I saw Collapse the movie last night...

In 1776 when the Declaration of Independence was written the human population of the world was about 3/4 of a billion. At that time wind, moving water, wood, and draft animals provided almost all our power (energy). At that time coal was just at the beginning of being exploited. Oil came on stream in the mid 1800's with natural gas and uranium following later. The industrial age is fueled by energy, and the output of that industry provided the necessities of life so that the human population exploded in those 230+ years up to 6.7 billion people. All of a long human history to just get to 3/4 of a billion people and then in 230+ years to add almost another 6 billion is quite a remarkable event. Without exploitation of these fuels the human population would have been limited by what wind, moving water, wood, and draft animals would produce and the evidence is these produce only enough to support 3/4 of a billion population worldwide.

If you think that the dotcom mania was a bubble, that the current level of debt is a bubble, the housing market was a bubble, then does it not strike you that the human population is a bubble, artificially created by the temporary exploitation of these finite fuels.

It was back in the 1950's, ancient history for some of you, that Marion King Hubbert while analyzing production data for his employer realized that oil production followed a pattern that could be described mathematically by a gauzian distribution, a discovery that made future production predictable. Decades in advance, Hubbert reasonably predicted the peak of US production would come about 1970 which it did, although the level at which he predicted it would peak was a little off. Each oil producing country goes through the same pattern of production, and most have already passed their peaks of production and are in decline. Most of the world now must import oil from the very, very few who can still produce more than they use. This is not some theory; it is a fact backed up by data from country after country after country that have gone through the experience of reaching maximum and then having production irreversibly decline.

Another factor is what is referred to as the "low hanging fruit" principle which means that those in the oil business can more easily find and exploit the largest, shallowest, purest and most proximate oil. This is the most economical to find and produce so they leave the more difficult and more expensive oil for later. Later has arrived, and what we have left is the expensive oil. In 1930 the amount of energy it took to get back 100 barrels of oil was 1 barrel. But that energy cost has been doubling every 20 to 23 years (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, and then bust cause you wouldn't use up more than 100 barrels of oil to get back 100 barrels). The cost is now at about 12 barrels so that means that at best we only get to mid century before the oil industry is kaput.

If these two problems were not enough to wipe out the industrial age for the world , and all the people who are hopelessly dependent upon its output, there is a special problem for the USA. We are the biggest importer, so that when the current oil exporting countries reach peak, the first thing they do is reduce their exports. The time after reaching peak that their exports fall to zero is somewhere around 9 to 14 years depending on the geology of their fields.

So what about the math of falling production. The contraction of production will occur at some rate. Mexico just passed peak production and has experienced production declines in excess of 10% annually. But lets be conservative and assume a rate of 7% which means that world production will be 1/2 in 10 years, and 1/2 again in another 10 years, on and on into the future.

Combining all these factors, It is not out of the question that the amount of oil available in 2025 in the USA would be 20% of what it was in 2008. That means 80% of the economy would evaporate in that short period of time between now and then. That is one hell of a phase transition. Imagine surviving that.

This is why I believe that the USA is rapidly headed into a violent demise, and that political upheaval is a given the closer we get to 2025.

I think this is much more credible than all the dreams of alternative energies, none of which hold a candle to the power in oil. Free energy, conspiracies to repress alternatives, corn ethanol, hydrogen, solar electricity and even wind electricity (when you count the backup capacity that must be built because of the intermittency) all lack credibility. The very few alternatives that make economic sense are either temporary and expensive, or are not scalable.

I'm going to see it at a movie theater here in town that's showing it. Looking forward to it.

I can't find this on FIOS. I thought it was supposed to come out on OnDemand tonight.

is not someone i would listen to.

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Good article, worth the read if you're interested in this stuff:

http://latimesblogs.latim...

reasons this is bullshit. There is testimony hundreds of hours of testimony that stems from the Disclosure project. There is Space Concurring Extra Terrestrial reverse engineered technology that could end the worlds use of OIL and many high level military, and intel people are blowing the lid open on this.

Only reason we don't have free or almost free energy is simple.

CONTROL. The Elite are hiding the secrets to unlock mankind and it's just god damned greed.

Rupert if you are reading this, GODDAMN YOU for making me feel helpless like there was no alternative to the demise of mankind technologically. That we would reverse into the stone age.

I believed the whole peak oil bullshit mind fuck and was extremely depressed until I dug deeper and uncovered that multiple technologies have been squashed or hidden from the public ever since before Nikola Tesla. Hemp Marijuana would have revolutionized many things, but Big Oil interests outlawed it. I will never watch another lie from you again, not while I know that this is being a contrived suppression.

So take your CIA punk ass mind games and go to hell. That is FEAR MONGERING at a whole new level. Pathetic.

Always be vigilant. If something seems fishy, it probably is. At the end of America Drug War the film said he was living in South America....
There was a great YouTube video on disinfo agents. Check out the final clip with former MI5 agent David Shayler.

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Is the whole movie with this guy sitting there talking while clips and still shots of mass destruction flicker past? Because that's what the trailer suggests.

The First Global Revolution: A Report by the Council of the Club of Rome (1991)

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"It would seem that humans need a common motivation, namely a common adversary, to organize and act together in the vacuum; such a motivation must be found to bring the divided nations together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one invented for the purpose."

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."

(now, rewatch the Collapse trailer, and pay attention to the first thing said)

Report From Iron Mountain On the Possibility and Desirability of Peace (1967)
The Dial Press, Inc. 1967, New York, Library of Congress Catalog card number 67-27553

"Nevertheless, an effective political substitute for war would require "alternate enemies," some of which might seem equally farfetched in the context of the current war system. It may be, for instance, that gross pollution of the environment can eventually replace the possibility of mass destruction by nuclear weapons as the principal apparent threat to the survival of the species."

