media saying endlessly that the NeoCons have hijacked the tea party "movement" is just more lies. Are the bulk of the angry, awakening citizens really being duped right back into the sheepfold so easily? Time will tell, but Medina's contest is challenging that view.
So I'm hoping the discouraging news is more force-fed disinformation, the personification of which is the vile Palin puppet.
Submitted by spacehabitats on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 19:15.
She doesn't want to do anything constructive or she would be reporting on the large number of Tea Partiers who are NOT NeoConned.
Sure, Sara Palin is a tool.
She's proved that recently. But as I've said before, I am not concerned about her leading US astray.
Quick show of hands,...
How many of you DailyPaulers are ready to sign on to endless wars and unlimited "defense" spending because good ole Sara says so?
Anybody?...
Anybody?...
No, the people we need to worry about are the conservative (NOT NEO-conservative) Republicans who might listen to this horse manure. (I doubt if any of the other Tea Partiers would give her the time of day.)
These are the people we should be educating at the CPAC, grassroots Tea Party events, at our county GOP committees and Republican Women groups.
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****************************** An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
Not only have these neocon Palinites hi-jacked the Tea Party movement, but I notice more and more they are referring to themselves as "libertarians"! First it was Glenn Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh calling themselves "libertarian", now it is every Joe the plumber out there who thinks they are as well. Worst of all, people who have been lifelong libertarians are being called "leftist" and other nonsense! Remember when we were saying we needed to take-over the GOP from the neocons? What happened? It appears they have just re-labeling themselves, and marketed it to associate themselves with "liberty" which they know nothing about!
We sit at the fringe overlooking a bunch of actors pretending to be us while stealing our audience as well as our reputations.
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The role of a farmer, in Fukuoka's mind, is an observer, not an intervener, of the natural order in his/her particular landscape. How is that any different than Hayek in regards to Economics?
That's the only play Neo-cons have left.
They can not argue facts, because both Republicans and Democrats are still for the war that is SOLELY based on LIES.
No matter what articles come out trying to shake the minds of Tea Party supporters, we will not be fooled.
The honest Tea Party movement will not be stolen, because we check who RON PAUL supports, as he is the one that has worked over 30 years on the issues at hand, and HIS VOTING RECORD FOLLOWS SUIT.
All politicians have a voting record, and most people an ability to access government voting records to check the Facts of each wanna be Tea Party Representative.
If they don't walk the walk, and ONLY talk the talk,
supporters of the movement will not be suckered at all...lol.
On the contrary, TEA PARTY Activist's will -EXPLOIT- -the NAMES and DISTRICTS- of the (Fake Tea Party goers/NEOCON-Dems/Repubs), all over the internet BEFORE THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT HIT THEM!!!
We are the minute men, and we are the watchmen.
We ring the bell and warn the people when their liberty is being threatened.
We know history repeats itself.
Our eyes are sharp like the eagles, we see from great distances the predators and the prey.
End Crony Capatalism, Restore the Republic, Restore freedom in the market place, Free our Currency/ commodity/ resource backed Dollar/certificates.
For the past several decades only 1% of America has experienced capitalism, BECAUSE we DONT HAVE CAPITALISM, we have GOVERNMENT DICTATED CAPITALISM.
Free our family private businesses, restaurants, mom and pop stores.
No one alive today has seen True Capitalism in which all can participate.
But this is what TRUE BLUE TEA PARTY SUPPORTERS ARE FIGHTING FOR!!!
Long live the Republic, and may it quickly be Restored to its Rightful Natural Beauty.
"No matter what articles come out trying to shake the minds of Tea Party supporters, we will not be fooled."
Uhh, yea, most Tea Party supporters will be fooled. People have very short term memories, that's why we always vote out one criminal and replace him with another one, cycle after cycle.
Now that the MSM and the Republic-cons have taken over the tea party they are trying to throw Ron Paul under the Tea Party bus, that is what we are seeing.
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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
After all this time, work and effort. You still seem to not see the exposure the movement is getting.
You want Ron Paul in office?
Well look where he is today?
Has any of his votes changed?
Has any of his principles changed?
He can not Force anyone else free choice to change, as
a Neo con CANNOT Change His Choice or principle.
