RJ Harris - "Depart from Valley Forge"
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 21:08
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I think RJ is going all the way.
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Ummm, NO
Adam is true patriot in the Ron Paul mode. Rand, Peter and RJ are not what they represent to be. This type of talk on a Ron Paul web site?
Have I walked into a twilight zone or something?
War is peace?
Ignorance is strength?
Debt is wealth?
Somebody wake me up from this Orwellian nightmare...
Republican - Democrat: two wings of a vulture
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
"Let the dead bury their dead"
You're Lost.
The nightmare is only in your head or agenda.
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
"Freedom brings people together." - Ron Paul
or maybe...
you're just a confused little neocon?
Republican - Democrat: two wings of a vulture
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
"Let the dead bury their dead"
No
Are you trying to further the agenda against liberty candidates or have you become entangled in it? I hope the latter.
These attacks on Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, and RJ Harris are absurd and baseless.
Maybe you don't belong on this site just yet. Or maybe you are ignoring everything else here?
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
"Freedom brings people together." - Ron Paul
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The Mirror is Calling...
Henry,
It is unfortunate that you have decided to blame the courage, honor and valor of our veterans for the mistakes of our lawfully elected representatives. We do not live (yet) under a military dictatorship and members of the military do not legislate our laws of their own volition. The day the military can decide for itself when to obey Congress and when not to is truly the day that our Republic is lost. It is so much easier then for you to direct your hate at your fellow citizens rather than at that those who have truly earned it because soldiers make such easy and indefensible targets when objecting to the legislative process. You throw words like Nazi around like a children's toy and in the process not only do you slander our veterans but you diminish those truly worthy of the title and you diminish those that truly suffered under them. There is a reason that not EVERY German soldier, in fact not even most of them, were ever tried for war crimes. It is because most of them were not committing genocide at Auschwitz. Most of them were fighting in a war that they were told was to protect their home land. As horrible as what went on at Abu Grab was, it does not equivocate to genocide and to say that it does is a disservice to every Jew that lived through such horror's and to every American soldier that never came within eyesight of that place. Your rantings are no better than those hatemonger's that would turn their vilification on an entire class or race because of the bad behavior of a few.
I said in the video that I have fought for our freedom and liberty twice and I stand by those words today. I did not go to Iraq for money or glory. I am a struggling law student with a wife and five kids and no one knew or cared who I was until recently. Like most of our veterans at the time and most of those deployed today, I believed that I fought to protect us from those bent on our destruction. While that belief may be true and justified, what I did not understand at the time was that an Authorization for the Use of Force Resolution was not the same thing as a Declaration of War or a Letter of Reprisal. What I did not understand at the time was that when our Congress refuses to abide by the rule of law it turns our soldiers, against their will, into that which we fight against. What I did not know as a young soldier, uneducated in the Ethics of Liberty, was that our Congress could not be trusted to do their job while they sent me to do mine.
However, it does not make any difference, now or then, if I had known or for those officers that do know the difference today. We each only have one vote; same as you. And if the American People are going to keep electing lawless people to run this country then we are going to keep getting infringements into our individual Liberty and state Sovereignty and we are going to keep getting conflicts abroad without end. Until we start educating the younger generations in the Ethics of Liberty we are going to keep getting young men and women, before they are aware of such things, under legal contract bound and obligated to follow the statutory mandates of the Congress in accordance with Article I Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution which specifically grants such power to the Congress to train, discipline and regulate the Land and Naval Forces of the United States!
Now given your recent diatribes against the Constitution, I know that whatever I say in its defense, or mine in following it, falls on your amply deaf ear. To that I will remind you that Thomas Jefferson took the oath of Presidential Office swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution that he had so ardently argued against. The reason he did that is because he recognized that, as flawed as he considered the Constitution to be, he knew that the Constitution was, and still is, the embodiment of the Consent of the People to be governed and that without it all societal action would be tyranny…without it there would be no Presidential oath to take because there would be no President and no Congress and nothing to stand up to the British when they came calling to take their Colonies back. Our rights do not come from it, they are merely codified there and protected when it is upheld. The erosions of our freedom, liberty and state sovereignty today are not due to a failure of the Constitution…after all--as much as I love it--it is only a piece of paper. No Sir, the blame for the dire situation our Republic finds itself in rests squarely upon the shoulders of We the People who have shown neither the courage of our convictions nor the valor of our forefathers in refusing to stand up to the tyrants in DC who seem all too ready to carry on by King George's example!
