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Vijay is Heroic...
Posted December 20th, 2007 by cleburne61
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And I appreciate his enthusiasm in trying to get the next money bomb up and going so quickly. I think we need to take a serious time out here though, because this money bomb isn't starting out like the last ones.
Trevor talked it up on the forums, and asked for a general consensus on the proper day(and got one). To my knowledge, there doesn't seem to be a consensus or discussion on what day or what person/issue/event we should have as our rallying cry.
I question using MLK. Seriously. Yes, he said some good things about civil liberties(in speeches he plagiarized). On the whole though, he wanted to use government to improve the plight of minorities...in that sense, he is very akin to a more eloquent Al Sharpton. The methods he espoused, when seen without rose coloured glasses, are the methods(federal intervention) which we are opposed to. I do believe MLK would've been a part of the JENA six nonsense were he alive today, a mess which Dr. Paul astutely refuted. I admire Vijay incredibly, have donated to him, and honour his work even now. I think though we need to act with one mind in this, and emulate someone who doesn't have so much baggage we could philosophically do without.
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If MLK was white...
none of you would parse his views. You don't do that to Reagan, and he did some really bad things while President (Iran-Iraq War...overreaching drug laws and started the War on Drugs...ketchup is a vegetable??? He was especially hard on Central American countries' democratically elected governments.). You just consider him, above all else, a great American, and that's the sum of his life, and that's OK. No one is perfect. Maybe MLK's color is causing you obviously white supporters some discomfort but the fact is that he is a great American. Also, if you remember correctly, it took an American movement to get MLK a federal holiday. Black, White, and Brown came together and made that holiday happen. We wanted to show our appreciation as a NATION, and it is well deserved. I really think that you all need to step back a moment and consider that this is a fundraising day for RON PAUL, not you, and that MLK is considered by a large majority of AMERICANS to be a great man. Hell, they even teach about him in school. WHen our country came of age and fully integrated all members of our society, it was because of the efforts of MLK, not in spite of them. Isn't this movement supposed to be a coming of age moment? A moment when the people rise above the government, MSM, etc. Well, why don't you join it and stop being so selfish. I mean, if Vijay and Trevor didn't move us so far forward with their great, impactful ideas, would you have been able to? If so, then why didn't you? And, if you didn't, then just get in line with the rest of us. Sheesh!!!Some people just don't play well with others....
Divide and Conquer The Best Way To Divide Us
You said it. We wouldn't hear a peep. Everything would be about promoting Paul. It's funny how some people and minorities like myself can see the message and the higher ideal. This is becoming divisive because of people's limiting beliefs. They are sooo offended all of the sudden, quoting FBI who spied and harassed an American citizen etc. Not only that but I have supported Guy Fawkes day (the real story behind it I have researched) and of course our founding fathers who believed in liberty (but only for white men). Come on people! Fascism has come to this country because people cannot see past their own limiting beliefs. What I mean is...if people truly believed in the doctrines of Individual Liberty they wouldn't stand by and let the rights of American citizens get trampled upon (no matter the differences) but that is exactly what has happened. Therefore, everyone is crying because NOW no one is exempt.
I don't have a problem with people donating where they choose by why all the disparaging remarks? Whether or not King was a socialist or not he CHANGED this country for the better. While it may have not effected many of you positively I am able to post here as a result. Thank God Ron Paul understands this as he has cited the methodology of Martin Luther King repeatedly as inspiration.
The most effective form of control the government has used and continues to use is "Divide and Conquer". Many of you are falling right in line. Congratulations.
Whichever event motivates you to support Ron Paul's Campaign...
I have read most of the posts here, and my feelings are still unsettled about having the next Money Bomb Day be on January 21, the day we honor Dr. Martin Luther King. As someone who lived through the Civil Rights Movement as an adult and witnessed needless tragedies, I believe we should not impose our fundraiser on this special day, even though Dr. King's message coincides with Dr. Paul's message. But that's my feeling; your feeling may be different.
Pragmatically speaking, scheduling a money bomb for January 21 seems to be good timing; eight states will have started caucusing and/or completed their primary elections and conventions, and the Florida primary will follow shortly thereafter. Dr. Paul will have proven himself one way or the other by that time.
Since Vijay has already created a stellar website declaring the next Money Bomb Day to be January 21, I decided to investigate whether this date has other historical significance and discovered the following:
1/21/2008 will be the 21st anniversary of Nude Olympics (in 1986, 100 [insane, in my opinion] people participated in Nude Olympics race in 38°F [3ºC] weather.) This event has absolutely no connection to politics; it's simply a fun thought to visualize 100 folks running around in 38°F weather in the nude – it could at least provide comic relief during a stressful political primary season.
