Bill Still's New Film Secrets Of Oz banned from Amazon!
Submitted by Oyate on Sun, 11/29/2009 - 13:05
Great news in a way. You know Bill Still from his incredible film The Money Masters. You might not know the back-story on Bill himself. The scope of what he (and his late father) know about our government goes way beyond what you see in film. You have to meet him or hear him speak to understand how he's put his life and well-being on the line to deliver the truth. Many times.
The importance of the Secrets Of Oz is that on the 50th anniversary of the book The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz, we find an allegory for sound money. In the original book, Dorothy did have to follow a yellow brick road but she did so wearing SILVER slippers, not ruby.
Anyways, here's the update from Bill. If you'd be so kind as to send it to a couple people you know so it gets the viral impact that would be great.
Trailer below:
I sell on Amazon...they are pretty rigid
Amazon is not like eBay...Amazon is quite strict. I've been selling on Amazon for a few months now. I tolerate Amazon's fees because I like their approach of assuring smooth transactions: they assure the money is collected from buyers before the sale is complete and they don't take any crap from bad sellers.
To my surprise, I've been in the Amazon doghouse a couple times. I wanted to blame Amazon, but each time it was my fault.
All that said, if you properly handle the troubled transactions (usually meaning refunds), Amazon will quickly lift any suspensions.
I'm not saying the suspension (not a "ban" as Still lied about) was Still's fault, but it is possible. Bill really hurt his credibility by lying about the ban.
Speaking of credibility, did Bill actually want us to add positive comments about a product without us actually viewing it? I hate assholes that do that.
Anyway, I saw his Masters of Money and it is very very good.
Will I pay for Secrets of Oz? Oh, hell no. Anyone that is trying to pry out and sell this kind of truth wouldn't sell it. Some things are more sacred than the free market.
Bill! Stop hurting your credibility...you sound like a bitter, two-bit YouTuber instead of the ground-breaking journalist/whistleblower that you are.
They gain your trust with some truth, then they screw you with that trust.
Not an idiot
Since when are competing ideas to a Gold standard that make sense 'idiocy'.
Unless his facts are skewed(and they might be),
-Rome and England used this system(gov't controls the money supply not a central bank) for hundreds of years.
-The US survived a long time without a Central bank
Jefferson and Jackson were both against Central Banks-are they idiots as well?
Fractional Reserve banking could still be used, although it would required far larger deposit base against which to make loans.
The question that was raised:how does an already corrupt govt issue the currency and make it better than it already is? Term limits and accountability to the people and not the bankers.
The only major issue I see is valuation of the dollar against other currencies when global central banks arent involved.
Yea, he is.
That long time the US survived without a central bank, they were on the gold standard that Still bashes (and rightfully so). Except for when Lincoln printed the greenbacks to fuel his murderous rampage of thousands of people.
Moving the printing press from the bankers to the politicians will not solve the problem of moral hazard that exists within a fiat currency. Every fiat currency in history has failed and will continue to do so. In such societies that promote government solutions which provide politicians with more power than deserved, the bad always rise to the top in the long-run (read Hayek's Road to Serfdom).
Is any current democratic government properly accountable to the people it pretends to represent? No. So what makes you think it will be any different with the money supply? It will simply be providing them another tool to pursue corruption.
The only solution is a free market solution and its depressing that his socialist ideas are being promoted on this website.
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Counterfeiting
For those who don't know, a monetary socialist is someone who thinks counterfeiting money is fine and dandy, just as long as the government does it. His "debt-free" money would be a catastrophic step in the wrong direction. You want war with China? They would be justified.
Bill Still is a avid monetary socialist
Enough said.
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"Government is just a word for some people who claim authority over other people." - Glenn Jacobs
Should be but
Apparently not.
There are many who would fit
There are many who would fit into that category. Most of them are standard socialists now, though well meaning. By pushing films, and other materials, like this at them we can get more to our general side. Let them use this tool to reduce the debt. As long as they agree to allow competing currencies it wouldn't matter in the long run. Repeal of the legal tender laws would likely cause a rapid decline in the dollar now. This would smooth that and create a larger coalition against the Fed, and we need everyone we can get.
Many people talk about a third party that combines the forces of the socialist left (Grayson, Kucinich, Sanders) with the Ron Paul, libertarian, right. A union like that can create a new center if done properly. One major sticking point is obviously economics. A compromise can be worked out that gives each what they want on many issues, benefits the nation as a whole and doesn't require either side to compromise their principles. If we are going to have real electoral victories within the next decade, this is a path that must be taken in one form or another.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
That's reasonable
But, does Bill Still advocate allowing competing currencies? From what I remember from watching The Money Masters, I believe he did not want legal tender laws abolished.