If you still want to be angry at someone, I suggest you look into the mirror sometime and ask yourself what you have done lately to defend your liberty besides tear down the very people fighting to restore it. I have no doubt that all of this will fly past you completely unheard or heeded. After all, I can hardly expect someone who has publicly called for my lynching, based only upon my service in the National Guard, to understand even the smallest part of the Ethics of Liberty.
RJ Harris
Constitutional Conservative Republican
US Congressional Candidate
Oklahoma 4th District
www.rjharris2010.com
RJ Harris
Constitutional Conservative Republican
US Congressional Candidate
Oklahoma 4th District
www.rjharris2010.com
Aren't you supposed to be studying for final exams?
That was a rousing speech denying responsibility. So who have you blamed to justify your going to do what you are proud to have done? Good ole deflection; point the finger at someone else. So you say, the politicians are at fault for their mistake in ordering you to go (the just following orders defense), then I am to blame for daring to suggest that you have responsibility (I did not blame the courage, honor or valor of veterans, for it was not their courage, honor or valor that did the killing, it was they, but cool use of patriotic words), then you say that those in the military cannot make a choice of whether to follow orders or stand up and refuse because this is not a military dictatorship (you mean none of you have minds to think of these things and consider if taking part in killing in carrying out an illegal invasion is the right thing to do), and then I am a racist defaming Jews (can't quite figure out your logic on that one). What a good job of deflection away from yourself. And the use of the reference to mirrors is almost poetic since the whole thrust of your essay is to not look at you, but to look in the mirror instead. Cool. I almost now believe it was I who did not bother to examine the morality of my actions and went to kill people in an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation.
Then you got around to the poor me defense. You were just a poor unknown student father of five who believed in what he was doing like all the rest of your fellows then believed and still now believe. (I was just doing what everyone else was doing.)
How did that part about Congresses violating the law and turning soldiers into the evil we were fighting against creep into you writing? Are you not doing what you accuse me of doing, pointing a finger at the soldiers who you say became the evil we were fighting against in the first place?
And then I really like the part where, after you deny responsibility for you actions, point the finger at We the people for failure to stand up to the tyrants in DC. So why didn't you stand up to these tyrants and refuse to go do killing for them? Is that what is called talking out of both sides of your mouth at once?
You did have a choice of whether to go do the killing for these politicians or to refuse. I see on a concurrent thread on this site that at least some soldiers are considering their complicity, "Veteran Group Calls on Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq"
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/119226
Oh, and please explain to me how fighting in Iraq was for our freedom and liberty. That one I bet will be really rousing since just the phrase, "fighting for our freedom and liberty" makes me want to go buy a big flag and wrap it around me.
I think perhaps you were in your video attempting to pander to the patriotic feelings of some people toward those in military by pointing out your two tours in Iraq and claiming to have proudly served. I notice that this is what most politicians like to point out, since it sounds so patriotic. I think a much better approach for a candidate advocating liberty, and who purportedly now realizes the evil of illegal invasions, would have been to just admit that you were young and stupid to have not examined the morality and the legality of going to Iraq to kill for the politicians in DC, but now you have grown in your political awareness and realize that it was not the right thing to have blindly obeyed orders. We all progress in the development of our thoughts and our morals; we aren't just born knowing right from wrong. Claiming pride in what you did after you supposedly realize the illegality of that war looks foolish and hypocritical; shame and remorse I think would be more in line with a realization of what was done to the people of Iraq was illegal, immoral and just plain evil.
