Urgent message from the Ohio Campaign
UPDATE:
I received the following message from the Ohio campaign. Some people have had difficulties understanding what it means, but I suggest you just check out ohio4ronpaul.com and get the details there.
Every state is different, but the way I understand it in Ohio, the candidate must have at-large delegates sign for him, and the at-large delegates (and all other delegates) must get other Republican voters from all over the state to sign for them. Hope this helps clarify.
This is critical, guys. Everyone from Ohio needs to work on this!!!
December 20, 2007
Get Ballot Signatures for Ron Paul
Ohio4RonPaul is your resource for all information pertaining to the petition drive to get Ron Paul on the ballot in Ohio. We need your help, and we need it now.
Our campaign needs as many people who can carry a petition to gather and record signatures before the clock runs out. We have until Thursday, Dec. 27, 2007 to get all of the required signatures for Ron Paul to get on the ballot in Ohio.
You'll find the following information on our Ohio ballot access website:
• Delegate overview
• Petition overview
• Downloadable petitons for all the congressional districts and at large delegates
• Our own Ohio guide instructing novice petitioners on the process
• The Countdown clock for Victory and much, much more
This site is brand new and we will be adding more daily!
Expect Success!
Maryanne Petranek
Ohio Ballot Access Coordinator
Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee
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http://www.nolanchart.com...
Don't worry guys...
...Think Positive. We can do this (and I'm in district 6 too, panicking just a little...)! We never thought anything else would happen (fundraising) but it did -- times millions.
Alternative Petitions - Crisis Mode
I'm from Athens Ohio and part of the meetup for district 6 and 18. We are on it. Ohio4RonPaul.com has still not posted the alternative delegate petition. We can not even get a single signature yet!
We are really freaking out down here! We have 2 districts to cover and no forms yet to be signed. Worse is we only have 3 people in our meetup that are Independent of republican affiliation.
We will be out in full force once all the form are uploaded to the webiste. We have been harassing the ohio4ronpaul.com people since last night and I wake up this morning and still no alternative petitions for district 6 and 18.
Geez wish us luck everyone
We simply do not have them yet
We are trying to get them up ASAP
IOWA EMERGENCY HELP GET THE WORD OUT
Taken from Worldwide Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Message Board:
The Iowa caucus is a closed primary! Closed to non-republicans.
The line to register republican WAS this MONDAY DECEMBER 24th! That is Christmas Eve and the county courthouses are CLOSED MONDAY. TODAY, FRIDAY December 21st is the real line!!! There is no time to do it by mail. Register to vote republican in person TODAY at your County Auditor's Office in IOWA.
The WHOLE NATION of Ron Paul supporters must reach out to Iowa by any and all means TODAY before this afternoon when the county auditor office closes!
Iowa is a closed primary state. You MUST be registered republican. Go IN PERSON during business hours to your county auditor's office. SPREAD NEWS OF THIS in Meetups, Youtube video comments, myspace & forums. Somebody forward this to the GENERAL!
Somebody tell the ronpaul 1100!
In Iowa you can change your party at the caucus!
You need to be registered by this date I believe,You can change your party at the caucus.
Ohio
We had our meetup here in Northwest Ohio, Thursday evening. Ohio has only ONE paid staff member, Doug Joseph. So you can only imagine what he is going through. Maryanne Petranek is the Cleveland meetup organizer, and the Ohio Ballot Access Coordinator. Please...if Maryanne says do it, then do it!
Some info regarding matching funds, see http://www.lewrockwell.co...
http://www.fec.gov/press/...
Thats what worries me
I notice RP is not listed for matching funds,that was my oringinal concern. Thanks zippy
Check out the new election
Check out the new election blog that also has ron paul stuff
www.wakeuplate.com
Allow me to clarify
This is Rick, creator of that bloody website and a volunteer losing sleep: Call me for ANY questions: 614-325-4655 or email us at Petition@ohio4ronpaul.com
This is not a waste of time as some of you have indicated. The "page 13 paragraph" is referring specifically to the RNC after the Delegates have qualified and won Ohio.
The signatures "already on the petitions" are the delegates and candidates that are representing Dr. Paul. Those pages are not to be altered in any way. The instructions are on the website and in that terrible video I just posted.
Bottom line: We need these signatures to ensure Ron Paul is a presidential candidate for Ohio both at the primaries and at the RNC. We have a week's time. Period.
Rick
Thank you,I have had people screaming at me all night as I defended this.Good luck from Westerville!