1/21/2008 will be the 10th anniversary of The Big Clinton Lie (in 1998, sitting U.S. President Bill Clinton denied reports of a workplace affair with former intern Monica Lewinsky and that he influenced her to lie about it.) One of the major reasons people did not elect Al Gore in 2000 is they wanted to move away from the tarnished image of the Clinton administration; this begat a Bush administration. So, in 2008, instead of running away from unacceptable behavior, why not run towards positive behavior based on the Constitution?
I want to honor Vijay's decision to hold the Money Bomb Fundraiser on January 21st; it's his website, his project, his passion. I still get chills up my spine when I recall, during the July 13, 2007 Ron Paul interview at Google Headquarters, Vijay standing before the microphone, declaring that he had flown from Seattle to hear Dr. Paul and to contribute to his campaign. And subsequently, to learn that he quit his job and moved to New Hampshire to help Ron Paul become president? Wow! What dedication! What patriotism!
We are all free-thinking individuals. Whichever event motivates you to support Ron Paul's Campaign, please join me in donating to Free At Last 2008 on January 21, 2008. Remember: It's the MESSAGE!
MLK $ bomb day our answer to Diebold voting machines
We're not anarchists I hope. There is a constitution which grants certain powers to the federal government. MLK didn't want the government to merely "improve the plight of minorities," as I understand it, he wanted the government to live up to it's duty to defend the constitution. As a reminder, here's Amendment 15:
Amendment 15 - Race No Bar to Vote. Ratified 2/3/1870. History
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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We have a right to vote, but who is counting the votes? Where is the paper trail? This MLK money bomb day works on SOOO many levels.
MLK $ bomb detractors and the FBI
You keep bringing up the FBI and MLK. Why is the FBI "good" when it suits your purpose, but "evil" when it spies on U.S. citizens (like Dr. King) and takes away our liberty dollars? I did a Google search on "Ron Paul FBI." Here's the first three titles:
FBI raids Liberty Dollar office-confiscates Ron Paul Dollars
FBI HARASSES RON PAUL BACKERS OVER LIBERTY DOLLARS (their all-caps, not mine)
Ron Paul Dollars: FBI Raid Latest Salvo ...
And just for fun, here's the fourth:
Ron Paul: The Pot Candidate (sub title includes: 1988 ron paul do away with fbi and cia) LOL!
So if you want to convince me that MLK was such a bad man, please refrain from FBI sources.
The market will decide whether this is a major (Nov. 5, Dec. 16) or mini (Rudy's reading list, New Year's Eve-they're just asking to get over $20M for the quarter) money bomb day.
I like the fact that MLK day is a government holiday and we want to give a lot of government employees a permanent work holiday - departments of energy, education, homeland security, etc. - by shrinking the size of the federal government.
I also listen to Dr. Paul speak and I've heard him mention Dr. King in a positive way. If you don't think he was quietly endorsing an MLK money bomb day with his answer on the Glenn Beck show earlier this week, I don't know what to tell you. I'll post his answer one more time,
"All I can do is address the subject of violence, I am committed to non violence, no initiation of aggression, these are my political viewpoints, I believe in political change coming about through the mode of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, through non-violence. I happen to believe that we should practice these principles both domestically against individuals as well as other countries, this is the reason I don't want to use aggression against other countries to bring about change. I don't ever want to initiate aggression, this is what is in our constitution and so I reject anybody who would use violence."
HE BELIEVES IN "POLITICAL CHANGE COMING ABOUT THROUGH THE MODE OF GANDHI AND MARTIN LUTHER KING!!!"
The grass roots picked the last two major money bombs. I say, we let Ron Paul pick the next one, and he basically did with that answer.
I can almost hear the $$$ bombs bursting in mid-air...
MLK money bomb will backfire
MLK money bomb will backfire and fracture the movement as you can see it already doing. 1776 was a uniting factor because it tied directly to Dr Paul and his championing the Constitution. OUR ROOTS. That some don't see this very obvious connection to the amount of money raised is perhaps indicative of how fragile this coalition just may be.
go away
i don't know what fragile coalition you are talking about, this revolution is strong
Go Away? Now that is a
Go Away? Now that is a mature response. How old are you?