He doesn't advocate it but
He doesn't advocate it but that doesn't mean some of his ideas aren't useful. Any coalition will require those involved to go through an extensive self education process. Expanding on his ideas can be part of that.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
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One would hope that he would
One would hope that he would see the folly of not allowing other currencies to compete with .Gov's money. Having one brand of car cranked out of
Russian factories full of workers who don't give a #@$% hasn't worked to well for them, now has it? Honest competition brings honest products.
As for the redhead, she can't be serious that .Gov could just "pay off all of their bills right now". If the Fed created $10 trillion or so overnight to pay off .Gov's debt, inflation would collapse the world's economy before lunch. It is going to take a little more creative solution than that.
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Are you talking about http://thirdpartyalliance.net?
I wasn't talking about any
I wasn't talking about any existing organization, just the concept. If I were to try to do this, I wouldn't start it with an organization unless I had at least a billion dollars to play with. The first step is individuals from the Ron Paul camps going over to the meetings held by the "other side" talking and finding common ground, or vice versa. We've seen this to some extent already, it just needs more thought and play on popular blogs etc to get it going in earnest. Whatever political moves are made need to have a long term outlook. It's a difficult path to take because false division based on ideological (and practical) manipulation has run deep for many years.
This may mean Ron Paul people supporting a Grayson clone in one state and socialists supporting a Ron Paul clone in another. To fix the country before the real horrors begin we need to get past the petty squabbling and face facts. I don't think it's actually going to happen, even here most threads devolve into blind petty bickering in places, but that's part of a real solution.
To give you an idea of how likely I think we are to actually do it, I moved out of the country and don't plan on returning, other than on business trips, any time soon. I brought two crisp dollar bills and had them mounted (front and back showing) as a kind of historic piece. They are hung next to the puzzle map of the USSR my grandfather sent me for Christmas when the Berlin Wall came down (he sent it before it happened, the card just had a winking smiley face). I don't think the fight is lost, just that its going to get stormy and I don't yet have the resources to stand when that wind blows.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
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Hmmm what you might not know about TWOO
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E. Thank God for bugs, they're company for people in solitary confinement.
Yes, the yellow brick rd is for gold bricks,
silver slippers for silver
emerald city for greenbacks
the scarecrow is the straw man, a common expression in the patriot movement for regular people, when they capitalize your name on documents, as in an artificial person, court documents
the tin man who needs oil, well the tax identification man, you can think of him as the IRS or yourself
& of course, the wizard of Oz himself, or the wizard of ounces, the 1 whos a big smoke & mirrors, whos a big bully who stands behind a curtain talking from a microphone, scaring everybody whom a dog uncovers
the witches are a different story, 1 from the West & 1 from the East
Anyone else care to comment on the story behind the story
For some reason, we're expected to know every law that exists in America & in our state so we don't break it. We're supposed to know this when we're 18. There's no litmus test for them, as in the 10 commandments or rhyme or reason. C.U.R.E. Bugs are c
Wizard of Oz
In the book visitors of the emerald city had to where green spectacles making things appear green...when they actually had no color.
emerald city = fiat
yellow brick road = gold standard
silver slippers = the coinage of free silver
The scarecrow (farmer) had no brain (did not know that he was being robbed)
The Tin Man (industry) had no heart
The Lion (politicians) had no courage
This is correct, though
This is correct, though Still says that the lion is one politician in particular, WJ Bryan. It's a symbol so it can be both.
My one complaint with the symbolism he mentioned was the witches of the East and West. I had never understood them to be Morgan and Rockefeller. I had always understood them to be "mother nature". The witch of the East had been killed before the story really began, by putting a house on her. The witch of the West hadn't yet been killed, or tamed, so she could throw the elements of nature at them, including the flying monkeys, which represented Indians. What killed her was water, irrigation, a public works project. I may be wrong in that but I'd say Still is stretching it with his interpretation.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
Does anyone know why he's wearing a VT pin?
Former Hokie here.
Don't know but he shows a
Don't know but he shows a Virginia Tech sign when he talks about university banks. My guess is he either went there, lives by there, or both.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
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This guy is an idiot.
He supports the thesis that man has the power to determine the exact amount of money that should be created, and he supports inflating the money supply. This is all based on the idea that the gold standard is faulty. Why does he think the gold standard is faulty? Because the bankers made using silver as tender illegal.
Anyone that's familiar with Rothbard's and Paul's solution, competing currencies, understand that both of these problems would be solved.