"It is true that the rate of pollution could be increased selectively for this purpose: in fact, the mere modifying of existing programs for the deterrence of pollution could speed up the process enough to make the threat credible much sooner. But the pollution problem has been so widely publicized in recent years that it seems highly improbably that a program of deliberate environmental poisoning could be implemented in a politically acceptable manner."

The Report From Iron Mountain is reportedly a government document on the subject of how to continue controlling the public and the economy in the absence of war. It has been denounced as a hoax by the establishment (as would be expected whether true or not) but was reported to have been verified by a top Pentagon official. True or not, the fact remains that there was discussion as far back as the 60's of the idea of using an environmental threat as a means of manipulating the masses and ushering in a one world government. In 1972, Leonard Lewin, who wrote the introduction to the published book, "admitted" that it was all a hoax and that he had written it all by himself. Quite extraordinary, considering how much of what is in the report is coming to fruition today.

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

in alternative 'fuel' or alternative energy--

I believe those things have been subjugated; I do know of at least one person who disappeared who had brilliant ideas.

So--

to me, again, it is always about politics--the politics that keep brilliant people from performing or succeeding.

And, of course, by 'politics' I mean those who are controlling economies and making money from oil.

I do believe that most of the suffering we see in the world today is due to those who don't want *us* to know about the alternatives and would rather kill innocent people, so that *they* can keep making money off those who remain, including *us*.

Whether fossil fuel is limited or not is not the question. Whether or not the evil people who are trying to control every human being in the world will allow those who are brilliant enough to come up with and even fairly market the alternatives--

THAT is the question.

At this stage I'm in the Peak Oil camp. I haven't seen any serious thought/evidence to change my mind (Though i'll be checking out Lindsey Graham) unlike the Global warming debate where I don't know what to think anymore.

Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, says whistleblower

What's the good doctors position on this? If oil was running out how would the market respond? Would a Libertarian government take precautions? What kind if any?

PS i'm Australian living in the UK. I check this site most days. RP is a true visionary.

cheers

I'm quite familiar with Ruppert, Richard Heinberg, and the whole peak oil gang. I've attended lectures by both of these men a few times, and I've met and had a conversation with Ruppert once, and even gave him 100 bucks when he was down and out. But I am very, very suspicious of the man.

Ruppert actually introduced me to Ron Paul. He had released the first 911 truth video, a recording of his November 2001 lecture in Portland, Oregon, called The Truth & Lies of 911. The video featured Dr. Paul and Cynthia McKinney segments, and Ruppert was pretty impressive, considering the lecture was given only 2 months after the event. You can see the video on Google Video:

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So you could imagine that it was pretty disturbing to me that Ruppert, as far as I could tell as a semi-regular visitor to his blog, never even mentioned Ron Paul once during the campaign. Ruppert did say however, following the election, that he was glad Obama won. Even some of Ruppert's few but faithful forum members made posts questioning Ruppert for the remark. The man who publicly compared the two major political parties to mafia crime families was glad Obama won?

His forum is probably very tightly controlled; I remember it being an issue in the beginning. In addition to Ron Paul, another subject that never makes it to his blog is any info contradicting man made global warming. You'll also never hear about Lindsey Williams and his numerous oil price predictions which have come true.

Ruppert pushes the idea that the coming collapse is due to overpopulation and oil depletion, among other things. I've never seen him discuss the CFR, Bilderberg, or the Trilateral's documented plans for population reduction through vaccinations and engineered food shortages (google: kissinger memorandum 200), and contrived crises like global warming and resource shortages (google: first global revolution club of rome), (google: report from iron mountain).

But on the other hand, Ruppert over his "career" has exposed quite a lot, and has given out such good advice regarding surviving the collapse that I still question whether he is indeed in on the deception or is just sometimes not so well informed on some subjects (hard to believe). I think it was Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels who said that effective propaganda should be 95% truth. Could this be how Ruppert works? I don't know. I do remain suspicious but look forward to watching Collapse and hearing more of what Ruppert has to say. And Mike, if you're reading this, I could really use that 100 bucks now!

Now this is in the news today:

http://rawstory.com/2009/...

if Mike Ruppert was a quack or a nutcase, because I saw him in American Drug Wars DVD. As a former cop, this guy still manages to come off as a very impressive and courageous whistleblower, and extremely intelligent. I'd listen to whatever he had to say.

As far as "peak oil" there's a lot of politics involved of course, so maybe the term doesn't literally mean it will run out, but just that no one will be able to afford to buy it (like last year when it hit astronomical levels at the gas pump for whatever shady reason).

I would like to see the movie now (on Comcast Dec. 6!

The only way humans won't persevere, is if we have big enough, all powerful enough, governments spread across the globe to make sure NO ONE get's out alive.

Thanks for posting this. I'm looking forward to seeing it, though it doesn't look like it is going to be playing in Boston any time soon:

http://www.collapsemovie....

However, it is coming to Verizon Fios on-demand, on November 15th. I'll check it out there.

I read Ruppert's book Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil when it was published back in 2002? '03?

Reading that was a huge breakthrough for me in terms of getting my eyes open.

/Mike

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Curious...

Even though Mike Ruppert is a "Peak Oil" preacher, (which I do not agree with), I would still be interested in seeing the film.

Does anyone have a direct link to this "Filmbuff on Demand" thing, so that
I can pay to see the film? It is not showing in my area.

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And I will be forever grateful for his efforts to awaken a unsuspecting populace.

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I think I will go see this movie today.. You have to become as self sufficient as possible..

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3