As an aside, for those of you who have wondered if US troops would ever turn their guns on US citizens if ordered to do so, I think this discussion should answer your question. Of course they will, simply because for the majority, it is not part of their mindsets to consider not obeying. After all, they now take an oath to follow the orders of the President.
Killing Children is Okay but that pesty Iraq War is not...
Henry, you pretend to care so much about the lives of those Iraqi's but with your thinking there is nothing wrong with killing all of the non-sentient and unconditioned humans in Iraq.
You cannot have it both ways. You either care about life or you don't.
You must mean that you are ticked off that so many adult Iraqi's have been killed. Who cares about the children, the elderly, the mentally ill, right? They don't deserve to be alive anyway, so what does it matter?
I wonder if TreeTop007 agrees with Henry that it is okay to kill children or any non-sentient/incapable of self-sustainment human.
"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises
RJ, Ignore them..
RJ,
Ignore them.. Unfortunetly, Ron Pauls ideals attract liberals who are a 1 issue voter type.. they have tunnel vision and can not see the forest for the trees.. Most of them are young kids who have not had to work, pay bills, run businesses or raise children.. Henry is a half bubble off.. why the fool would come to this web site to trash the Constitution is beyond me. Treetop, well who knows.. maybe she/he needs a case of exlax...
don't ya just love the armchair quarterbacks telling you what you should have done..
TREASON: "Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612
Why aren't you killing 'terrorist'
instead of typing bullshit opinions?
If you believe in the boogie-man terrorist, go get him. Don't sit on your ass acting as if you are some sort of patriot, get it over to Afghanistan, Iraq, or wherever you think the boogie-man is.
dingbat....where did I say I
dingbat....where did I say I beleived in the boogieman terrorist.. where in that post did I say that? you got a hold of some bad hallucigenerics my friend.. You are just like Fedor.. always putting words in peoples mouths.
are you mental?
TREASON: "Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612
RJ Harris believes in the 'War on Terror'
So what are you smoking?
Well written.
I live north of Tulsa and am backing you... your reply to Henry deepens my resolve.
I am a vet as well and have taken a long hard look at how the Ron Paul movement is going lately, especially in thier attitudes of military service.
After careful thought I have decided to leave the (I) party and become a Republican. Not because of thier hawkish attitude (I'm anti-war) but because I think that the independents are swinging too far left in thier rhetoric. I am alienated by the very people I feel I have served.... so be it.
I honestly believe that the R party can be rebuilt as a conservative base. I think at this point that trying to built an independent conservative base is impossible. There are too many independents that espouse either straight anarchy ( a nice fantasy, but at the end of the day exactly that) or some odd alternate world where not having a military will make us the bastion of the free world (a nice fantasy, but at the end of the day exactly that). I simply cannot suspend disbelief long enough to espouse either ideal.
I digress, however. I wish you luck in your run for office.. remember the Native Americans in your campaign. Turns out they are starting to feel a little less complacent, especially with the latest settlement attempt by the government. There may even be a tribe or two in Oklahoma that are looking to get behind a candidate such as yourself....
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I agree.. we have to many
I agree.. we have to many liberals here.. for some reason they think libertarian is not conservative and because libertarian and liberal sound a little alike they must be the same..
TREASON: "Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612
Good for you, welcome aboard!
Despite the efforts of our friends TreeTop007 and Henry, I am happy to have won you over to the side of Liberty. You really will find that the two of them are not indicitive of the greater Liberty Movement. There is a Liberty Candidate running in your district BTW; his name is Nathan Dahm and he is challenging bailout voter Sullivan.
Also, I am Kiowa and I am working on a paper to send out to all the Tribal Nations in Oklahoma articulating my commitment to their sovereignty codified under Article VI of the Constitution. With any luck I will be able to finish it up over the Christmas holiday.
