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Ron Paul asks Hillary Clinton if she supports Bush Doctrine 12/02/2009

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gueyahhh

so... (4:52):
HC: "We were attacked from Afghanistan. So even if the doctrine is or is not an appropriate one it is not applicable to the situation before us.

RP: "We were never attacked by an Afghani!" (*points pencil)

HC: "That's not true. al queda was embedded in Afghan society, they we're given a chance to turn over bin laden before we attacked and they refused.
---time expired---
by the way, clinton talked so slow that I didn't even have to pause the video to type her words out
"The War Prayer - Mark Twain"

I don't know about you...

but, as a woman, nothing turns my stomach quite like watching a woman in power defend the atrocity of war and the "collateral damage" of the murder of innocents. It just makes me want to cry.

picture is worth a thousand words ..

answer the question......

It is either yes or no......pretty straight forward.

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Check this article out

Interesting title.."Poll: Isolationism Soars Among Americans"

http://www.wfsb.com/news/21795165/detail.html

"I don't want to be in a battle . . . but
waiting on the edge of one I can't escape
is even worse"

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

It's not isolationism, it's non-intervention!

You should post this article as a new forum topic...

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Hillary looks like a 100

Hillary looks like a 100 miles of bad road.. I feel so sorry for the poor chump who has her as a mother inlaw...

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

what an idiot.... what else

what an idiot.... what else do you expect from immoral lesbian. She sits there and says that the last 8 years were done wrong, but then supports what Bush did... hypocrite.....

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

lesbian statement.

"what an idiot.... what else do you expect from immoral lesbian"

you may not like her, but lesbians are not immoral.

In truth,

Any one notice Hillary is sounding more and more like

a Big Tobacco Lobbyist - hahaha.

I mean she seems stufffed with smoke and grease.

As if she's laboring for air to choke out an answer.

This is the "effect" of politics -- constant compromise and lies.

She is choking on the effects of losing her heart.

She knows that young idealist from her youth has long since died.

Ron Paul is the ONLY vibrant politician and he's one of the oldest -- he's aged well because he can sleep at night knowing he's never wavered and never lied.

RP is an example of what being "truly human" is all about.

Octobox

OT But hey crime is crime right ?

Florida Cop still on job after being arrested for kidnapping & battery
link here:
http://www.wearechange.org/2009/12/florida-cop-still-on-job-...

Just more evidence of a police state gone wild and out of control.

Ron Paul on C-Span Washington Journal right now.

Ron Paul is on C-Spam Washington Journal right now - 8:00am Central time.

MarilynInLakeJackson

Time expired....

Grrr Let the drunk woman finish ! I hate the rule and the lack of dedate. Make a good point and get no response. I would lose my mind. I don't know how he has done it all these years!VVVVVVVENT!!!!!te
We are the ones that have to take action and try to stand up for the tenth ammendnenr in each state! We all need to use our Attortyt general and the Constitution, Show Up in large numbers at the general assembly as much as we can, WE faught off real ID with about 50 very polite vocal people. I t was a 3 year battle and roller coaster ride. But we did win! I saw for sure the neocons are waking up or the silent ones are raising their voces.

debate

ye i like the debates they have over in england... much livelier... imagine if gw bush would have had to debate congress like the PM has to debate parliment....

hilarity would have ensued.

great video

should be in his 'best of'

A couple people came close

A couple people came close but nobody seems to remember that the invasion of Afghanistan was planned well before 9/11 with the actual invasion plan sitting on Bush's desk on 9/9/01

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/preplanned.html

Here we go. I thought it

Here we go. I thought it was sitting on his desk once he got to the WH after being sworn in. Didn't Elvis give it to him.
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

whatareallygreatsite

DIPLOMACY

Diplomacy, is the prevention of preemptive war and any war. And sovereignty is the best policy.

Hillaryous Part 2

Harboring hijackers while they trained is an act of WAR! We begin bombing Florida and Germany tomorrow.

Haha! Tell me about it. They

Haha! Tell me about it. They should rename the Bush Doctrine the Brat Doctrine.

Hillaryous

RP- Do you support the Bush Doctrine of preventative war?
Bob Gates- (paraphrasing) uh...well...we support war to prevent prevantative war..er uh..

Hillary- We need to fight a PREVENTATIVE war in afghanistan AFTER we were attacked (because Afghanis elected the Taliban and the Taliban hid Al Qaida.)

Huh?

How big is Afganistan compared to US? (interactive map)

How big is Afghanistan?
- an example of map comparison.
The idea: You can explore the size of an unfamiliar place by comparing it with a familiar one.

http://www.vendian.org/mncharity/dir3/afghan_map/

After looking at the map, imagine 8 years and 30,000 men in pursuit of 100 people.
For Hillary, it ain't no never mind.

Here's a map of Iraq in comparison to US.
http://www.vendian.org/mncharity/dir3/iraq_map/

Wow, most other countries are flat line also!

War is a racquet.

There is one rising STAR:



http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=ny_gdp_mktp_c...


