There are no private islands for the rich in the Pacific that I am aware of.
I don't recall the name of the island, just that . . .
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
a wealthy and disillusioned American (after WWI) retired to an island that saw some nasty WWII battle--
as I remember being told or reading sometime back in the 70s, I think--
I can't remember the name of the island or the person who inhabited it--
this was before computers were personal--
every time I have thought of fleeing to a place to be 'safe' I have remembered this and figured I might be better off staying put--
and since I don't have the resources to leave and go ANYwhere I figure I just as well not worry about it.
I had considered guam
I'm glad I didn't choose guam because I understand the military base closures in Japan are deploying troops to quam where the locals are protesting the massive military building... and yet, there are those, likr the local paper, theta like it because they are dependent on Govt.. Fed Govt 100% http://www.guamnewsfactor...
I think it's an interesting article, pretty pictures, but not very realistic.
Check out the Mariana Islands, just north of Guam
Saipan, Tinian and Rota. Rota will be a boom town in a couple of years once the Japanese set up some big casinos. Right now it's a third world slum with the best diving in the Pacific. But of all the islands, including Guam, Saipan is the best by a mile.
Marianas have nuclear fallout issues
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Huh?
Can you explain this a little more? I do not disagree, but the nearest land is the Philippines and it's 1,500 miles west of us. How far does fallout drift? And where would it be coming from?
If Taiwan gets nuked, then maybe, but it's quite far south of us, and I do not know enough about the wind currents, or the rate of dissipation to know if the Marianas would be OK.
Then again, if Guam gets nuked, then most of the Marianas would be in big trouble.
Chuck Hanson research
http://www.uscoldwar.com/...
Yes and no
Hanson has good information about the blasts that occurred in the 1950s, but they are not happening now.
I Googled "Saipan nuclear fallout" and didn't get much, except a page of what to do from the Department of Homeland Security. Nothing else to speak of.
I think the threat of a nuclear event, or fallout, is greater elsewhere, particularly in the MidEast or the major urban centers in the U.S.A.
I don't know
I'm thinking something landlocked so I can escape. Actually, I have nothing in mind, but I would be hesitant to go to an island. You're pretty much screwed if someone invades or the government decides to go after the free people.
Costa Rica
It is one of the few places where Americans (and their money) are still welcome. Many ex-pats down there, lovin' the lifestyle.
Wherever you go, you need to learn about the country's emigration policies. Many countries welcome retirees, but you have to jump through hoops.
Many Americans now live in the Philippines, where it is cheap to live, but I can't stand the place. And there are horrendous hurricanes.
If you Google "Best places to live" a lot of options will open for you.
My son works and lives in
the Philippines. Besides the hurricanes, I'd be interested to hear what you found most objectionable about the country.
Americans are fair game
My experience in Manila last July turned me off to ever considering the Philippines. People lied to me, inflated the price of everything, knowing I was an American. A taxi ride which should have been 500 pesos became 800. I told the guy I would only pay 500. He shrugged and said OK.
Near Subic Bay, where many Americans live, most of the better homes have bars on the windows and steel doors. Lots of break-ins and theft.
Yes, there are honest Filipinos and most are law-abiding. And the price of food and drink, and everything else, is quite cheap. The provinces might be better - but not for an American.
If your son lives and works there, then he may have a far happier time than I had. First impressions matter, and to paraphrase McArthur: "I shall not return."
Thanks for the heads up;
I'll be visiting there soon.
Got anything that is not an Island
Me and small islands, we don't get along too well.
Well, obviously, Number 2 has lots of Chemtrails.
I thought about the Yukon territory
But the winters are ferocious. Still, many love it there. I hope to visit the Yukon some day. My cousin loved the place.
If the World goes to Hell I guess i'm going with it.
I could use a vacation though.
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Denver at number 4??? I
Denver at number 4??? I have a place 4 hours from Denver heading west.. if the SHTF, the last place I want to be is even remotely close to a large urban center.. You need to go someplace where farmers produce food. bring your gold and silver.. farmers will trade metals for food.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
I used to live
In Grand Junction, probably close to where you have your place. I bet the Colorado National Monument would be a good place to make a last stand. Maybe I'll see you there, I'll be the guy thanking you for telling me to buy all the old dimes!
yep close just a bit further
yep close just a bit further south... put up a sign furlough buzz and I'll pick you up!
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
I was surprised also
But I am not sure if you will be able to trade gold coins for food. $1,100 per ounce will buy an awful lot of produce. Silver coins might be good, however.
Denver - what were they thinking?
true... just depends on how
true... just depends on how hungary you are and how much food is available in that scenario.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
At least you're safe from rising sea level in Denver
when global warming takes effect....
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
no such thing as global
no such thing as global warming.... in Denver we have had one of the coldest summers and just had the wettest snowiest october on record..
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Oh yes there is
People need to learn that for the vast majority of this planets life there were no ice caps. And there won't be again when this ice age is finally over. No one knows how long that will take. Temperatures will go up and down just like the stock market but the trend will remain the same over time and it will get warmer. A lot warmer. Maybe if we polluted more we could slow it down since everyone seems to hate change.