4 years to get good representation in the door, and people start "back on the old wagon" of Apathy???
How can anyone be so spoiled?
Like a bunches of kids???
Patience People Patience- It is a Virtue.
Submitted by Liberty_Belle on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 13:06.
was an EVENT of the Ron Paul Revolution Campaign. The subsequent Tea Party groups were certainly inspired by that event but as far as I know there is not a 'Ron Paul Tea Party group'.
The National Tea Party event is just ONE tea party group..one of the ones that is neocon GOP co-opted. There are other tea party groups that are made up of Libertarian, Independents, Constitution Party, Traditional Republicans and some Disillusioned Dems.
I think The National Tea Party/Palin following neocon faction alienates most of the other Liberty movement. So the only faction that is hi-jacked is the hard core GOP, neocon faux tea partiers that would probably never change thier views anyway!
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
It is sickening to see this kind of thing happen; to see your hopes and dreams chipped away, but it's actually good news!
Being on the outside, as we are, we can never be sure just how solid our movement is. This complex, high-level charade is evidence they are worried.
The pitch-fork crowd grows stronger every day; a very dangerous situation for those in power. (They know what happens when the masses find out what they've been up to!)
Take heart, and be vigilant. This is not the only arrow in their quiver, and it's certainly not the sharpest!
Submitted by Habit4ming on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 11:51.
what Rachel said: "...He's (Ron Paul) now getting challenged by the SUPPOSEDLY Libertarian-leaning conservatives that his Presidential candidacy inspired..."
That's correct, imo--Ron Paul is a REAL Libertarian-leaning conservative; those challenging him are PHONIES, and should be outed as such!
That guy was very annoying, imo. He spouted half-truths...like Ron Paul wanting to abolish Social Security. Here's a few links about Ron Paul's REAL STANCE on Social Security:
Submitted by Greg Butko on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 11:24.
It's the mainstream media who are telling us that Sarah Palin is the head of the Tea Parties. Palin has been anointed by the Republican Establishment and mainstream media, as an attempt to take over the Tea Parties.
Keep pushing END THE FED, Get US out of the United Nations, Bring the troops home and stay out of other nations affairs, End the Patriot Act and restore our civil rights. The NeoCons will scatter.
We are never going to return to Constitutional government by following people who support Rick Perry in Texas, and help McCain campaign for re-election.
Submitted by MikeLawson on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 10:57.
Right guys? Whoever thinks Ron Paul's ideas are getting out there effecting change through the "tea parties" is dead-ass wrong. What level of moron does one need to be to not see right this bs? SARAH PALIN is a bigger tool than Glenn Beck could ever dream of being. Rand should have told her to kiss a butt and talk a walk.
I'm the "Patrick" who didn't need the attention back then, and still do not. Since then, I got married, moved, had a baby, and life moves on. But I've watched the movement closely and can't help the sinking feeling it has been highjacked. Palin = McCain = Bush = Obama. What to do?
Submitted by AntiFed1791 on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 10:38.
Now I'm going to be lumped in with all the Warmongering idiots I've been fighting for 8 years? Everything We've fought for the last couple of years is for nothing because now we're all one big happy family under the "Tea Party" banner?
NO! HELL NO! I'm fighting mad now and I'd rather see the Tea Party destroyed than have it hijacked.
I've argued with the zombie, Red State Republicans till I'm blue in the face. If they don't get it now, they never will. To hell with them!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Submitted by atlasdaddy on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 10:18.
It has been said that, "The best way to destroy a movement is to try and control it". Look at what is going on. It would seem that the powers that be have made a move into our little sandbox and are now trying to control it and thus destroy it. But wait, "How could this have happened?" you ask? I have said it before and I will say it forever more.....FOX NEWS IS NOT OUR FRIEND! Sarah Palin is not my friend. I am glad she backs Rand Paul but only for the publicity of it. Fox news and the likes of Glenn Beck have been pushing people like (Palin) as being one of us. We all know that's not the case. She is well in line with main stream Republican ideas. The Republican Party and its lap dog FOX, is trying to end us by throwing Palin in-front of the masses and saying things like, "Sarah Palin is turning out to be the leader of the Tea Party Movement"! What has she done to deserve that?! Just because they say it is so, don't make it so. Just sayin.
