Mormons Rule! (Jackson, WY)

I welcome you brother. We all fight the same fight here. United we stand, divided we fall. Keep up the great work.

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We need to get some succinct videos, ebooks, pamphlets out that tell what we know and prove it. People think it is our imagination. They think the world could not possibly be taken over by elites who run it secretly. They don't know about NAU so they think it does not exist. (I can't believe anyone does not know about it now.) We need someone like Alan Stang or even Alex Jones, or some generally good speaker who doesn't even have a known name to tell the story with the proof and keep it as short as possible to tell it all. Instead of bits and pieces and speculation-proof. We need proof. Can we see the document signed by Rick Perry in 2005 at Baylor? Surely it is available. The document that allows the Canadian Army to come into the US. The documents that serialize bullets, keep guns from certain people, remove other rights. You get the point. Can we prove Chemtrails? We certainly can prove some of what Monsanto has done. Can we give damning quotes of their intentions. I know we can document their meetings. We could provide the facts and then follow it with speculations that we cannot prove. Set it out in black and white and very elementary and keep it as short as possible. It is a piece of work that needs to be done. JFK spoke to it, but it sounded like "someday" something bad will happen. Reagan spoke to it and it sounded the same way and "if you don't change your direction" we will be worse off. Too general. Politicians try to warn us, but they are not specific in order to keep their jobs or lives. Alex Jones warns us all over the place and is very specific, but it is piecemeal and some people have sort of set him aside a bit as being too far out.

We could almost pull this together just by documenting what has been presented on this site. People need to know exactly what they are voting for. We need to make the politicians say it like it really is. They are keeping the facts hidden. All of them are, except Dr. Paul. Let the people vote for what is really going on.

is that the Ron Paul message of small government, a return to the Constituition, self-reliance, family, and peaceful coexistence seems to be custom made for Mormons, yet when it came down to the vote they went with a guy who shared none of their political beliefs simply because he wa a member of their religion. My own sister, who agree with me on all the points I discussed with her about Ron Paul, voted for Mitt Romney. I couldn't believe it.

The votes of Utah has been my biggest disappointment in this election, I was there on vacation, there were signs for RP in every small town we drove through, signs in peoples yards, yet 90% voted for a guy with no discernible principles and a liberal voting record. On the positive side, my sister, a Utah Mormon by the way, says she see more RP signs now than before the election and is becoming interested in joining the Revolution.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

I've worked side by side with a number of Mormons and found them to be extremely hard working people, and they are generally quite well educated. I spoke with them at length about their beliefs, and while I was not convinced to change my own beliefs in the process, I felt we all gained greater understanding.

As far as Mitt is concerned, if he were to display a record of concern for the Constitution and the real issues that concern our Republic more than his own political ambition, I might one day give him a second look.

I too, have been supporting Dr. Paul since this summer. Once I saw his history of service and sacrifie for basic American Fundementals, there was no question. I am actually ashamed to admit that there are people of my faith, using it, to promote themselves for political and monetary purpose. From pretty boy Mitt, the quitesential politician, to sleaze such as Harry Reid and Orin Hatch, these guys are part of the reason our Nation is in the mess it is. Actually Ron Paul represents my faith far more then these jokers ever lied about being.

Orrin Hatch in a speech before the Senate about our Irrational Fears:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
This was evidently in response to Dodd's threatened filibuster of the FISA act with immunity for the telecoms. A progressive blog site applauds Dodd for causing this "meltdown" by Hatch.
http://firedoglake.com/20...
There is little hope that Utah will support Ron Paul in the primaries. IMHO

I'm an active Latter-day Saint who lives in a small town in southern Utah that has a high concentration of Mormons. And I'm a Ron Paul supporter.

I have yard sign out front and bumper stickers on both my cars. I hand out Liberty Cards to businesses I buy from. I've put up signs at intersections in my neighborhood and along the main street in town. I've canvassed in my own town, including in the area where other members of my ward (congregation) live. I've sent Ron Paul emails to people in my ward with whom I have personal relationships.