RJ Harris
Constitutional Conservative Republican
US Congressional Candidate
Oklahoma 4th District
www.rjharris2010.com
RJ Harris
Constitutional Conservative Republican
US Congressional Candidate
Oklahoma 4th District
www.rjharris2010.com
Quit promoting a war and go fight it
It's hard to trust someone who promotes a way forward on the 'war on terror' while they are typing from the comfort of their home and trying to get into Congress and send someone else to die while killing innocents and chasing your boogie-man.
TreeTop007
Did you even read his blog?
"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises
Your 'Ethics of Liberty' stink
'I said in the video that I have fought for our freedom and liberty twice and I stand by those words today.'
Bullshit, you went to the other side of the world, into somebody's own backyard, and killed them, period. Those Iraqis you killed were no threat to 'our freedom and liberty'.
If you TRULY believe in this fake 'war on terror' that you are so eager to promote, then you need to go back and kill more people and let someone else go to Congress and get the paperwork in order to your satisfaction.
There are plenty of patriotic warmongers willing to sit in Congress and send you, along with anyone else, off to these foreign countries and kill for 'our freedom and liberty'.
Phhtt...
your argument is intellectually bankrupt and is probably just a kneejerk reaction to you not ever having personally done a damn thing for your country.
Read his stance.. not the fact that he has actually taken the time to SERVE.
A word you probably do not comprehend because people such as you have ridden on the backs of patriots since our last revolution.
You want freedom, but only if it personally costs you nothing.
You are the problem... take RJ's advice and find a mirror.
If you think crossing the globe murdering people
who are no threat to us is 'intellectual' and patriotic, then by all means, carry on. Maybe there is an IED with your name on it, you can argue with it.
Mirror mirror
Isn't it interesting that the two most hateful and vile posters on this thread, the two that have 1. espoused lynching people and 2. espoused killing others with roadside bombs have not been the "warmonger" veterans...No it has been the over-the-top SELF supposed espousers of Liberty Ethics; TreeTop007 and Henry. The both of you are twin paragons of human virtue and I don't know where this movement would be without you ;)
BTW despite the horrible things the both of you have said here, I offer my thanks for bumping this thread with a post and wish you both a Merry Christmas. I hope you enjoy the Holidays with your family and friends.
RJ Harris
Constitutional Conservative Republican
US Congressional Candidate
Oklahoma 4th District
www.rjharris2010.com
RJ Harris
Constitutional Conservative Republican
US Congressional Candidate
Oklahoma 4th District
www.rjharris2010.com
I wish your hypocritical ass was in Baghdad
But since it isn't, I hope you have nightmares every night.
You're a real class act
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and yours.
You sir do write eloquently.
You sir do write eloquently. As a fellow vet I thank you for your service and understand as I also was ignorant of what liberty truly was. Thank you for running for office and my best wishes in your current battle in our war for liberty.
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Federal Reserve to the American People:
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
"If you still want to be
"If you still want to be angry at someone, I suggest you look into the mirror... "
oh, he is too self righteous for that. Maybe he should turn on the boob tube to get some perspective as to who the REAL enemy is!!!
Ventura 2012
Well stated RJ !
Thank you for this response!
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Thanks for the video!
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
There is that soundtrack again...
I'm going to use it while driving I-94 to work then the refrain when I arrive and the build up as I'm walking through the door
For Freedom!
For Freedom!
RJ Paul?
RJ Harris might as well be RJ Paul because he is far more like Ron Paul on the issues, than even Rand Paul.
Henry, do you think Ron Paul is a neo-con for serving in the military during undeclared wars?
Henry, do you believe that human beings have a fundamental right to life? If so, does this fundamental right to life surpass a woman’s fundamental right to their property; especially considering a woman’s consent to allowing this life form to enter their property by engaging in the process of procreation?
"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises
Did Ron Paul go to Viet Nam to fight, or did he just deliver
babies in a military hospital during that conflict? There are degrees of complicity.
And as far as the fundamental right to life, did the civilian men, women and children in Iraq have a fundamental right to life before having their own snuffed out by Bush and those who did not have the moral fortitude to refuse to carry out his illegal orders? Are not people responsible for their actions?