Slamming "gold bugs" by defining their solution as the same type of gold standard that existed in 1800s is irresponsible and completely misunderstands modern "gold bugs". It also shows a misunderstanding of what money is.
What is this guy doing on the Daily Paul?
Someone needs to send him "What Has Government Done to Our Money?/Case for a 100 Percent Gold Dollar".
Not to mention, he glorifies Lincoln for keeping the union together by printing greenbacks to pay for the murdering of thousands of people, and destruction of cities. He then claims that people suffered greatly between 1860s and 1880s due to the contraction of the green back. Didn't the US experience huge economic growth and a drop of prices during this time leading to a great increase in the quality of life for Americans?
I wouldn't say he's an
I wouldn't say he's an idiot. At bare minimum this is something to give to the "progressive" people we all know to at least get them on board with shutting down the current incarnation of the Fed. Maybe they will go further towards understanding competing currencies, maybe they will push for a government money. As long as one isn't forced to use the debt free government money proposed here it's a very good piece of the solution because it can be part of a transition.
He is right in saying that a pure gold standard is wrong. The real question is what group of solutions gives us the most stable and beneficial monetary system. His proposal can at least help us unwind the debt based system.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
No, he's definitely an idiot.
Of course he's right about a "pure gold standard". But he's wrong to say those who advocate a returned to currency backed by precious metals are wrong because the gold standard of the 1800s was faulty. That he makes that connection demonstrates his idiocy because either 1. He's talking about something he hasn't read enough about or 2. He just doesn't get it. Those who advocate a currency backed by precious metals today, at least those who do it in the same vein as Austrian economists, do so only because they assume this is what a free market currency would bare if one would allow it to exist.
He is looking to government for a solution. He wants the printing presses to be in the hands of the congress. This is a very much a step in the wrong direction, and its why Peter Schiff doesn't outright advocate ending the Fed, because what might replace it could be worse.
Sounds interesting...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Hahaha
That lady that said the US government can just issue away all the dollars it needs to cover its debts is so ignorant. What a non-solution if I've ever heard one.
"Greater than the force of mighty armies is the power of an idea whose time has come"
- Victor Hugo
hummm....did you read her book?
you might have a different opinion.
she's correct
the government CHOOSES to borrow the money at interest from the FED instead. Two presidents - Lincoln and Kennedy - realized THEY could issue currency - and didn't need a for-profit, private central bank to do it.
Now you know it, too.
"That lady" as you called her is right, but you're here at this site, so you're bound to continue learning more about how the game is played.
Lincoln, but not Kennedy.
Lincoln, but not Kennedy. The executive order 11110 thing is an urban legend based on a misunderstanding. When Lincoln printed greenbacks (to fund a war, naturally), there was an expectation that they would one day be redeemable in gold again. Astonishingly, it happened!
Then why under JFK were there US BANK NOTES issued???
I have one in my possession and any coin dealer will sell you one available as 2 and 5 dollar bills.
They DO NOT SAY Federal Reserve Note on them.
THEY SAY UNITED STATES BANK NOTE on them...Is this CLEAR TO YOU????????????
Supposedly reedemable for silver.
THIS is why JFK was killed...
No other reason.
The Federal Reserve killed JFK, and they love all the confusion about it which NEVER EVEN MENTIONS them as a suspect.
Oswald, shwoswald...
True magicians.
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thanks for posting this.
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The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine
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Just bought a copy
$17.95. I think it will be worth it.
Sounds like Ellen Brown's book, Web of Debt, which I've never gotten around to reading.
Thank you for purchasing and
Thank you for purchasing and recommending this film to your friends. With your help we can show the world that geeky looking old dudes can make a difference!
That is funny.
Indeed, it is always the geeky looking old dudes who make a difference. One day, I hope to be one of them.
At present, I'm just a geeky looking middle-aged dude :)
I just watched it last
I just watched it last night. It's definitely worth the time, even if he does take shots at "gold bugs". I recommend downloading a copy of "The Wizard of Oz" book from Project Gutenberg and giving it a quick read (if you never read it) before you watch the video.
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"Freedom suppressed and again regained bites with keener fangs than freedom never endangered." -- Cicero
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He has some very particular
He has some very particular ideas about what we should do and where we should go. Yeah, he points out that gold can be manipulated and thus wouldn't be ultimately different that what we have now and I like his argument for silver in this regard. Now here is where I often feel like a simpleton for pointing out that we just got off what's essentially a basket metal currency because we used to stamp coins out of gold, silver, nickel and copper. There are lots of other nice shiny metals too.
Like an Amazon Digg
So he is asking for an Amazon Digg basically. Who knew that Helicopter Ben and the Fed ran amazon as well.