And not once have I ever felt that my standing within the church or the community has been jeopardized.

I've found that other Mormons are quite open-minded and tolerant. The key is not to make a jerk out of yourself by being argumentative, bringing up Ron Paul in every discussion, and discussing politics in church meetings.

Yes, there are a lot of Mormons supporting Mitt Romney. (The last poll of Republicans taken in Utah showed him with 65% of the vote.)

I think this is unfortunate, because, if 9/11 had not happened, I think Ron Paul would be doing much better. Mormons support the Constitution -- its importance is underscored in our own scriptures:

Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.
And for this purpose have I [the Lord] established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.
(Doctrine & Covenants 101:79-80)

And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.
I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.
Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.
(Doctrine & Covenants 98:5-10)

Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the nations of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever.
(Doctrine & Covenants 109:54)

Unfortunately, Mormons also broadly support George W. Bush and the "global war on terror." Utah and Idaho (another state with a heavy concentration of Mormons) are the only two states where Bush's approval ratings are still above 50%.

Many Mormons see the "war on terror" as similar to stories in the Book of Mormon of the Gadianton robbers, a secret band of insurgents who tried to overthrow the Nephite government. What many Mormons miss, in my opinion, is that, at one point, the Gadiantons took power secretly within the Nephite government -- and this is more analogous to what's going on today.

Give Dr. Paul a fair hearing, and I think many Mormons would come around to his views (particularly with the concept of justified war as it is described in Doctrine & Covenants 98).

and I support Ron Paul. So does a lot of other members of the LDS church. I also agree that people are supporting Romney just because he is a Mormon and that they are not doing their research. I was one of these supporters until last June when I was talking to my father, he being a long time member of the John Birch Society, about it and he told me I should check out Ron Paul. So I went and hopped on my parents computer and watched the Ron Paul: A New Hope video and I was hooked, he had me at Hello as Glen Beck would say.
Now, what we have to do over here in the Western part of the US is not get mad at Mormons like me, because honestly we are very pro-Constitutional people and it does not take long to convince us that Ron Paul is the man we need in the White House, but we need to spread the word and spread it fast. Contrary to popular belief, us mormons are normal people. We are very patriotic as well. I live in Idaho and we have several meet up groups here. Our meetup group here also went to Jackson Hole in the beginning of December to canvas the city and gain some support.
This just shows us that we need to do more! If any body has any ideas please let me know. Thank you

I'm sure some of them will come around. No one can stay blind.

shepardh1, You may have made a common mistake. You made the following comment:

I am however, frustrated that we were beaten by a large number of uninformed and dispassionate “followers.”

We often assume that groups of individuals who respond when called are "uninformed and dispassionate." Be careful of that assumption. Although it may be true in some cases, it is often not.

I, for example, read carefully, listen to candidates when I can, listen to media and alternative media . . . and make my choices. I believe many, if not most, do the same. If, I were asked to go support someone I felt to be a viable candidate, I would probably do it.

As and LDS, I am currently supporting Mitt Romney. I have looked at Thompson, Huckabee, never Guiliani, and even a bit Tancredo. I have been turned off for some time because of my initial introduction to a Ron Paul supporter. Although he was peaceful, he was aggressively overbearing, and I simply decided to to write off Ron Paul.

However, I watched Paul in Glenn Beck CNN program on the December 18th and listened to his thoughts. I have to think carefully about his foreign policy, but for the first time, I heard his logic and rationale for his position. Now I'm thinking.

I haven't changed my mind . . . yet. But I'm on this site and others, learning more about his positions. As an earlier writer said. LDS are hard to convert . . . but once they do, they are generally pretty solid.

I tried to post a bunch of links relating to LDS support for Paul and it got flagged as potential spam that must be approved by the site administrator.

Until it is approved google Ron Paul LDS or Ron Paul Mormon

The results just might surprise you

Vote Paul 2008!