And its clear they are trying to put the GOP brand on the tea party movement. I watched closely the C-Span video of Sarahs speach. She did not have a 100% of the listeners, many refused to applaud. In looking at the body lnaguage and eye contact of many, they did not agree with all her points. They were cival and did not heckel her but to think they were all in agreement is wishfull thinking on the GOPs side. Its going to take alot more horsepower than Palin has to herd this group of mavericks.
politics.....politics......but I have to say even though Rachael Maddow is on MSNBC; she has shown respect to Ron Paul whenever he was on her show. She may differ on certain points of view but I suspect that she respects his consistant (not political base) message for restoring constituional government.
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI
Submitted by spacehabitats on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 09:50.
The original Tea Party was an idea, an event. It worked for what it was intended. The Tea Party BRAND was hijacked by the Neocon wing of the Republicrat establishment. They turned it into an AstroTurf "movement" to deflect populist anger and energy away from true reform.
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Submitted by drolsinatas on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 05:45.
We're living in a sad world. Pelosi should have gotten fired. Sarah Palin is a joke no one takes seriously. News headlines are designed to stimulate the same part of the brain rock and rap music are meant to. It's basically grab your attention and instigate stupidity. Ratings and money. No one's speaking to the american public like adults, because if you do, you might risk losing them as viewers, as well as your job.
How Un-Original, how typically GOP! Is plan from that the "Turd Blossom's" Karl Rove's playbook I wonder.
It may work to our advantage that MSM thinks they have succeeded in promoting "phony Palin" as the "leader" of the Tea Party for the time being while the "TRUE RON PAUL PATRIOTS" work and promote the Honest Liberty Candidates! I was upset when I read here about Palin's support of Rand Paul, but after reading further, maybe he's just turning the tables on her and riding on her name recognition, working their own system and using it to his advantage, he has to be very careful it doesn't backfire and get us
ed against him in future.
When the True RP endorsed Liberty candidates rise inn polls and get elected in Nov. 2010 there will be a SHOCK WAVE thru Both phony parties; they think they know now that WE THE PEOPLE can and will be easily pacified~ but I really believe that they have NO IDEA the scope of mistrust of our "elected reps." with voters today. They will say, "now where did that support come from, he/she is not one of the "establishment's chosen ones"! How many of their "chosen" will be FLATLY REJECTED by the voters as they did in Mass. last week, neither party will admit the truth, to their own peril!
There will undoubtedly be the willfully ignorant partisian voters, but even they will have been negatively affected personnally by their "experts" failed policies; look how many voters now REGRET voting for "Mr. Hope and Change"!
Sometimes if you give dishonest people enough rope, they will hang themselves (metaphorically) because they can't keep track of all the lies they've told and to whom. Palin and Glenn Beck are perfect examples for us to witness their very public implosession.
Meanwhile, the good Doctor Paul and Son will be busy along with the True Grassroots in educating the young college kids who will in turn try to enlighten their families and friends!
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"If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
-Samuel Adams-
Submitted by rlcmcallen on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 03:01.
The tea party movement is not majority libertarian. It is conservative/populist. It would never be as prominent today as it is if it had not attracted so many anti-Obama Republicans.
It took the radical legislative program of the Obama administration and the majority Democrat Congress to bring in the numbers from the conservative religious right and neo-conservative mainline Republican ranks to swell the teaparty numbers.
That also explains why Ron Paul is not that cozy with the movement as it currently stands.
On the other hand, it is also true that some of those who wrote off Ron Paul as extreme in '08 may now be willing to listen to him given Obama as the alternative. This is especially true as Ron has gained a hearing for his economic views during the current recession.
Make no mistake, if it looks like things are improving economically and if the Obama medical legislation and cap and trade get set aside for now, the teapartyers will go back to supporting big-government Republicans in hopes of regaining the House and Senate. They do not understand the principles of liberty.
You are much better served to ally yourselves with liberty oriented Republicans and fight the battle with us within the Republican Party, where you have at least a substantial minority who will listen to you. Remember that Party decisions are made by a few people. Get yourself on the Executive Committee, and you get to help make decisions for all the voters in your county as far as Party matters are concerned. In Texas the Executive Committee consists of Precinct Chairs and the Party Chairman. It may work a little differently in other states, but the principle is the same. The few who are active run the show. Be active.
great points but no sale for me on the republican bit
history since WW I has shown itself clear enough for me that I am not going to be on one side of the paradigm, Democratic nor Republican
I will be like Jefferson and other founding fathers... part of both and more.
