Question always asked need answer - IRS jobs

not only for the former IRS employees in the private sector. As well as for our soldiers who spent half of their lives overseas. If needed be, we will re-train them for more productive, self-fulfiling jobs. Some will stay to protect the borders North and South. Others will become reservists if they wish. The manufacturing industry alone can probably support a sudden influx of manpower available. All the government's gotta do is give the business sectors incentives to keep the jobs here instead of outsourcing. We'll all be alright.

"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius

Hi vptimmy and other canvassers- so what two or three line reply are we going to give to the question. It would be helpful to tie this up for other canvessorss to familiarise themselves with.

I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated.

There are 800,000 people employed in the tax and tax preparation industry. These are some of the most highly intelligent and educated people in our society. Imagine the good that would be done, imagine the wealth created if those people were employed in PRODUCTIVE jobs. Currently they spend their time complying with arbitrary laws. Imagine the benefit to small businesses if they had a shot at these people for a controller position, imagine the efficiency increase in our corporations. The release of talent, skills, and abilities into our country from removing this hideous agency would be a great benefit.

Acala is right. When Ron Paul said he 'would get rid of the iRS tommorrow' that was figuratively speaking-of course! It would take a while and there would be some kind of compensation I guess. If buisnesses kept more profit to reinvest in production to meet the growing demand for domestic products caused by extra spending power by folk who have more disposible income left - it would create meaningful employment for ex-IRS. Those same IRS workers would also see extra oportunity to go into being self employed. That is how it worked for hundreds of years before income tax was introduced to pay for war. Government jobs do not create wealth for the nation nor your neighbour. Period!

I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders at the front line.
Good luck out there &Thank you. It's appreciated.

I've talked to many of them and they said that they wouldn't mind losing their job if it meant the end of the IRS. Many accounting firms are still needed in the private sector, and IRS collection agencies could simply go private to collect on past due loans. Banks are in need of educated staff too.

In other words, there will always be a job position for them available somewhere as there are always people out there getting loans they can not afford to pay.

You need to understand the difference between the way the government "creates" jobs and the way the free market creates jobs.

Government takes your money by force, through taxation, and then spends it on things that the government (and the special interests that control government) wants. This includes paying the salary of IRS agents. The reason taxpayers have to be forced to pay taxes is because they have other things they would rather spend their money on than those things which government wants to spend it on.

Every dollar the government takes in taxes is a dollar that would have been spent by the taxpayer on some other goods or services. (Or saved to create real capital). So government spending, on IRS salaries and elsewhere, eliminates jobs in the private sector that would have been needed to provide the goods and services taxpayers would have spent their money on had it not been taken by government.

So government spending never "creates" jobs. It merely relocates jobs from those which provide goods and services that the people want to jobs which provide those goods and services that government (and lobbyists) want. As a consequence, government spending diverts resources away from those economic activities that benefit the public at large to those that benefit special interests.

With that background, we can answer your question simply. People who lose their government jobs as a result of spending cuts and the elimination of government programs will find that the money that had been used to pay their salaries in government work will now be available to pay their salaries in the private sector. So they get jobs in a newly invigorated private sector, providing people with the goods and services they really want. And everyone is happier as a result.

Those thieving son of a beaches will be in jail, where they belong. After the election, I believe stealing will be illegal again.

We're just wanting to cut income taxes. The IRS handles other taxes as well. I doubt anyone will lose jobs.

I'm sure that they will find jobs...especially considering we'll be keeping 1-2 trillion of our own cash.

The federal government still must collect its dues which was formerly the work of the Department of Treasury. Once the Fed no longer has a monopoly on currency printing and we revert to Constitutional law, the job of printing our currency rests with the Treasury Department

Where did all of the farmers go? Are they still unemployed, or did they move on to other jobs?

Private Sector. There will be plenty of money to be made over there with Ron Paul as President!