WY has a lot of mormons and a rather small population...therefore it would be very easy for something like this to happen there.....but it doesnt mean a thing

Mormons have an extremely high view of the constitution. I think a lot will eventually come around to Ron Paul the more they know about him, and the more they see that Ron Paul backs the constituion and Romney doesn't.

What is happening in the rest of Wyoming? Can anyone tell us?

If you do the right thing over and over again...the right thing happens.

What they did has blowback.

What you did is called "making your own breaks."

I promise you, if you hang in there in every way, you will get your break.

Yesterday Colorado threw out the voting machines. Miracles are all around us.

We are all behind you and cheer you for fighting the good fight. You are an example for all of us.

We want it more than they do so we play fair and we play heard. Victory will come. The Lord's hand is in everything, even caucus blowouts.

T

I am afraid to speak out to LDS folks as many have large businesses in my town. At least 2 of our RP supporters have been told in no uncertain terms that they are at risk of losing their long-standing contract / business relationship with LDS businesses if they showed up to vote at our caucus last week. Obviously, the politically correct answer is that we misunderstood and that the church encourages all citizens to support whomever they want and certainly don't use shunning as a tool...

As with ALL religions the well meaning practicing members of the everyday congregations often have no idea what the corrupt, evil and sick leaders are doing with all that money and power they have been given.

Let's look a bit further down the road....

What are the odds of Romney supporters backing Ron Paul when (inevitably) Romney is forced out of the race. He definitely has his supporters and will pick up delegates in early states but, let's be honest, his odds of securing the nomination are not entirely great (he trails badly in most Super Tuesday states). There seem to be a lot of Mormons on here who claim that support for Mitt is not entirely strong or principled and I certainly believe that Dr. Paul's message of freedom is one that Mormons would want to support. Any thoughts?

I apologize on hehalf of any member of my Church who offended you. What a shame; no reason for this at all. Each Sunday, and at activities during the week, my Church teaches that the Gospel of Jesus Christ should be lived through acts of kindness, charity, love and respect for the views of others -- and playing fair.

While many members of my Church are supporting Mitt; some are not. We are not because Ron Paul is more in line with the Constitution. Utah is one of the leading per capita donors to Ron's campaign. Ron will not win Utah (unless MItt drops out) but should come in second.

Again, I am sorry if anyone from my Church offended you, or did not play fair. This is not what we teach, nor how we are supposed to live.

Thank you for going out to the caucus.

I lived in Eastern Idaho for a few years as a non-mormon. Not fun.

This issue is extremely emotional and has to be treated with much care. "To God what is God's, to Ceasar what is Ceasar's". It is a shameful fact that many politicians try to appeal to people's religious believes to get their votes. We are not electing our religious leaders, we are electing politicians.

I proudly drive my Ron Paul bumper stickered SUV to my Mormon church every Sunday. You know what's funny? I don't see a single bumper sticker for Mitt Romney. I think the key word in your post was "dispassionate." If Mitt Romney were not a Mormon, he would not have any Mormon support. It's just like women blindly supporting Hillary or African Americans blindly supporting Obama.

Don't be afraid to engage Mormons in a conversation about Ron Paul. He really is the candidate that is most likely to reflect their true values and protect all people's religious freedoms. Talk about the constitution. It's the key.

All of my close Mormon associates know that I am supporting Ron Paul, because they hear about it every chance I get. I don't get laughed at or yelled at. In fact, most of them end up openly converting or at least promising to take a closer look.

What is heartening to me is that the Mormon faith does not extend too largely past Utah and its close surrounding area. What this also means is that Huckabee will use the same tactics, however, which will be very difficult to crush. However, this means that in areas like New Hampshire, we have a great chance. True to form, the bible belt will be incredibly difficult to sway, but with key victories in northern states, we still have a great shot.

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Man Thank you for standing up for the rest of us.
Lets hope things pick up for RP in WY