FEC
Are there any figures out there on the amount spent in Iowa or any other early states? According to FEC regs for eligibility for matching funds, there is a spending threshold in each state. If exceded that may cause a problem. As of right now the limit in Iowa is $1,486,433 New Hampshire is $817,800.A New York Times article stated $1.1 mil was spent on radio ads in NH. My question now would be,is he sill eligible if these amounts were already exceded? Could this be a problem.
nt
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ChuckNo
Applying for the funds is not the issue.If he qualifies for funds he would be able to get on the ballot without the petitions that are due in 6 days.HQ sent out e-mails for a mad scramble to get signatures.What I now wonder is his eligibility for those funds gone due to spending above the threshold in IA &NH
I think DanK is right
"I think they're separate things
On December 21st, 2007 DanK says:
I think the delegate petitions and being on the ballot are separate things. He could be on the ballot and win the state, but I think he can only send as many delegates to the national convention as were signed up through this process. I think. I may be completely wrong too, but that seems the most logical thing based on what I have read..."
I'm pretty sure what DanK said here is correct (at least from what I have gathered about this whole process).
If you look at the Ohio4ronpaul.com website
You will see that the forms listed there are the forms required/provided by the Ohio Secretary of State.
i'm getting signatures anyway
I'll a little confused too. But I'm getting signatures anyway because people more intune than I have requested that I do.
You mean to tell me
You mean to tell me the campaign has $18 million and can't get the signatures done for the ballot petition! Cut me a break! If this post is correct the ineptitude of Ron Paul's campaign staff is beyond enormous! Pathetic!
I think they're separate things
I think the delegate petitions and being on the ballot are separate things. He could be on the ballot and win the state, but I think he can only send as many delegates to the national convention as were signed up through this process. I think. I may be completely wrong too, but that seems the most logical thing based on what I have read...
Not true.
This is my last post. Don't waste your time until this is confirmed by NATIONAL HQ. Much rather have you canvassing for votes.
God bless and God speed.
Better safe than sorry.
I'd rather spend the time it would take the get the signatures (it shouldn't take that long with those numbers) and know we're all set than go canvassing instead and find out we got screwed over by a technicality and can't get the votes for the nomination...
The ballot coordinators are swamped trying to get things out!
I'm from Toledo, OH. The coordinators are swamped trying to get the petitions out. I'm not sure why this wasn't done earlier, but that doesn't really matter right now does it? Our Meetup is meeting Saturday morning to organize and get signatures. It is my understanding that there are 4 petitions that need to be signed in order to get the delegates needed to be on the ballot. One petition for the 3 delegates per congressional district. One petition for the alternate delegates per congressional district. Both of these need 50 to 150 signatures. Then there is one petition for the at large delegates and one petition for the at large alternate delegates. Both of these petitions need 1000 to 3000 signatures. The petitions are due to the state by Jan 4th. In order for the coordinators to sort / turn in the petitions the petition circulators need to mail in their petitions no later Dec 27th. Information is being updated as it becomes available on the Ohio4ronpaul.com If you're in ohio PLEASE read all the material on the web site before contacting them to ask questions that are already answered on the web pages. They are swamped with email, phone calls and mailing out petitions.
According to the Sec. of State sight
The delegates are hand picked by the campaign and need no petition signitures. Please use my link in prior post. It is all there. Why was this not explained earlier? Why did you specifically state this is for ballot access when you posted? What is going on here? This is rediculous.
I will gladly sit here for hours
To save thousands of hours of our volunteers' time.
PLEASE FLAG THIS POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE FLAG THIS POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go ahead
and contact RP Headquarters, they are the ones who sent out the urgent e-mail for the petitions at 1:52 this afternoon. Stop screaming at everyone and move to another thread if this bothers you.
I don't believe you pleae post it
I don't believe you pleae post it. I apologize ahead of time if I am wrong.
Still waiting on the post!!!!!
Still waiting on the post!!!!!
There,happy?
December 20, 2007
Get Ballot Signatures for Ron Paul
Ohio4RonPaul is your resource for all information pertaining to the petition drive to get Ron Paul on the ballot in Ohio. We need your help, and we need it now.
Our campaign needs as many people who can carry a petition to gather and record signatures before the clock runs out. We have until Thursday, Dec. 27, 2007 to get all of the required signatures for Ron Paul to get on the ballot in Ohio.
You'll find the following information on our Ohio ballot access website:
• Delegate overview
• Petition overview
• Downloadable petitons for all the congressional districts and at large delegates
• Our own Ohio guide instructing novice petitioners on the process
• The Countdown clock for Victory and much, much more
This site is brand new and we will be adding more daily!
Expect Success!
Maryanne Petranek
Ohio Ballot Access Coordinator
Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee
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I have just read it and someone has made an enormous mistake
I sincerely hope that you contact National RP HQ so that they can replace the people in charge of the campaign in OH. This whole thing is rediculous. OHIO will have RP on the ballot and the delegates will represent RP if he wins the district. I am very sorry for ruffling feathers, but you are wasting people's time and it needs to be clarified.
