Rand- give my money back!
Submitted by RS on Fri, 11/20/2009 - 12:03
Rand,
I donated $25 to your campaign under the impression that you, if eleced, would support the Constitutional principles I hold dear. I had hoped that you would keep to the idea of a limited government, non-foreign intervention and the end of all unConstitutional and ungodly practices of our govt. especially the "wars".
Your positions on the people being held in Guantanamo are clearly unConstitutional. Even beyond that, you want those men to be tried by the military in a closed-to-the-public-trial and not on US soil. Evil is always done in secret. Truth is open and visible for all to hear and see.
Your interest in having that war-monger Palin help your campaign was another indication to me that you're just not what I had hoped for.
Therefore, I respectfully (as they say) ask you return the $25 I gave to your campaign.
I'm holding my breathe
Last post on this thread.
I please ask that no one bumps this stupid post again. If you want to read it please feel free but do not respond. This is just black and white thinking with no substance.
Let this poster be the only one to bump it from now to eternity. That will show his divisiveness.
An Oath once taken must live for Eternity!
$25.00, hell I piss that away in beer. Just tell me
where to send the money. Then I will send Rand another $100 just for spite.
An Oath once taken must live for Eternity!
I'll give you your money
I'll give you your money back. Where do you want it mailed to?
You Judge A Tree By It's Fruit, NOT its Flower
You Judge A Tree By It's Fruit, NOT its Flower
D.C.
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
No need for a smartass comment
An Oath once taken must live for Eternity!
An Oath once taken must live for Eternity!
Look In The Mirror
Everything you post is just that. You can't handle that the one WE anointed in Kentucky is now a neo-con. The only difference between us is I can see he is wrong on the issue and you can't.
Blowback at work
Every since this big hullabaloo here on DP, looks like today's donations are picking up.
LOL.
I looked at randpaulgraphs today but it does not clearly reflect the counter on his campaign site.
Keep it up fools!!!
Republican Lite
I've always said this was a republican lite site. Rand Paul seems to be making my case. Keep on giving to the lesser of two evils fools!
Look in the mirror
A fool is a fool is a fool. Your still on here so therefore you must also be a fool. Or do you want to open your mouth again and say what you really are.
I don't often get angry but your comment was disparaging to everyone on the Daily Paul. You sir/ma'am are disdainful. There is no room for this type of comment.
An Oath once taken must live for Eternity!
Who?
I was talking to your buddy who called us fools. I wasn't talking to the whole daily paul though many are heading that way.
label doesn't really fit ...
There are lots of conflicting views with what the Republican Party has become on this site....but I would not describe it as "lite." I would describe it as getting back to core values. If by "lite" you mean distancing ourselves from the neo-cons and Republicans in the pockets of the lobbyists and controlled by corporatists.....I might accept that label....though "just" and "traditional" seem like better choices....
Lite
What I really mean Matt is they still seem to like their big military but want small government. The same people who don't like big government somehow think the military isn't a part of government. I don't like the federal government and that includes their military, but no offense to the ones on the ground. This movement is turning into the republican revolution of 1994 with Newt Gingrich and company which was a total farce. Ron Paul has said before that they were never serious about limited government and neither are many on this site.
I see your point rollo...but....
The way I look at it is this: Yes, the military IS part of government and accounts for a gigantic chunk of big government spending. However, national defense (when approached smartly and constitutionally) is a very valid role and possibly the most important role of our Federal government. Is the "military industrial complex" out of control - yes. Are we fighting unjust wars - yes. Are private companies war profiteering - yes. All of that is wrong and needs to be stopped. But I am a believer in a strong national defense and that equals having a robust military ready to handle the challenges we might face.
I agree... Newts "contract with America" was a joke. I cringe when I see loud mouth Tea Party goers who support guys like Newt, Rush, Levin, etc. In my mind they are perverting the message. But I think allot of the people on here are pretty genuine about small government.
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just out curiousity.. What is your solution to that issue?
Bring them to trial on US soil?
Release them to other countries?
Provide our enemies picked up around the world the same rights afforded to US citizens?
It seems to me that his solution makes the most sense. I dont like Guantanamo either, but at least he wants a solution. Thats what leadership is.. the ability to make tough decisions.
Ill gladly replace the $25 you want back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ
Hmm
Would a troll be so stupid as to out himself in-front of the critical eyes and minds here on the Daily Paul?