There is no sense in discussing the abortion issue because religion is a form of brainwashing that blocks out logic and substitutes commands based on faith. I wonder how many people who do not buy into the God theory of creation go around presenting the pro life arguments? And isn't it interesting that you seem to have no problem with killing existing human beings while carrying out an illegal invasion, but strongly object to terminating a pregnancy, wishing to defining it as criminal. Where is your outrage over the killings in Iraq? And when you consider that the clear purpose of invasion of Iraq was to secure their oil for the USA, the hypocrisy is even greater. Sad for the people of Iraq that under their soil is the second greatest reserve of oil in the world.
Give it a rest
The path each person travels to arrive at the ideas of liberty is theirs and theirs alone. For some people all it takes is reading some books and thinking things through. For others it takes witnessing the horrors of war to expose the nature of the lies they've been fed. Many people are taught not to question authority from a very early age. Others are encourage to think on their own. To sit in judgment over the path an individual takes to arrive at a belief in freedom and natural law is folly.
The past is the past. Today, right now, here and in this place, RJ Harris is a friend of freedom. And I believe RJ's conviction is not some passing fancy or a gravy train ride to an easy paycheck. There're much, much, much easier ways to get a government paycheck than to be a liberty candidate and a proponent of Constitutional principles. The fact that RJ proudly served in the military and yet has basically dedicated his life to bring about a more peaceful, hopeful world by spreading the message of liberty makes him a very special person IMO. You may not be familiar with the type of person who would willingly suffer the horrors of violent injustice so that others might not have to. As far as I can tell RJ is that type of person. Read his posts on the DP and you'll see he never ducks criticism and he answers every questions asked of him. I've asked him questions in other threads and he's always answered them. I've disagreed with him in other threads and he's always come back with direct answers based on his beliefs in natural law. I don't know why you're so intent on slamming him for serving in the military but I couldn't disagree more. RJ is the real deal and if you can't see that then you've made your point and please give it a rest.
No Answers
Neither of those statements are answers.
Making assumptions about my positions on other issues, those of which I did not ask you a question about, is also avoidance of the questions I asked. It is also very amaturistic and pathetic.
So out of those couple hundred words you said nothing of any substance. You went on a rant about religion and Iraq. Your inability to think beyond religion in pondering the issue of abortion shows a lack of study or thought into the issue. I'm an Agnostic and I haven't stated my position on abortion; again only your ill thought assumptions.
So I'll ask you again in hopes of finding an intellectual/well-thought out answer, or you can play politician and continue to avoid them as an intellectual sissy would.
Henry, do you believe that human beings have a fundamental right to life? If so, does this fundamental right to life surpass a woman’s fundamental right to their property; especially considering a woman’s consent to allowing this life form to enter their property by engaging in the process of procreation?
"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises
I think that people have a conditional right to life.
For example, you have a right to life so long as you are not attempting to take the life of another, in which case that person is exempt from criminal prosecution by most governments in terminating your life at the time of your aggression. If you can forfeit that right, then it is not unconditional (fundamental), is it?
I think that a life occupying the body of a woman does not have an unconditional right to life just because it is there, and that that particular condition relating to a woman's willingness to support that life, is only removed at some later point based on a rational determination of viability.
Your right to life is conditioned on your willingness to provide the necessities of life to sustain you. You forfeit that life if you do not meet that condition, so your right to life in not unconditional.
I also point out that I read into your question some need on your part to punish (by forcing them to have unwanted children) people for "engaging in the process of procreation" for pleasure. Maybe I am wrong, but why would it matter whether the sex act was voluntary or not.
If you want a more detailed response, please just ask.
A right to life only applies to sentient and conditioned humans?
Firstly, thank you for answering the question. I apologize for the "intellectual-sissy" comment.
Then with this logic you must now bite the bullet and accept that children, paraplegics’, etc., essentially those whom are unable to care for themselves, have no right to life. Essentially, then, we either leave the human to die in the street or we can even kill it ourselves without consequence since it has no right to life.