This is especially true since I personally believe we need to "wipe the slate clean" so to speak. I won't be tied down by left/right or Repub/Demo regardless what the powers that be think, want or say
Submitted by rlcmcallen on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 03:28.
The next officeholder will be a member of one or the other of the two major parties.
The only hope we have is to steer one of those parties in the direction of liberty.
The Republican party is moving that way, whether you see it or not. Since the forces of liberty are not yet in control in most places, the view from the outside may not be that promising, but I tell you we are moving that way, at least in Texas.
The liberty candidates who have a chance of winning are all running in the Republican primaries. If you don't help them, you are helping our enemies. It is as simple as that.
I am not asking for you to support just any Republican because of the R beside his/her name. I am asking you to jump in and support those who stand for liberty, who, if you are honest, are running in the Republican primaries.
You cannot help Debra Medina, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, or any of scores of others like them if you maintain your present position.
I do support liberty candidates. What makes you think I do not?
Let me show you where you and I seperate.
Right here: "The next officeholder will be a member of one or the other of the major two parties"
This line of logic unfortunately has you sold out and failing before you even start. Just because I support Ron Paul and Medina you will not brand me with an (R) sorry no sale
Submitted by BAZZA MAC on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 02:58.
The real tea party is alive and well,Jim Traficant is holding a tea party and other concerned constitutionalists rally in Washington dc febuary13th to discuss the viability of a third party.ron and jim have very similar policies.catch jims podcast on radio WTAM 1100.IS Ron paul really for amnesty for illegal immigrants,jim is not.He dont play safe and pulls no punches.
did Traficant ever make up his mind on abolishing the FED? I remember him being honest and saying he wasn't quite sure on that one yet and he would have to get back to it. That to me was one answer I really liked and will absolutely love if he makes up his mind on the right side
This is freaking me out, but
This is freaking me out, but I am getting a woman crush on her for being so good to RP. I can't believe I just said that.
What Ron Paul Must Do
Is to state without reservations that he is a libertarian and has always been a libertarian.
Sheldon Waxman
sheldonw72@gmail.com
www.independentcontractor.info
why would he do that?
why would he do that?
I have some hope that the corporate
media saying endlessly that the NeoCons have hijacked the tea party "movement" is just more lies. Are the bulk of the angry, awakening citizens really being duped right back into the sheepfold so easily? Time will tell, but Medina's contest is challenging that view.
So I'm hoping the discouraging news is more force-fed disinformation, the personification of which is the vile Palin puppet.
Ron Paul Inspired Tea Party , is About Government Stealing.
Stealing from the working classes through taxation, and stealing through big bank bailouts !
And Palin is just another neo-con war monger !
Why don't they mention that?
beesting
From George Vreeland Hill
A Tea Party is about speaking the truth.
If Ron Paul is excluded, then it is no Tea Party.
Ron Paul speaks the truth.
George Vreeland Hill
GEORGE VREELAND HILL
Don't forget who Maddow works for either.
She doesn't want to do anything constructive or she would be reporting on the large number of Tea Partiers who are NOT NeoConned.
Sure, Sara Palin is a tool.
She's proved that recently. But as I've said before, I am not concerned about her leading US astray.
Quick show of hands,...
How many of you DailyPaulers are ready to sign on to endless wars and unlimited "defense" spending because good ole Sara says so?
Anybody?...
Anybody?...
No, the people we need to worry about are the conservative (NOT NEO-conservative) Republicans who might listen to this horse manure. (I doubt if any of the other Tea Partiers would give her the time of day.)
These are the people we should be educating at the CPAC, grassroots Tea Party events, at our county GOP committees and Republican Women groups.
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An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
Natural Law and Natural Rights
http://jim.com/rights.html
RP on Maddow tonight..
RP on Maddow tonight.. 9pm
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/124572
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." -RP
It's not just the tea parties either.