Outpacing American inflation!

Maybe our government is trying to print our way to victory against our communist lenders. Except the more our government does that, the more our government becomes just like them.


Ron Paul's Convention Speech

Very telling of Hillary . . . is 4min 30 seconds in . ..

the last one minute of the clip, just play it back a few times, and hear Hillary convince herself that killing many afghani is ok . . . Dr. Paul looks sternly and admonstrative at her.
I believeObama and Hillary as same amount of sycophancy.

you have to understand that

you have to understand that all these people are sock puppets and take their orders from the world elite... they do as they are told...

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

Rawfood...

...racket, not raquet. :)

It's a shame that Paul didn't have a chance to rebut her again.

Dr. Paul at his best...

From wikipedia:

Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.

Ron Paul 2012 for Peace

Ron Paul 2012 for Peace

If only

Ron Paul had more time to respond!

yep... more time to make

yep... more time to make them sweat.. I bet they have a clock that shows the time left so they can avoid..

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. Proverbs 22:3
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword.

None of them look Dr. Paul in the eyes, that is all I need to

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

see, LIARS!!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

"We Were Never Attacked by an Afghani." - Dr. Paul


Ouch! Hillary Clinton sort of wiggled around that, but did not answer correctly.


Ron Paul's Convention Speech

There is no evidence we were attacked by anyone

Remember the WTC was demolished. Someone set this up and I'll bet dimes to doughnuts it wasn't a group of Arabs taking orders from a guy in a cave. These demolitions were professionally done with a HUGE amount of military grade explosives.Here's the page

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/000...

I'm going to keep making these type posts and telling anyone who will listen
The paper above is THE ONLY REAL FORENSIC EVIDENCE for this case
that I'm aware of.

They don't deny planes, do they?

This video and thread are CLASSICS !!!!

What Ron would never say...

"You are a lying bitch. The 'attackers' were mostly from Saudi Arabia, you brainwashed neocon-loving kook."

Question...

Preventive versus Preemptive War? Are they both immoral? What type of war is morally justified?

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I think they are one in the same, myself. Declaring a preemptive war is a preventative method of insuring a nations security.

In my opinion a morally justified war is one that is reactionary; not provoked. Declared through a declaration of war, not via dictatorial leadership.

An immoral war is a war undeclared by a nations society, killing many innocent lives.

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A million lives or more. In the last 8~9 years the USA is responsible for, virtually genocide. A million people.....dead.....unfathomable. A MILLION people.....WHAT ARE WE DOING?
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If there is actual evidence preemptive war is fine

All one needs to declare a preventitive war is evidence that a country has the means to cause ones country harm. In that way a peventitive war could be started with any country.

In a preemptive war, one attacks a country that is showing signs they are preparing to attack and that it is only a matter of time. Such as the Six Day war where Israel saw the Arab armies amassing troops along their border and attacked. In that case a preemptive war is completely justified.

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I think Pre-emptive is if

I think Pre-emptive is if there is an imminent attack coming. Preventative is what we did to Iraq and Afghanistan. Only defensive wars are justified.

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mistake

I love Ron Paul, but it was a mistake for him to open his mouth at the end, I think. He should have just heard the answers---it left him looking bad in a non-supporters mind.

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Couldnt disagree more. Not

Couldnt disagree more. Not only did he not look bad, he should have kept going and shouted down Clinton's lies with more truth so that he had the last word.

Ventura 2012

I agree...

We understand what Dr. Paul was saying but many won't and throwing that statement out there without a chance to respond only gives fuel to the anti-Paul folk. The only reason I feel this is worth commenting on is because I can already see some jerk posting this video with the title, "Ron Paul gets owned by Hillary Clinton".

He was right though, wasn't he?

I thought it was perfect, because I think he was RIGHT! Was anyone on the plane an Afghani. ( I don't know, but I heard something like 90% were from Saudi Arabia!

We have to remember that this is a disinformation campaign to go back to the fear of 9/11. Dr. Paul is shattering the myth that Afghanistan, the country or any person from Afghanistan, is responsible for 9/11.

Does anyone know if there was an Afghani on the plane? If not, why are we attacking that country? Even if there was, why would we?

We are essentially taking over other country's security responsibility, but really creating and inciting more violence and becoming the sole reason for the future problem. Let the dead past bury its dead and lets get out and offer humanitarian UN aid.

We may be repeating Russia's mistake in Afghanistan to the thrill of the world banksters, but it was NOT Afghanistan who attacked us. Dr. Paul made that clear very quickly.

This NWO Corp/military pushes people around the world.

Doesn't matter who attacked us anymore.
We have a run away super preditor mind set that is set on war as an economy, in fact, the new world order economy.
Translate: We thugs, you not.
Reality: We want your land.
Responce: Most people think this is rude.

But he had a good point

And if Afghanistan was given PROOF, they said they would have turned him over. But we had no proof. Still have no proof.

yes, she thinks she's . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

got it all wrapped up, doesn't she?

Forceful ignorance.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--