My local Catholic church asked for everyone to call their reps...

office@sij-parish.com

Those who blindly obey a chain of command- particularly one that leads up to a mere mortal who presumes (blasphemously) to understand the will of god- have surrendered their critical faculty in favor of unmitigated, ignorant servitude. Despite what a lifetime of religious programming might have you believe, "faith" is not a quality to be admired; on the contrary, it is a substitute for truth, or the pursuit thereof, and when shared across a social organization- like church- it manifests all of the disastrous consequences of groupthink that have been the bane of social and scientific progress for centuries.

Anyone else remember the Pasadena church that was investigated by the IRS for an anti-war sermon?

http://www.democraticunde...

Although papal documents are infallible, pronouncements from the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops have always been suspect. They seem to be picking and choosing Catholic doctrine that fit their pre-conceived political agenda:

http://www.usccb.org/heal...

Yet, we have to look no further back than Pope John Paul II's 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus for a condemnation of the "Social Assistance State" and an advancement of the principle of "subsidiarity". Subsidiarity says the individual should help himself, and if not, his family, and if not his family, then his church and/or local community, and if not his church and/or local community, then his local government, and if not his local government, than his regional or larger government.

http://www.vatican.va/hol...

In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of State, the so-called 'Welfare State'. This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands, by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoked very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the 'Social Assistance State'. Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.

It is precisely due to the violation of the principle of subsidiarity that we find ourselves in the situation today of not being able to depend upon family and community and instead depending upon the federal government. Catholic hospitals used to be the ones who provided healthcare to the needy, but now the government does by way of Medicare, Social Security, various state programs, and the government-subsidized employer-based healthcare system. Catholic hospitals have been edged out by secular hospitals as a result (so much for the idea that government should neither advance nor hinder religion).

If there is to be any government healthcare at all -- in order to keep with the U.S. Constitution -- it should be at the state level, not the federal level.

Colorado, for example, already has a "public option". It's called Cover Colorado. Although not cheap (its premiums to subscribers are comparable to market rates), it eliminates the supposed main complaint of the current healthcare system, which is one cannot be denied for pre-existing conditions.

Pelosi-care constitutes an usurpation of what should be the purview of the states.

to take care of the sick, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, give the homeless a place to stay. If your "church" feels someone else should be doing there job then you should go somewhere else.

This should not happen.

- Stavro

but please see my thread "Why I am afraid of Christians."

Why does that not threaten their tax status?

relevant prophecies by Catholic saints: "When the Church and the world are one those days are upon you." "The Church shall be in eclipse." "Satan shall enter the highest levels of the Church." The fault lies with that bishop. A Fulton Sheen would be helpful about now.

As a libertarian, all people to me are individuals. Blasting entire groups of people because of the actions of individuals is folly. It's like saying all congressmembers should be voted out of office (Dr. Paul?) or are racist because they have racist campaign supporters (Dr. Paul?).

Please don't live your life hating people you don't even know.

IMissLiberty

Hmmm. All organized religion is suspect. This just confirms it.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

wants the Government to do their work????

reasons why I have removed my name from the parish rolls and stopped giving any financial support to them.

is why I have left organized religion.

Opposing illegal occupations of sovereign nations and the killings of MILLIONS of innocent civilians??? HAS HE???
I think not... Damn him and all other religious leaders that have a chance to speak out to STOP the KILLING and yet remain silent! Damn them all to HELL!! They have power over so many and THIS is how they choose to use it.?..to advance the ruling elite for more power and control!? Now you see why so many are upset with the role of most religious leaders today!

*****
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Repeat after me....baa baa baaaaa....

"There is no news. There is only the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public." - Mr. Universe, Serenity

thesomnambulantpublic.blogspot.com

"Dear Member of Congress:

On behalf of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), we are writing to express our
disappointment that progress has not been made on the three priority criteria for health care reform that we have
conveyed previously to Congress. In fact, the Senate Finance Committee rejected a conscience rights amendment
accepted earlier by the House Energy and Commerce Committee. If final legislation does not meet our principles,
we will have no choice but to oppose the bill...Exclude mandated coverage for abortion, and incorporate longstanding policies against abortion funding
and in favor of conscience rights. No one should be required to pay for or participate in abortion. It is
essential that the legislation clearly apply to this new program longstanding and widely supported federal
restrictions on abortion funding and mandates, and protections for rights of conscience. No current bill
meets this test..."
http://www.usccb.org/heal...

Who was the officiant?
Fr. Luczak/Deacon Rod
Fr. Janas/Deacon Paul
Fr. Kennedy/Deacon Paul
Fr McGlynn/Deacon Rod
Fr. Kalas/Deacon

If they were tax-exempt (your donations to the church were deductible from your taxes) they violated the rules. File a complaint and they will lose their tax-exempt status.

This describes how to file a complaint. Change the church name. http://lds501c3.wordpress...

Do you mind telling me where you are? I want to call the Bishop!

"Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always"
Gandhi

Where was this? You must challenge this. Contact your priest.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I used to be one, until I found a religion that did not think you could buy your way into heaven. No offense Catholics, but like the rest of this craziness going on, we have even been duped by our own religion. Bible said that would happen though, so no surprise here. Find a new church, preferably one that does not believe you can confess your sins to a priest and be forgiven. The only way to the Father is through the Son, I don't see priest or the Virgin Mary anywhere in that statement. Just one example for you. Do some research and find the Truth.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

so why would you still go to church there?

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3

telling you something.....quit going to that church. More bull from the religion entwined sheep.

because the Bishop said so!! This is why so many posts on here concerned about how the power of religious leaders/churches are able to shape political and moral opinion . It's obscene and an affront to the thinking moral individual! Collectivism encouraged through religious mouthpieces for the advancemant of the ruling elite.

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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

AMA
AARP
ABA?
NRA???LOL

I would guess that most of the slave corrals are co-opted.

Well, I think there are some heretical things about catholicism in general, but we'll leave that aside right now!

It's the welfare state that has destroyed the role of the church in caring for the poor and widows...and children.

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