Not only have these neocon Palinites hi-jacked the Tea Party movement, but I notice more and more they are referring to themselves as "libertarians"! First it was Glenn Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh calling themselves "libertarian", now it is every Joe the plumber out there who thinks they are as well. Worst of all, people who have been lifelong libertarians are being called "leftist" and other nonsense! Remember when we were saying we needed to take-over the GOP from the neocons? What happened? It appears they have just re-labeling themselves, and marketed it to associate themselves with "liberty" which they know nothing about!
"Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies."
We are witnessing socialism from the margin
We sit at the fringe overlooking a bunch of actors pretending to be us while stealing our audience as well as our reputations.
The role of a farmer, in Fukuoka's mind, is an observer, not an intervener, of the natural order in his/her particular landscape. How is that any different than Hayek in regards to Economics?
How nice...
that Rachel is making the difference between the Tea Partiers and the Ron Paul people so crystal clear! I LOVE it.
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk-4Vdp9_x0&feature=related
Yes
It would be nice if the Ron Paul people were as clear about the distinction.
Tea Party is not throwing movements leader out.
That's the only play Neo-cons have left.
They can not argue facts, because both Republicans and Democrats are still for the war that is SOLELY based on LIES.
No matter what articles come out trying to shake the minds of Tea Party supporters, we will not be fooled.
The honest Tea Party movement will not be stolen, because we check who RON PAUL supports, as he is the one that has worked over 30 years on the issues at hand, and HIS VOTING RECORD FOLLOWS SUIT.
All politicians have a voting record, and most people an ability to access government voting records to check the Facts of each wanna be Tea Party Representative.
If they don't walk the walk, and ONLY talk the talk,
supporters of the movement will not be suckered at all...lol.
On the contrary, TEA PARTY Activist's will -EXPLOIT- -the NAMES and DISTRICTS- of the (Fake Tea Party goers/NEOCON-Dems/Repubs), all over the internet BEFORE THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT HIT THEM!!!
We are the minute men, and we are the watchmen.
We ring the bell and warn the people when their liberty is being threatened.
We know history repeats itself.
Our eyes are sharp like the eagles, we see from great distances the predators and the prey.
End Crony Capatalism, Restore the Republic, Restore freedom in the market place, Free our Currency/ commodity/ resource backed Dollar/certificates.
For the past several decades only 1% of America has experienced capitalism, BECAUSE we DONT HAVE CAPITALISM, we have GOVERNMENT DICTATED CAPITALISM.
Free our family private businesses, restaurants, mom and pop stores.
No one alive today has seen True Capitalism in which all can participate.
But this is what TRUE BLUE TEA PARTY SUPPORTERS ARE FIGHTING FOR!!!
Long live the Republic, and may it quickly be Restored to its Rightful Natural Beauty.
LIBERTY OR DEATH!!!
yea we will
"No matter what articles come out trying to shake the minds of Tea Party supporters, we will not be fooled."
Uhh, yea, most Tea Party supporters will be fooled. People have very short term memories, that's why we always vote out one criminal and replace him with another one, cycle after cycle.
Paul/Napolitano 2012, make it happen!
My take: Ron Paul "left" the Tea Party?
Was he ever really part of it?
Now that the MSM and the Republic-cons have taken over the tea party they are trying to throw Ron Paul under the Tea Party bus, that is what we are seeing.
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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
- Robert E. Lee, 1866
Ron paul left nothing, Are you still Swayed by media???
After all this time, work and effort. You still seem to not see the exposure the movement is getting.
You want Ron Paul in office?
Well look where he is today?
Has any of his votes changed?
Has any of his principles changed?
He can not Force anyone else free choice to change, as
a Neo con CANNOT Change His Choice or principle.
4 years to get good representation in the door, and people start "back on the old wagon" of Apathy???
How can anyone be so spoiled?
Like a bunches of kids???
Patience People Patience- It is a Virtue.
LIBERTY OR DEATH!!!
The Ron Paul Boston Tea Party
was an EVENT of the Ron Paul Revolution Campaign. The subsequent Tea Party groups were certainly inspired by that event but as far as I know there is not a 'Ron Paul Tea Party group'.
The National Tea Party event is just ONE tea party group..one of the ones that is neocon GOP co-opted. There are other tea party groups that are made up of Libertarian, Independents, Constitution Party, Traditional Republicans and some Disillusioned Dems.