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Well, there you have it folks. The enemy has no IDEA who they just stepped into the ring with. This is like the Barr day's all over again.
this is a joke...right?
this is a joke...right?
Um......
Why in the world are you writing a letter to Rand Paul and posting it here? What's your agenda? This is the DailyPaul......Rand doesn't open his mail here. Obviously you want the posters here to read it and comment on it. Try writing Rand.
baubaublacksheep
Rs, why so shy....
Just come out and say it.... "GO GRAYSON!!!!!"
You know, not too long ago
You know, not too long ago Republicans who didn't vote for McCain were more or less told "Just come out and say it.... 'GO OBAMA!!!!!", even when those Republicans voted for a third party candidate that best represented their principles.
lol
You hit the nail on the head.
The NeoCons
have been very successful in labeling Ron Paul and others like him as being isolationist and weak on terror. Yes..it is all a hoax, but it has worked. The sheeple are fools. By taking away this issue from the NeoCons, Rand Paul has given himself and real chance to win. Once elected....Rand Paul can attack the spending...or the funding of the wars. Rand can accomplish the goal of ending the wars and even more important, he can actually win. I think it is the smart play on Rand's part. Keep your powder dry and don't get distracted. Rand will be and do just fine.
In other words, lie.
In other words, lie.
Ron Paul 2008!
It's your money
so you should be cautious how you spend it.
You have to consider the
You have to consider the political implications of what he's doing. The point is for him to get elected, ideally so he can limit the government spending (thus stopping unconstitutional policies).
Reaching out to Palin (and others) is smart politically. Alienating people, dividing the party etc will never work.
Reaching out to Palin is
Reaching out to Palin is smart? How? The party is already divided. What good is it to get elected if you don't stand for anything?
Ron Paul 2008!
I agree! Give us our money back!
Fraud, Fraud, FRAUD.
Rand Paul knows full well he is running on the coattails of his dad's positions. If he does not share his dad's positions, then lets get them all out into the air. If he is NOT a libertarian Republican, lets here him say it now.
To do less is simply Fraud. Which of course is what every other politician does and why we had thought he would be different like his dad.
In peace & liberty,
Treg
RS
Patriot Dear friend in Liberty
I am also shocked but perhaps Rand took this stance ONLY to insure his victory(votes from neo-cons)...politics is a chess match.
At this moment I don't know what really he thinks in his heart.
But as I said in the past we would have to elect 300+ patriots to Clean The House....money send to Oath Keepers for the direct Care-Info packages for soldiers is much better spend.
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How about
someone start a PAC to donate $25 to Rand Paul every time RS posts more ridiculous dribble?
Your comment is "rediculous dribble"
Keep it up RS...
In peace & liberty,
Treg
This is pathetic
Mike Bryant over at Too Kooky for Kentucky is eating this up. Evidently, he has a link to the Mises Institute referencing the category "Rand Paul turns out to be a neocon". It seems that everybody there has turned against him and won't give him another dime. Do you people want to help him win or not? I don't live in Kentucky, but still believe that Rand Paul would be the best US Senator that we could possibly elect next year. I'm still donating next moneybomb.
No, I don't really want to
No, I don't really want to help him, I have always sensed something a little fishy about him. Wanting to continue the unconstitutional war in Afghanistan is his strike out. We need all these war(s) to end now.
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19 weeks 53 min
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25 bucks?
My family and friends here in Texas have given HUNDREDS combined....I'll tell you what......I'll give you 50 bucks to leave the DP forever......seriously.....
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Wow!
You and your family were dumber than I was!
RS wasn't counting the contributions of family and friends
so I don't see what you're bragging about, having given more.
So, Jefferson, you don't have any buyer's regrets now, about Rand?
Is the Daily Paul turning neocon?
"buyer's regrets now" ?
No...I...We, look at it as an investment. even though we don't live in KY, I will still encourage my friends and family to make an investment in getting someone not controlled by the special interests in there. I am not "buying" anything...
I understand your point about Afghanistan. I disagree with Rand's public position on that, and I disagree even if he thinks that privately. I disagree on the GITMO thing as well.
What I assume he is doing is being forced to take that stance, to have any chance of winning over, part of the dumbed down KY voters.