I don't know how old you are
I don't know how old you are but when I was in Jr.high/highschool it was GLOBAL COOLING! its all BS! Colorado just had the coolest /wetest summer on record.. if you believe anything that idiot gore tells you, you are a brainwashed fool!
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Global warming is a scam
concocted to give global govt a stronger foothold.
Senator Steve Fielding recently asked the [Australian] Climate Change Minister Penny Wong why human emissions can be blamed for global warming, given that air temperatures peaked in 1998 and began a cooling trend in 2002, while carbon dioxide levels have risen five per cent since 1998. I was one of the four independent scientists Fielding chose to accompany him to visit the Minister.
The Minister’s advisor essentially told us that short term trends in air temperatures are irrelevant, and to instead focus on the rapidly rising ocean heat content:
Figure 1: Wong’s graph.
This is the new trend in climate alarmism. Previously the measure of global warming has always been air temperatures. But all the satellite data says air temperatures have been in a mild down trend starting 2002. The land thermometers preferred by the alarmists showed warming until 2006, but even they show a cooling trend developing since then.
(Land thermometers cannot be trusted because, even in the USA, 89 per cent of them fail siting guidelines that they be more than 30 meters from an artificial heating or radiating/reflecting heat source, and their data is forever being "corrected".)
Ocean temperatures were not properly measured until mid-2003, when the Argo network became operational.
Before Argo, ocean temperatures were measured with bathythermographs (XBTs)—expendable probes fired into the water by a gun from ships along the main commercial shipping lanes. Geographical coverage of the world’s oceans was poor, XBTs do not go as deep as Argo, and their data is much less accurate.
The Argo network consists of over 3,000 small, drifting oceanic robot probes, floating around all of the world’s oceans. Argo floats duck dive down to 1,000 meters or more, record temperatures, then come up and radio back the results.
Figure 2: The Argo network has floats measuring temperature in all of the oceans.
Figure 3: An Argo float descends to cruising depth, drifts for a few days, ascends while recording temperatures, then transmits data to satellites.
The Argo data shows that the oceans have been in a slight cooling trend since at least late-2004, and possibly as far back as mid-2003 when the Argo network started:
Figure 4: Ocean heat content from mid 2003 to early 2008, as measured by the Argo network, for 0-700 metres. There is seasonal fluctuation because the oceans are mainly in the southern hemisphere, but the trend can be judged from the highs and lows. (This shows the recalibrated data, after the data from certain instruments with a cool bias were removed. Initial Argo results showing strong cooling.)
Josh Willis of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, in charge of the Argo data, said in March 2008: "There has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant".
The ocean data that the alarmists are relying on to establish their warming trends is all pre-Argo, from XBTs. Now that we are measuring ocean temperatures properly, the warming trend has disappeared. And by coincidence, it disappeared just when we started measuring it properly!
Notice how the Minister’s graph above shows rising ocean heat content for 2004 through 2006, but the Argo data shows a cooling trend? There is a problem here.
The Argo data is extraordinarily difficult to find on the Internet. There is no official or unofficial website showing the latest ocean temperature. Basically the only way to get the data is to ask Josh Willis (above). The graph above come from Craig Loehle, who got the data from Willis, analysed it, and put the results in a peer reviewed paper available on the Internet. Given the importance of the ocean temperatures, don’t you think this is extraordinary?
If the Argo data showed a warming trend, don’t you suppose it would be publicised endlessly?
So what’s going on? Our best data, from satellites and Argo, says that both the air and oceans have not warmed for at least five years now. In the short term, some cooling force is overpowering the warming due to human emissions.
Let’s look at the long-term trend. The medieval warm period around AD 1000 – 1300 was a little warmer than now: crops grew in Greenland, and there were many signs around the world of extra warmth during that period. That gave way to the bitter cold of the little ice age from 1400 to 1800: animals in Europe died from cold even inside barns, and the River Thames in London would freeze over every winter (it last froze over in 1804).
Global air temperatures have been rising at a steady trend rate of 0.5°C per century since about 1750, as the world recovers from the little ice age:
Figure 5: Reasonable global air temperature data only goes back to 1880. This analysis into a steady rising trend and oscillations is simply an empirical observation, by Dr Syun Akasofu. The IPCC predictions are their widely publicised 2001 predictions.
On top of that trend are oscillations that last about 30 years in each direction:
1882 – 1910 Cooling
1910 – 1944 Warming
1944 – 1975 Cooling
1975 – 2001 Warming
In 2009 we are where the green arrow points in Figure 5, with temperature levelling off and beginning to fall slightly. The pattern suggests that the world has entered a period of cooling until about 2030.
The long-term trend suggests that the last warming period (1975-2001) was like the previous one (1910-1944), and that once the effects of the little ice age have finally passed, the temperature will get back to where it was in the medieval warm period (which is also where it was during the Roman Optimum, and in the Holocene optimum before that).
What about human influence? Human emissions of CO2 were virtually non-existent before 1850, and were insignificant compared to current levels until after 1945.
It is worth bearing in mind that there is no actual evidence that carbon dioxide was the main cause of recent warming—it’s only an assumption, and the calculations of future temperature rises derive most of their warming from an assumed water vapor feedback for which there is only counter-evidence.
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Leave it to gov co to find a way to tax the weather.
informative post!Thanks!
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