I think The National Tea Party/Palin following neocon faction alienates most of the other Liberty movement. So the only faction that is hi-jacked is the hard core GOP, neocon faux tea partiers that would probably never change thier views anyway!
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Well said.
Well said.
The Revolution Continues...We Will Not Be Tea-O-Conned!!
The Revolution Continues...We Will Not Be Tea-O-Conned!!
http://dailypaul.com/node/124739#comment-1337477
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Take Heart My Friends!
It is sickening to see this kind of thing happen; to see your hopes and dreams chipped away, but it's actually good news!
Being on the outside, as we are, we can never be sure just how solid our movement is. This complex, high-level charade is evidence they are worried.
The pitch-fork crowd grows stronger every day; a very dangerous situation for those in power. (They know what happens when the masses find out what they've been up to!)
Take heart, and be vigilant. This is not the only arrow in their quiver, and it's certainly not the sharpest!
I'm not a fan of Maddow, but
I'm not a fan of Maddow, but she was spot on with this segment.
I liked
what Rachel said: "...He's (Ron Paul) now getting challenged by the SUPPOSEDLY Libertarian-leaning conservatives that his Presidential candidacy inspired..."
That's correct, imo--Ron Paul is a REAL Libertarian-leaning conservative; those challenging him are PHONIES, and should be outed as such!
That guy was very annoying, imo. He spouted half-truths...like Ron Paul wanting to abolish Social Security. Here's a few links about Ron Paul's REAL STANCE on Social Security:
http://ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm#Social_Security
http://www.issues2000.org/Tx/Ron_Paul_Social_Security.htm
WTP Federal Lawsuit to BAN ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11...
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http://www.enduswars.org/
http://peaceoftheaction.org/
If Ron Paul "leans" any further, he'll fall over
.
I prefer, "Champion of the Constitution."
That describes him better, and he used it himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA
Maddow: "And now on the show we are joined by the Champion of the Constitution, Congressman Ron Paul."
:)
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
"Freedom brings people together." - Ron Paul
The Puppet Master of Maddow and Republicans is the same.
They play both Democrats and Republicans against each other and control the outcome.
Instead, we all need to unite under the law. Why are you not upholding the law Maddow and exposing those that violate it?
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
"Freedom brings people together." - Ron Paul
It's the mainstream media who
It's the mainstream media who are telling us that Sarah Palin is the head of the Tea Parties. Palin has been anointed by the Republican Establishment and mainstream media, as an attempt to take over the Tea Parties.
Keep pushing END THE FED, Get US out of the United Nations, Bring the troops home and stay out of other nations affairs, End the Patriot Act and restore our civil rights. The NeoCons will scatter.
We are never going to return to Constitutional government by following people who support Rick Perry in Texas, and help McCain campaign for re-election.
But Sarah Palin is great and everybody loves her
Right guys? Whoever thinks Ron Paul's ideas are getting out there effecting change through the "tea parties" is dead-ass wrong. What level of moron does one need to be to not see right this bs? SARAH PALIN is a bigger tool than Glenn Beck could ever dream of being. Rand should have told her to kiss a butt and talk a walk.
Tea parties start to look like MoveOn deja vu
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/124539
Misty eyed indeed!
I'm a regular reader of DP, but never posted before. But I think this topic is huge and I feel sick thinking that our movement has been highjacked!
Also, at 2:20, Weigel mentions a Tea Party he went to in Georgetown in 2007, here is the article he wrote about it...
http://reason.com/blog/2007/12/17/tea-party-07-the-view-from-dc
I'm the "Patrick" who didn't need the attention back then, and still do not. Since then, I got married, moved, had a baby, and life moves on. But I've watched the movement closely and can't help the sinking feeling it has been highjacked. Palin = McCain = Bush = Obama. What to do?
Cheers, Patrick
Oh no...there's a new brand of Tea
and it's got some Kool-Aid in it! :)
bump
Thank you Steve for posting this.
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Jake Towne✌Stop The War✌Money Bomb March 29
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/128960
Now I'm going to be lumped in
Now I'm going to be lumped in with all the Warmongering idiots I've been fighting for 8 years? Everything We've fought for the last couple of years is for nothing because now we're all one big happy family under the "Tea Party" banner?