If we all accepted this theory then categorical imperative could potentially lead to the extinction of the human race. It is in the human beings nature to ensure the survival of its own species; this begins by granting the right to life to any non-sentient humans who most certainly have a 90%+ potentiality of becoming sentient and self-sufficient. All humans are non-sentient and “parasitic life forms” in the early stages of their development. See Piaget’s theories of the psychological development through the life-span.
I do not believe you agree that it would be okay to kill a child, but to be intellectually honest you are defining life as something that doesn't exist before reaching sentience and proper conditioning; therefore logic would follow that non-sentient and unconditioned humans should be treated no differently than cattle.
When engaging in the process of procreation for pleasure, which all humans do, you should do it wisely with the understanding that the woman could be forced to contain a non-sentient human life within them. The non-sentient human (the fetus, baby, young child, etc.) has a right to life which surpasses the woman’s right to property; unless we take your position which is only sentient/self sufficient humans have a right to life.
If you allow a child to come into your home and you care for it for a time, but then decide you want the child to leave, then I would consider killing the child unmerited simply because you want it to exit your property. It did not consent to being in your property; you consented to having it in your property. Therefore, the child has not trespassed. Either be prepared to deal with the consequences of parenthood, which begins at pregnancy, or start using birth control. What happened to our libertarian principles of individual responsibility and believing in the right to life?
The following publication, http://www.walterblock.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/b... , offers a very interesting solution to this issue. If we were able to extract the fetus and grow it outside of the mother, then this would be a legitimate compromise for un-wanting mothers.
I contend, until the above compromise is possible, that if you want to have an abortion, figure it out before the fetus begins to grow a brain and move on its own accord (i.e. at the point of the quickening). If you cannot decide before then, too bad, but philosophically speaking I still believe that once the sperm hits the egg, there is an entity which has a right to life because of its potentiality to become a sentient and conditioned human being-- the survival of the human race may depend on following this logic.
"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises
Culling my herd of cattle of the weakest results in improvement,
not extinction.
That is correct; defective humans and children have lives that are conditioned on the willingness of others to sustain their lives. Actually throughout time there has been natural selection such that those who do not properly care for their children have a greater chance of their genetic material not being carried forward, so we have evolved to the point where we are more inclined to care for our children, and poor parents are weeded out by nature. You assertion that the human species is in danger of extinction from culling does not fit the facts. The Grimm story of Hansel and Gretel is based on the actual practice of taking excess children into the woods to be abandoned so that the remainder of the family could survive during hard times.
It has not always been the case that abandoning children to die has been defined as a crime. What was that story about Moses? In actuality many species of birds hatch three eggs and then feed the strongest first, and the next strongest second, only feeding the third if there is enough food. The strategy that has evolved is to have the third only as a possible replacement if something early on happens to the first one or two. Eventually the third is forced out of the nest die. Yes we are not birds, but we are subject to the same necessity of survival and it is just because we have highly developed brains that we conjure up concepts like morals and rights. These morals and rights do not come from nature, but from the human mind, and these are subject to fad and times. If you want to know what rights nature gives us, look at the behavior of animals and you will see all sorts of examples where life is terminated so that other members of the species can survive. Natural rights don't exist in nature.
Isn't abortion in reality just part of the process having babies when they have the best chance of survival. When you think about it, there are a huge number of possible people that could be produced by a given couple. And having one excludes a huge number of other potential babies because while that one is growing, countless numbers of sperm die without impregnating any egg. And abortion one month means that another child could come into existence who would not have been possible had the abortion not occurred. So for humans, our intervention in the selection process by aborting one in favor of another could be said to have prevented the loss of the one who actually is ultimately allowed to be born. And the rational timing of birth can give that child a greater chance of survival.
you are a liberal Henry..
you are a liberal Henry.. you believe everything the brainwashing public school educators taught you... time to wake up my friend..
TREASON: "Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612
Intellectual Honesty
Well at least you are intellectually honest. You are willing to bite the bullet on stating that non-sentient and unconditioned humans do not have a right to life and murdering them is perfectly in line with the ethics of liberty. With your logic, I can kill any child I want for they are simply unworthy of living in their current state.