Clarification: We're not getting signatures for Ron Paul
...We're getting the signatures both for the at-large delegates, and for the district delegates. The way I understand it (admittedly not well), the at-large delegates must sign for Ron Paul, but many other Republican/Independent voters must give their signatures for the at-large delegates.
So, it's a sort of chain or pyramid of signatures, and each level or link is essential.
Re: "I have just read it and someone has made an enormous mistake
On December 21st, 2007 rhino says:
I sincerely hope that you contact National RP HQ so that they can replace the people in charge of the campaign in OH. This whole thing is rediculous. OHIO will have RP on the ballot and the delegates will represent RP if he wins the district. I am very sorry for ruffling feathers, but you are wasting people's time and it needs to be clarified."
This ENTIRE THREAD needs to be forwarded to the RP ....
NATIONAL HQ. If it is as important as we have been lead to believe, then there will be a prompt response. Otherwise we are wasting our time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can not emphasise this any more LOUDLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many signatures do we need?
From their website at http://www.ohio4ronpaul.c...
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How many signatures do we need?
At-large (Form 2-O): signatures of at least 1,000, but not more than 3,000, qualified electors (volunteers/signatures).
District (Form 2-Q): signatures of at least 50 (each), but not more than 150, qualified electors (volunteers/signatures).
SO: We need 50 in each District, and at least 1,000 overall. Now you understand why this is a time crunch. We must do this.
============================================
Wow. How on earth is Ron Paul going to raise 1000 signatures in a week in Ohio?
He could probably have a thousand blimps launched if he said he needed it.
But seriously, am I reading this correctly? That doesn't sound like many signatures and he may have qualified already as some have indicated. The documents themselves appear to be for delegates, not for ballot access. Many of the documents have scans of signatures and are not blank (why?).
-Jeff
JEBBA are you reading this !!!!!
This is a waste of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes i am reading this
and I am looking at the PDFs. It appears to be for more than just ballot access.
You saying it's a waste of time with fifty "!" doesn't convince me that it's a waste of time though. It does seem strange though. The email didn't even list a proper URL and some confirmation (like you suggest) from RPHQ would be nice. Perhaps Ohio is trolling. ;)
-Jeff
I am telling you that this is very fishy!!!!!
I am telling you that this is very fishy!!!!!
agreed
The PDFs aren't about ballot access, they are signatures for delegates. Now I may just not know the difference....
They also have lots of signatures already. Why are the documents not all blank? Is that just a mistake? Because you can't sign for signatures that are part of a PDF printout. What exactly would people be then turning in? The docs are fishy. ;)
I hope someone from Ohio campaign could clarify this, since they must look at a thread about them on a site like dailypaul.
Thanks,
-Jeff
The original post specifically states ....
"In order to get on the ballot". Just scroll up if you don't believe me.
explanation from mdh
mdh: jebba, they are for delegates yeah - delegates go on the ballots as reps for the candidate, not the candidate himself.
mdh: people vote for delegate candidates to represent the candidate they choose.
But I still don't get why some of the docs already have signatures.
We are doing what we need to do
There are some snags in the process, but we're ironing those out. We are not trying to get the signatures solely to get Ron Paul on the ballot.
We're doing delegate petitions right now. These delegates are important, too. You are right that you don't understand it 100%, neither do I, but I know these delegates are our best chance of getting Ron Paul the nomination.
delegates aren't random people on the street
Does each delegate need a bunch of signatures?
Because the website gives instructions for getting signatures from the general random public. Are these people signing to put a delegate on the ballot or to put THEMSELVES on the ballot as a delegate?
Also, why do many pages already have signatures?
You don't need delegate signatures!!!!!
You just need delegates. period. And from what I have been led to believe. We already have enough delegates.
O.K. no recent respnse so I am adding the first flag.
O.K. no recent respnse so I am adding the first flag.
AGAIN!!!!
Read my comments below. This is a complete waste of time. Unless I am a complete dumbass. And it won't be the first time I have been accused of being one of those, quite correctly. But only sometimes.
http://www.sos.state.oh.u...
page 13 very first paragraph
Delegates
So far, we're working our butts off to get the petitions in for our delegates. I haven't been following the ballot situation.
Seems like if their eligible
Seems like if they're eligible for the funding or have delegates there, then they're fine. I would try to call and get clarification... emails don't get responses sometimes.
The only thing that keeps me from flagging this is ....
I am not 100% sure that what I am saying is correct. Otherwise, if I am correct, this should be flagged.
Well, don't complain...
I'm sure everyone is doing their best. Let's keep this positive.
We can do it!!! Let's go Ohio!
Where are those campaign dollars?
Shouldn't, at this point, the campaign just hire the appropriate people in the states nearing the deadline and get the signatures? I presume this is what the other, lesser funded campaigns do?
this kind of irks me cus
this kind of irks me cus this shouldve been done a while ago