NO! HELL NO! I'm fighting mad now and I'd rather see the Tea Party destroyed than have it hijacked.
I've argued with the zombie, Red State Republicans till I'm blue in the face. If they don't get it now, they never will. To hell with them!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Don't you ever forget.
It has been said that, "The best way to destroy a movement is to try and control it". Look at what is going on. It would seem that the powers that be have made a move into our little sandbox and are now trying to control it and thus destroy it. But wait, "How could this have happened?" you ask? I have said it before and I will say it forever more.....FOX NEWS IS NOT OUR FRIEND! Sarah Palin is not my friend. I am glad she backs Rand Paul but only for the publicity of it. Fox news and the likes of Glenn Beck have been pushing people like (Palin) as being one of us. We all know that's not the case. She is well in line with main stream Republican ideas. The Republican Party and its lap dog FOX, is trying to end us by throwing Palin in-front of the masses and saying things like, "Sarah Palin is turning out to be the leader of the Tea Party Movement"! What has she done to deserve that?! Just because they say it is so, don't make it so. Just sayin.
They can try,
And its clear they are trying to put the GOP brand on the tea party movement. I watched closely the C-Span video of Sarahs speach. She did not have a 100% of the listeners, many refused to applaud. In looking at the body lnaguage and eye contact of many, they did not agree with all her points. They were cival and did not heckel her but to think they were all in agreement is wishfull thinking on the GOPs side. Its going to take alot more horsepower than Palin has to herd this group of mavericks.
So NOW the left is trying to gain ground again....politics....
politics.....politics......but I have to say even though Rachael Maddow is on MSNBC; she has shown respect to Ron Paul whenever he was on her show. She may differ on certain points of view but I suspect that she respects his consistant (not political base) message for restoring constituional government.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI
What "Tea Party" movement?
The original Tea Party was an idea, an event. It worked for what it was intended. The Tea Party BRAND was hijacked by the Neocon wing of the Republicrat establishment. They turned it into an AstroTurf "movement" to deflect populist anger and energy away from true reform.
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An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
Natural Law and Natural Rights
http://jim.com/rights.html
THIS PROVES THAT THE 'TEA PARTY" HAS BEEN HIJACKED.
The bastard war-mongering republicans were so scared of this that they infiltrated and took it over.
"Et Tu Brutus?" as poor Dr. Paul lies bleeding on the Senate steps after being stabbed by his own movement.
Let me be the first to say that the republicans are GOING DOWN AGAIN for doing this.
By God I'll vote for Obama before I vote for any war-mongering NEO-CON candidate.
Pawnstorm
Exactly
It's about leading/controlling descent. "David Wiegel" independent my ass!
He's from the Washington Independent publication
He's not an "independent". ;)
msnbc, fox, cnn, mtv, it's all the same
We're living in a sad world. Pelosi should have gotten fired. Sarah Palin is a joke no one takes seriously. News headlines are designed to stimulate the same part of the brain rock and rap music are meant to. It's basically grab your attention and instigate stupidity. Ratings and money. No one's speaking to the american public like adults, because if you do, you might risk losing them as viewers, as well as your job.
GOP Mind control - Keep Repeating Same LIES!
How Un-Original, how typically GOP! Is plan from that the "Turd Blossom's" Karl Rove's playbook I wonder.
It may work to our advantage that MSM thinks they have succeeded in promoting "phony Palin" as the "leader" of the Tea Party for the time being while the "TRUE RON PAUL PATRIOTS" work and promote the Honest Liberty Candidates! I was upset when I read here about Palin's support of Rand Paul, but after reading further, maybe he's just turning the tables on her and riding on her name recognition, working their own system and using it to his advantage, he has to be very careful it doesn't backfire and get us
ed against him in future.
When the True RP endorsed Liberty candidates rise inn polls and get elected in Nov. 2010 there will be a SHOCK WAVE thru Both phony parties; they think they know now that WE THE PEOPLE can and will be easily pacified~ but I really believe that they have NO IDEA the scope of mistrust of our "elected reps." with voters today. They will say, "now where did that support come from, he/she is not one of the "establishment's chosen ones"! How many of their "chosen" will be FLATLY REJECTED by the voters as they did in Mass. last week, neither party will admit the truth, to their own peril!