I'll stay on the other side and bite the bullet that all human life has a right to their life. Categorical Imperative could very well be reflected upon the human race if your view became a dominant one. As a member of the human species, I strive for our species survival; to consent to the idea that non-sentient and unconditioned life does not have a right to life would be counter-productive to the survival of the human species. I cannot think of anything more scientific than the natural selection of human beings selecting their own brethren whom may or may not be sentient and conditioned, and doing all that we can to ensure their survival.
On your comments about natural rights not coming from nature; I'd encourage you to read "The Ethics of Liberty" by Murray Rothbard. One can hardly call themselves a libertarian without having read this work; he would agree with your position on abortion and I believe he is wrong.
"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises
RJ Harris is a good liberty
RJ Harris is a good liberty candidate. Disregard the shill named Henry below. He attempts to divide and conquer. RJ is solid as all heck and anyone saying otherwise is a divide and conquer individual who wants their 'perfect' candidate.
RJ lines up with Ron Paul to a tee. Henry stop your divisiveness! This candidate would uphold the majority of our ideals 95%.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it", said Voltaire. This is not a long stretch with RJ Harris! If you do not like him...then don't contribute to him! However, don't try to spread divisiveness where there is a true liberty candidate!
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Federal Reserve to the American People:
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
RJ Harris Jake Towne and Adam Kokesh are the best
candidates based on their presentation of key issues.
Rand Paul is a good candidate and needs our support too - he is not a neo-con just perhaps pandering for votes to the wrong people I think.
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Who is the shill?
Harris or Henry?
I have been around here, a strong proponent of liberty since the beginning of Ron Paul's most recent campaign, and was even involved in the earlier Libertarian campaign of Ron Paul; I have the canceled checks to prove it.
I am old enough and experienced enough to know a fraud when I see one, and my view is that Harris is a fraud when it comes to his alleged advocacy of liberty. Look at how the man has lived and don't be fooled by his claims.
If you think he is a true liberty candidate, then you are doomed to suffer a continuation of your slavery.
You say I am divisive, and I say you are being duped, and are doing a disservice to the liberty movement.
The Frauds are Schiff and Rand
Period
"Every advance first comes into being as the luxury of a few rich people, only to become, after a time, the indispensable necessity taken for granted by everyone." Mises
Henry: I believe in vetting each politicians who stands before
me -- wanting to wear the title of "leader"
How is RJ Harris a fraud?
Can you articulate that?
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Mises on Profit/Loss
He proudly claims to have "Fought for freedom and liberty twice"
by serving two tours in Iraq.
It is my view (and that of Ron Paul) that the war in Iraq is an illegal, undeclared war. The invasion of Iraq was an unprovoked act of aggression by the US government.
My own view is that only an idiot would believe that we fought in Iraq for "freedom and liberty", yet this is what Harris proudly claims he did.
My view is that we each are responsible for our actions and by going to Iraq and being part of the killing of many innocent (collateral damage) that Harris not only participated in destruction of freedom, but he participated in murder, no different than a Nazi concentration camp guard.
So wouldn't his claim to be a proponent of liberty be proven to be a fraudulent claim when one views his immoral actions?
Can you say NEOCON!
I must say that I am extremely honored....
to finally, in my lifetime, meet a person who has never been "asleep", has never been mistaken in his actions, and has never done anything that he later looks back on from a different perspective.
Even Ron Paul went into the service during Korea and had no idea that it was a manufactured war.
It must be difficult being perfect in a world of fallible beings. But, maybe someday we can all reach your level of all-knowing consciousness.
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A Man's Country Is Not A Certain Area Of Land,
Of Mountains, Rivers, And Woods,
But It Is A Principle......
And Patriotism Is Loyalty To That Principle .
- George William Curtis
Rationality is the recognition of the fact that nothing can alter the truth and nothing can take precedence over that act of perceiving it. Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), Atlas Shrugged