You have to keep in mind that there are people in KY, and even here in TX that probably think that you shoot marijuana in your veins. They haven't a clue, but they VOTE, if you get my drift.
I disagreed with RP on his public opinions on 9/11, but I understood why he did it, and stuck with him, because I know he is one of the only ones trying to stick up for the principles this country was founded upon.
I personally don't see how someone could ignore that Bush had troops on the border of Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11, and the mountain of evidence contradicting the official story, but whatever.
Whether Rand and Ron are both clueless on the real reasons behind 9/11 is immaterial to me at this point. No one candidate is going to be perfect, and they are a hell of a lot better than what is out there. I don't look at it as choosing the lessor of two evils. I look at it as, there are mostly evil people in there, and getting a few good people in there is worth the financial risk (investment).
Maybe I am being played for a fool. But I will know in my heart, that if it ever comes to having to physically take this country back from the criminals that have hijacked it, that I will have exhausted all peaceful means to have stopped it before it came to bloodshed. It is an investment to hopefully prevent bloodshed. Pie in the sky? Maybe. But I am willing to take the risk.
I think for someone to make a thread whining, especially having only donated 25 bucks, is comical. If they had maxed out, then maybe. But this RS moron is here to divide, and prevent us from keeping our eye on the target. IMHO.
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NO!
If you read "Revolution- a manifesto" Ron Paul said he introduced a resolution for a declaration of war knowing full well he would vote against it.
wow.... a whole 25 bucks!
wow.... a whole 25 bucks!
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
GIVE HIM BACK
HIS WEED MONEY!!! dude needs to chill.
if he even gave 25.00,, it
if he even gave 25.00,, it goes to show just how convicted he was to support Rand.. NOT VERY.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
Then YOU run.
If you will only support somebody who thinks exactly like you on every single issue maybe you should run for office yourself, because odds are you wont find anyone who fits your test. When you do run though, you should urge all your potential constituents to do the same; "dont vote for me unless you agree with everything i say!"
Just curious; what politician out there (excluding ron) would you vote for? If you cant support Rand, maybe you should start your own country and populate it via cloning. Odds are though RS2 would disagree with RS on something.
Actually
Ron Paul did not vote for the "war" in Afghanistan. He voted to approve military action but no declaration of war was ever pronounced. I don't think that Gitmo should be in operation and I do believe that those like KSM should be tried in a civilian court (I really want to see what kind of evidence that government has). This is one of the few things that I don't agree with Rand Paul. However, considering all of the other things that I do agree with him on I have no problem supporting him.
right...
that is what I meant.
Thanks!
here's the deal...
Rand has stated he would have supported a "declaration" of war in Afghanistan... From what I have read, he does not support and endless ambiguous mission in that country. A declaration would have forced consensus on a clear mission and exit strategy...and I can agree on that. Rand has also stated he supports military tribunals for people like KSM, and not trying them in civil courts here in the US. I could not agree more. I think him stating he supported closing GITMO was out of context. Those who commit acts of war are combatants and should be treated as so. I don't agree with the unconstitutional, immoral, and against international law type torture treatments that went on in GITMO... I am also against our government having the authority to pick people up of the street and incarcerate them with no charges... But - individuals like KSM need to be dealt with swiftly and not taken to the US to be treated like they have the rights of US citizens.
Yes
He supports and endless ambiguous mission in that country. When you piece together everything he is saying, that's the unavoidable conclusion. He even admits that our purpose for being there is "murky."
You agree to a declaration of war against Afghanistan?
What did the Afghan people ever do to you?
yes
with a clear objective of routing out the Taliban and destroying training camps...NOT nation building....
What do they care about the Taliban?
They're there for the heroine for the CIA, and maybe for a pipeline, and to make money for Halliburton and friends, and some other reasons that have nothing to do with "terrorism."
I agree with you to an extent
about heroine & pipelines.... but initially the Taliban had an uneasy alliance with Al Queda and was supporting them... so they were a viable target. But to stay and try and nation build is crazy. At this point I would opt for a pull back to a reactionary force. Rand has stated he has always thought a better approach would have been to act swiftly...destroy training camps and hunt down Al Queda instead of waiting several months....this would have been a direct targeted response with a clear objective and an exit. Instead we are there for 8 years and sadly most likely many more....
Yeah and so did Ron Paul...
he voted for legislation to use force against the taliban back in 2001.