Perhaps you've not seen this very huge thread. It shows anything but unity. Kind of like this one.
http://www.ronpaulforums....
Some people, for whatever
Some people, for whatever reason, are hoping it will backfire.
What about honoring Karl Marx?
From wikipedia:
The march... ...make specific demands: an end to racial segregation in public school; meaningful civil rights legislation, including a law prohibiting racial discrimination in employment; protection of civil rights workers from police brutality; a $2 minimum wage for all workers; and self-government for the District of Columbia, then governed by congressional committee.
King said that he did not seek a full restitution of wages lost to slavery, which he believed impossible, but proposed a government compensatory program of US$50 billion over ten years to all disadvantaged groups
Ron Paul is strongly against all the proposals in bold.
Ethical Issue in Using MLK for Fundraising
Hi everybody,
I appreciate all of the passion and intent behind using MLK for the next fundraising day, however raises a serious ethical question.
We should not appropriate the the name of Dr. King in order to achieve capital gains (either for us personally, or as a group). If we pursue this date, we leave ourselves open to criticism about our real intent.
The question will arise: Are we, as supporters, in this to capitalize for Dr. Paul or spread his message of peace, prosperity and limited government?
Remember that we all support Dr. Paul for his principled actions... You can guarantee that he would not invoke the name of Dr. King for financial gain.
Not to mention lawsuits..
The possibility of lawsuits is great as well, given that you cannot use the likeness of a famous person without their explicit permission. Guy Fawkes is one thing, it's a folk hero, but MLK family is still alive and well and looking for money.
Who will they sue? People
Who will they sue? People donating to Paul's campaign? MLK's estate doesn't own a date. If Vijay is worried he can rename it to Civil Rights day or something.
Agreed
You can't even mention or quote MLK in the copy for a MLK Day ad. Go figure. More protected than Elvis.
I agree.
I agree but if people do decide to donate on this day, I don't think it will be the end of the world. I propose a two day donation boom (Jan 19-20) January 20th, being Inauguration Day.
Then people can compete with one another, trying to beat each other on their respective days.
Markets and all that.
So it doesn't have much to do with Martin Luther King. That sucks, but a lot of people like the idea of paying tribute to a civil rights leader and it's hard to say no.
I think my proposal will soften the blow of what you're worried about and potentially make more money.
MLK might have had some
MLK might have had some problems....but then we did donate on Guy Fawkes Day...
C'mon guys...it's just an excuse to donate. Nothing more.
If the timing is right...do it!
Hiya
Ok, so I was not on board with the MLK thing but I talked to another supporter and I'm on board now.
But the reason I feel like some of us are hesitant has nothing to do with MLK not being an awesome human being or anything like that. It has to do with negative publicity and potential controversy.
Pundits might say are revolution is nothing compared to the Civil Rights marches, etc, etc, and by and large, they are correct. I mean, I haven't been attacked by dogs or hoses, you know what I mean? (don't tase me bro)
But, and this is a big but... What's wrong with controversy?
Guy Fawkes was controversial, and that ended up ok.
So now I'm on board. I wish there was a more "revolutionary" day in January, but MLK day will be just fine.
And if you don't want to donate on MLK day, that's fine too. But please donate. OH and somebody, listen to Wise Guy!
And keep the blimp up and running.
I'm just glad Trevor is not
I'm just glad Trevor is not doing it! I plan on dropping a grand just because of that!
www.signbomb08.com
Yeah, I'm going to max out
Yeah, I'm going to max out too. Not only are people really upset about this day but they are trying to dissuade others from donating. Why would we want other supporters efforts to fail? No matter what this is all going to Ron Paul.
Vijay has done so much for this campaign and I also thought it would be a great idea.
Inauguration Day - January 20
One year before the good doctor takes office we flood his campaign with cash.
GREAT IDEA!
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win". --Mahatma Gandhi
Great
Donate whenever! I think it makes sense to do the two day thing anyway. Jan 19-20 and if anyone wants to donate on other days, good too! Let's have a competition between the two days!
That way we can really get the market going!
Competition works
accidentally posted twice.
Anyway, two competing days! How about it?
Let the market decide
I will choose MLK day because despite whatever opinions one has of the historical King, the message and the movement is one of liberty and nonviolence.
It also communicates to the world that Ron Paul Revolution is not just an "angry white male" phenomenon.
MLK Money Bomb for Me!
