Democrats or Republicans who is a better ally?
Submitted by AMC on Mon, 02/08/2010 - 23:12
I see Ron Paul's message getting a more fair shake on Liberal talk shows than I do on Republican Talk shows.
I am getting more and more convinced that Democrats may be a more natural ally than Republicans.
To me it is all about the core principle which is Honesty. Republicans are just NOT honest. They do not listen or believe their rhetoric. They say pay lip service to things like the Constitution.
Democrats at least do believe the constitution is living and subject to interpretation. On economic issues they are dead wrong but they are honest about their philosophy. Republicans just flat out lie....
On social issues Democrats see the state as an instrument of fairness. Which it is. Republican see the state as an instrument of control.
On the war, Democrats generally oppose it while Republicans love it.
On economic issues the Democrats want fairness and equality brought about through redistribution. *IF* they can be taught that the fairest mechanism for equal redistribution of wealth is the free market we would be set.
I am thinking that so many Liberty candidate run as Republicans why not run as a Democrat? Really take those Democratic issues like war, social issues, and economics and run with them?
You thoughts?
Republicans, of course
Of course neither party has allies at the top. Among the rank and file, maybe 1/3 of the Republicans, at least in Texas, are constitutionalist/libertarian to varying degrees. Our Nolan Chart surveys at State Conventions confirm that, as did the vote for Debra Medina in 2008.
I propose a simple test. Let liberty candidates run in Democrat primaries. If any win their primaries, then I will concede that some Democrats are friends of liberty.
For the time being, it seems evident that all the liberty candidates who have a chance of winning are running in the Republican Party. If the Republican Party gives some of them a thumbs up, then you will have to concede that the GOP can be a home for liberty minded Americans.
Let the election be a test. Is there anywhere in America where a Ron Paul could arise in the Democrat Party? And don't give me Dennis Kucinich. I mean someone who is for liberty at home and not just anti-war.
i dont know but,
I do find that I have had an easier time convincing my "liberal" friends about Dr. Paul's ideas than I have my "conservative" friends... I just don't think that as far as the parties go that the democratic and constitutional platforms mesh well. In reality it is correct that the answer is neither, because both parties really are the same...
It would make sense to run as a democrat
If somebody ran as a democrat, they could easily expose the fact that the republican party has always been the party of wealthy business interests and that they use free-market rhetoric to hide protectionist schemes. If there was ever a democrat who actually understood how and why markets work, it might do well to educate other democrats who are moderate supporters of regulated capitalism but don't trust republicans.
I think that if I ran (which I never will, so it doesn't matter), I would probably run as a democrat. That's what my parents are, and a lot of people who just haven't thought about politics much trust them because they know that, for the most part, the republicans are full of shit. (People like ms. palin turn off moderate voters at a surprisingly rapid clip)
The problem would be the fact that I would obviously be against health care fascism. I don't think it would be possible for me to explain all of the causes and complicated reasons why the government has destroyed health care. A lot of voters can only think in one-word answers. If I disagree with obama, then I am against "health care reform." To a person who is emotionally (but not intellectually (= doesn't read books)) concerned about health care, anything more than "goverment gives poor people health insurance" simply doesn't register.
It all depends on your location and your culture. If your parents are democrats and 90% of the voters in your district are old hippies, why even waste time running as a republican? On the reverse side, if you live in Texas, I think you would know better than to run as a democrat.
Neither.
Trying to pick one or the other is exactly how we got into this mess.
The way out is to leave both in the dust.
And you don't have two parties here. You have two factions of the same party of big government.
Easy answer...
People are the best ally.
Do not let a party affiliation define who you are... or who others are.
Doing so just throws you right back into the same maze you thought you escaped.
An individual has bajillions of differences from other individuals.
Being an individual is OK!
I was thinking about working in the two party system
Is it more natural to run as a republican or a democrat.
It is more natural to run...
with those you felt most closely aligned to before you became "enlightened."
We do not need to get good laws to restrain bad people,
we need to get good people to restrain bad laws. --
--G.K. Chesterton
Keep both avenues open...
There are many former Democrats as well as Neo-Cons here at DP. We must keep our doors open to all and our message of liberty and freedom will continue to resonate through out America as our numbers will continue to grow.
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
Entangling alliances, passionate attachments with none.
Yes. Many DPers are getting caught up in parties just at the point in history when technology and malaise is neutering the value of parties.
The year a small-government Senator is finally elected: Rand Paul 2010
RP will win only when people
RP will win only when people are identified themselves as individuals.
Yep, and that time is near.
Yep, and that time is near.
The year a small-government Senator is finally elected: Rand Paul 2010
The problem with the
The problem with the Democrats is that their party is much better at quashing dissent(See Kucinich/Gravel). Also, you must pander to powerful special interests like Unions and Race/Gender groups and violate the Constitution in doing so. Republicans talk a good game besides the war issue, and their special interests(big oil, banksters) have less influence over actual voting Republicans.
Ventura 2012
Let me pitch this idea
When I wrote this I thought about special interest especially unions. But what about taking them head on like RP has done so many times.
Attack the Companies that receive government aid/subsidies FIRST. Then you can take on the unions. You just make the argument who can negotiate better pay, the individual or some group. I think most people in Unions think they would earn more money out of a union.
its possible but difficult.
its possible but difficult. It is more of a philosophical battle. I'd rather win the political battle first.
Ventura 2012
Let me pitch this idea
When I wrote this I thought about special interest especially unions. But what about taking them head on like RP has done so many times.
Attack the Companies that receive government aid/subsidies FIRST. Then you can take on the unions. You just make the argument who can negotiate better pay, the individual or some group. I think most people in Unions think they would earn more money out of a union.
I agree with you
I think they could be educated in areas that they have been brainwashed. Bring Ron Paul's message to all the parties and they can meet in the middle. It does not help to only work in one area because it can be manipulated but if we work in all the parties it might help.