There will undoubtedly be the willfully ignorant partisian voters, but even they will have been negatively affected personnally by their "experts" failed policies; look how many voters now REGRET voting for "Mr. Hope and Change"!
Sometimes if you give dishonest people enough rope, they will hang themselves (metaphorically) because they can't keep track of all the lies they've told and to whom. Palin and Glenn Beck are perfect examples for us to witness their very public implosession.
Meanwhile, the good Doctor Paul and Son will be busy along with the True Grassroots in educating the young college kids who will in turn try to enlighten their families and friends!
"If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
-Samuel Adams-
woot..
even the lefties love us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ
The Guy in the Video Nailed It.
The tea party movement is not majority libertarian. It is conservative/populist. It would never be as prominent today as it is if it had not attracted so many anti-Obama Republicans.
It took the radical legislative program of the Obama administration and the majority Democrat Congress to bring in the numbers from the conservative religious right and neo-conservative mainline Republican ranks to swell the teaparty numbers.
That also explains why Ron Paul is not that cozy with the movement as it currently stands.
On the other hand, it is also true that some of those who wrote off Ron Paul as extreme in '08 may now be willing to listen to him given Obama as the alternative. This is especially true as Ron has gained a hearing for his economic views during the current recession.
Make no mistake, if it looks like things are improving economically and if the Obama medical legislation and cap and trade get set aside for now, the teapartyers will go back to supporting big-government Republicans in hopes of regaining the House and Senate. They do not understand the principles of liberty.
You are much better served to ally yourselves with liberty oriented Republicans and fight the battle with us within the Republican Party, where you have at least a substantial minority who will listen to you. Remember that Party decisions are made by a few people. Get yourself on the Executive Committee, and you get to help make decisions for all the voters in your county as far as Party matters are concerned. In Texas the Executive Committee consists of Precinct Chairs and the Party Chairman. It may work a little differently in other states, but the principle is the same. The few who are active run the show. Be active.
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great points but no sale for me on the republican bit
history since WW I has shown itself clear enough for me that I am not going to be on one side of the paradigm, Democratic nor Republican
I will be like Jefferson and other founding fathers... part of both and more.
This is especially true since I personally believe we need to "wipe the slate clean" so to speak. I won't be tied down by left/right or Repub/Demo regardless what the powers that be think, want or say
You Don't Understand
The next officeholder will be a member of one or the other of the two major parties.
The only hope we have is to steer one of those parties in the direction of liberty.
The Republican party is moving that way, whether you see it or not. Since the forces of liberty are not yet in control in most places, the view from the outside may not be that promising, but I tell you we are moving that way, at least in Texas.
The liberty candidates who have a chance of winning are all running in the Republican primaries. If you don't help them, you are helping our enemies. It is as simple as that.
I am not asking for you to support just any Republican because of the R beside his/her name. I am asking you to jump in and support those who stand for liberty, who, if you are honest, are running in the Republican primaries.
You cannot help Debra Medina, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, or any of scores of others like them if you maintain your present position.
why do you think I'm here?
I do support liberty candidates. What makes you think I do not?
Let me show you where you and I seperate.
Right here:
"The next officeholder will be a member of one or the other of the major two parties"
This line of logic unfortunately has you sold out and failing before you even start. Just because I support Ron Paul and Medina you will not brand me with an (R) sorry no sale
Freedom
The real tea party is alive and well,Jim Traficant is holding a tea party and other concerned constitutionalists rally in Washington dc febuary13th to discuss the viability of a third party.ron and jim have very similar policies.catch jims podcast on radio WTAM 1100.IS Ron paul really for amnesty for illegal immigrants,jim is not.He dont play safe and pulls no punches.
BAZZA MAC
APOLOGY
Ron Paul is anti immigrant Amnesty.
BAZZA MAC
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did Traficant ever make up his mind on abolishing the FED? I remember him being honest and saying he wasn't quite sure on that one yet and he would have to get back to it. That to me was one answer I really liked and will absolutely love if he makes up his mind on the right side
YES
Jim traficant wants to abolish the fed bank and the mafia IRS.
BAZZA MAC