MLK for $bomb is a terrible idea
and quite honestly I would not wish to participate. MLK was far worse than someone who just happened to have had a few socialist ideas and a plagarizer....just ask the FBI. I agree that were he alive today he would likley be waist deep in the Jena mess (and no doubt any other similar incident) and buddies with Sharpton, Jackson etc. He is not the type of figure that I would like to be associated with and I think that there are innumerable better choices that could be made.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win". --Mahatma Gandhi
too many cooks spoiling the pot
You all need to chill. MLK day is perfect. First of all, only history buffs and students studying US history even know who Thomas Paine is, or Woodrow WIlson for that matter. None of them has a federal holiday! MLK has name recognition and is teflon compared to anyone else you can think of. How many times do you think some commentator is going to criticize MLK's positions? I mean, really??? WHen I went to the website, it was the most inspired yet. That's the point, isn't it...inspiration. What else makes us poor Americans donate so much money to a "longshot" candidate? He inspires us, that's why. If you don't believe it, try getting someone to donate for cancer research, or AIDS, or poverty, or refugees in Darfur, or any other noble, worthy cause. People move when they are moved. Also, I like the juxtaposition between MLK and Ron Paul. Both great Americans. THat really elevates Ron to be put in the same league as MLK. The USA is a melting pot because of MLK's efforts, and Ron's supporters represent all segments of the America that MLK helped create. You just can't get any better than that...
How many people do you think knew who
G. Fawkes was before the Nov. 5th $bomb? If they don't know who T. Paine or W. Wilson is then let them learn. MLK is way to divisive and carries way to much baggage.Our social engineering educational system has cleaned up MLK's image but that doesn't change who and what he really was.
There are far better choices we could make than MLK.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win". --Mahatma Gandhi
You are spot on..
I think Vijay won't be able to do this because he is smart and will research the liablity of it. But aside from that, MLK would have been a very bad character to associate with.
Well said
I have not visited the site but I agree that MLK Jr. is untouchable to many people. He is a hero to many. He is mentioned in the same breath as Gandhi. This is a peaceful revolution and a change is gonna come.
If You Want To Put A Stop To This Heres The People To Contact
Inquiries regarding the use or reproduction of King's writings or statements should be directed to the manager of the Estate of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. :
Intellectual Properties Management
One Freedom Plaza
449 Auburn Avenue NE
Atlanta, GA 30312
Fax: 404-526-8969
e-mail: licensing@i-p-m.com
I believe a lot of the images are copyrighted too, have at it.
Keep your eye on the ball... I mean blimp.
All this talk of the next money bomb and the blimp is about to be grounded if we don't come up with another $100+K today.
MLK is a good day...
Perhaps, the entire weekend can be used. Also because MLK has been mentioned often by RP. And his non-violent movement is the same energy that we all need to accomplish our mission.
Lastly, the more money that is raised *sooner*, the better it is for the campaign with 21 states coming up for Feb 5th. Ad buying will be done by mid Jan, and the money is needed then.
Rich Sage
http://www.richsage.com
$-Bomb Milton Friedman Day Jan 16th?
Milton was a great leader in our circle and throughout the world!
Vijay Choked On This One
I won't give one thin dime on that day until you disassociate MLK (dishonorable,lacked ethics) with the honorable Ron Paul.
MLK couldn't even come up with "I Have A Dream" speech that was plagiarized too.
http://setanta.unl.edu/ml...
http://www.snopes.com/inb...
Shockingly Ignorant...
You might want to ask Dr Paul what his opinion of Dr King is before you spread your drivel.
Come on!!! You have got to be kidding... how does this help Dr Paul and our hope for the future. Who is going to attack him for linking up with a civil rights leader and a peaceful civil activist?!?
Accept perhaps a troll... shockingly ignorant. I am not disputing Dr King's departure from Dr Paul's values, but I cannot think that OUR GOOD DOCTOR would ever utter a negative word about Dr King.
Vijay e-mailed me back
He is set on MLK day. He feels that we shouldn't just welcome only people with our exact viewpoints, and that even though MLK did not agree with all of Dr. Paul's views, he is still a great man who preached non-violence and rights for all individuals. My only qualm was that there are people who inevitably won't donate, but I think Vijay is actually right. The money is going to Dr. Paul so its not like you have to endorse everything MLK said to donate, and I think in the end most people will sack up and donate anyway.
the reason I do not like MLK day
..i am in no way racist, i have many minority friends.
the reason i do not like MLK day is because the Fed was strongarmed into making it a federal holiday, which i believe is a misuse of our government and smacks against ron paul's views of the role of government.
if it were not a federal holiday, i may reconsider.
perhaps a date of protest for:
January 17, 1991 The U.S. launches Operation Desert Storm to drive Iraq out of Kuwait at the start of the Gulf War
sorry guys
I will not be able to participate on a day intended to glamorize a socialist....and will have a hard time explaining such a misjudement in action to my local citizens.
If you want to hurt RP's momentum, go right ahead.
WHAT IS WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!
"PIMPS want to donate to Paul? Hey that's fine."
"White Supremeists give him $500? Great return answer Dr Paul!!! Keep it and use it for good!"
"We have a fundraiser on Nov 5th? Well, sure it is a peaceful Money Bomb... not the real harmful kind of bomb... Dr Paul would never support that."
"Dr Paul and Dr KING?!?!?! SCANDALOUS!!! WHY, I NEVER!!!! YOU PEOPLE SUCK!!! I'M NOT HELPING ONE BIT!!!"
again... shockingly ignorant. Check out our purpose here,... it is to support Dr Paul's message, not create one of your's that does not fit the Good Doctor's.
Don't like it...
I love $ bombs... but not on MLK day. Perhaps it is a politically-wise thing to do, but beyond being a great orator... well...
I would prefer to gather around the memory of a great Capitaist or Individualist.
(Above sentences are valued at 1-cent each, so now you have my ________. )
FANTASTIC IDEA. HE WAS ONE MAN FIGHTING AGAINST THE MACHINE
That's all most people know or need to know.
He had COURAGEand he stood for FREEDOM!!!
And best of all, this will create a tidal wave of controversy the likes of which we have never seen- that is, tons and tons of free publicity. So the sooner people know about this, the better.
Hang onto your hats - this is going to be one wild ride.
Vijay is going to weather a major storm on this one!!!!!
Watch the video at http://www.freeatlast.com
IT'S AWESOME!!!
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See what I mean?
I post a different point of view and get attacked for it, "get a life".
The fact is, most of the people in my area believe MLK was a socialist and his name is being used in furthering discriminatory policies.
Regardless if you agree or disagree, this is a viewpoint many people have. Do you really want to alienate them?
The bottom line is that MLK and the things that have come about after him have created a devisive environment regardless if you like the man or not. We want to unite, not divide.
For the record, I think MLK
For the record, I think MLK is a GREAT day for the next bomb.
I see the point that MLK is used sometimes for socialist causes...but who cares!?
We bombed on Guy Fawkes day for crying out loud. He was a violent revolutionary and none of us were actively endorsing his cause when we bombed on that day.
MLK sent a message of freedom and equal treatment under the law above all of his other messages. He was one of the best anti-collectivists in our country's history. Dr. Paul has stated that MLK is one of his heroes.
We don't need to agree with everything MLK has said (and certainly not everything people have tried to hijack him for) to use his overal message in support of Dr. Paul.
The "free at last" MLK quote on the site is PERFECT!
I said this once before we
I said this once before we need to come up with our own day and name.
National Freedom Day
Ron Paul Day
Cured Apathy Day
It should also be done in Jan towards the end to make it big
Dr. Steve Parent
I'm with you on that...
...thank you for reminding me...had that thought a few days ago.
rEVOLution Day!
All for it
Combine the ideas of:
Guy Fawkes
The Founders
MLK
Super diverse cross section of freedom fighters. Reflects the revolution.
Vijay, you're bloody awesome. Get ahold of me and I'll send you some tasty coffee beans, or some tasty chile. It's the least I can do.
All for it
Combine the ideas of:
Guy Fawkes
The Founders
MLK
Super diverse cross section of freedom fighters. Reflects the revolution.
Vijay, you're bloody awesome. Get ahold of me and I'll send you some tasty coffee beans, or some tasty chile. It's the least I can do.
Get a life
Tackleberry said:
"MLK day has become a day associated with a radical left wing liberal agenda."
Are you living in a hole somewhere? MLK was a hero and this would be a great day to have a fundraiser.
Money bomb goes mainstream with MLK moneybomb
The other two dates have had not a great deal of significance to mainstream America. I mean, the teaparty one was a good idea but still MLK day is a much bigger deal. Isnt it a holiday? I think it would be a good idea.
MLK was a great and heroic man.
Ron Paul is a great and heroic man.
Both stood up for the ideas of non-violent protest.
They are trying hard to paint Ron as a racist.
Let's send a message here.
This is a good idea.