I really don't think anyone but the IRS agents themselves can answer that. Personally, I could care less if they get put out of a job. The reason for this is because their "job" is to steal money from honest hardworking Americans, myself included. They deserve to be put out of a job.

They can pick up trash and bring it to stinky landfills for all I care. They take peoples property and act like it is nothing,, they should get nothing in return. These people need a return to reality and I really do not care if they land hard or soft. Why should they be different than any of us who have to get jobs?

IRS agent is a zero-sum type job. They may keep everyone honest, but they don't produce any product or service that is marketable.

Most of them are seasonal workers who will go back to some other mediocre job. The rest should have marketable skills accounting (or whatever) at productive companies. Arguing that the IRS should be maintained to preserve their jobs strikes me as completely asinine. Public works projects should produce something tangible.

If someone pushes the subject, tell them the IRS workers could always be retrained in bridge inspection and repair.

Maybe they can join the Armed Forces, I've heard there's a lot of positions that no one is applying for anymore. Collection agencies are always looking for people as well. There is (illegal) organized crime if all else fails, and they are already well trained for that job.

They can take jobs in the banking industry, taking people's homes through foreclosure. The business is booming, and they are already well trained.

America is sick, call a doctor! Dr. Ron Paul.

my landscaper got deported I will hire an out of work Auditor

No government has ever created the first job. For every job created in the public sector, it is at a cost of 2 jobs in the private sector. If the government created jobs the remaining super power would be the USSR.

to all live in a town with Huckabee as their mayor for the rest of their lives.
Just my opinion.

Where does anyone go when their industry becomes obsolete? They go to work somewhere else where there's a high demand. They may have to get retrained for something else. Jobs are constantly being lost in our economy, but at the same time new jobs are constantly being created. If income tax is eliminated, think of how fast the economy will grow and all the new businesses that will arise needing workers.

I think that depends on the typical questions like, what are their backgrounds? I know if they are CPA's they would have an easy time finding a job all over the world because there is currently a shortage everywhere.

The govt cannot be held accountable for their well being especially if it looks like RP is going to get elected. Besides, if RP were to get elected, this would spark unprecedented growth in many areas through deregulation and the free market.

I wouldn't be that concerned....

There the biggest group of losers My mother was a IRS worker she wasn't a loser loser but she is a goofball. Heres another fact IRs workers get paid decent money for doing next too nothing theres loads of social rejects ,Junkies no short of these working for the goverment you woder why post office workers go postal . It's the seasonal thing most are seasonal and lazy who work a few months athen sit home the rest of the year on unemployment and wealfare

People will have more money to save
We won't have all these parents working and people will retire early
People will spend more money creating more jobs

Is that you actually downsize. Worrying about peoples' current jobs is not a reason to not do something that is PAINFULLY needed, and morally imperative to boot. What about all of those tax accountants too?! Oh noes!

They can pitch a lemonade stand, for all I care.

Due to RP's new policies, all the unemployed IRS workers will have more than enough jobs available at McDonalds and picking crops.

As a former Federal civil service employee with the US Treasury - Internal Revenue Service and now retired, let me try and answer this in this way.

All tenured IRS non-management employess are covered by a binding labor agreement between the National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) and the Federal government. The major tenet of this agreement is that employees covered under the agreement 'DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO STRIKE'.

In return for giving up the 'Right To Strike', the NTEU has extracted from the Federal employer (yes, you the taxpayer) incredible (let me say this again, 'incredible') concessions with regard to job security and benefits.

I won't bore you with the details other than to say, 'Don't worry for one second what will happen to these people'. They will be taken care of, damn near in perpetuity, at your (the taxpayers) expense of course.

Ask Dr. Paul as I am sure he is well aware of the massive firewalls put up by union employees in the Federal government to protect themselves from the vagaries of the job market that non-government employees must cope with every day.

lwm

I gave an answer, and a couple of others did too.

What happens to IRS employees when the agency is downsized or eliminated?

It's a very valid question.

Are you really concerned where the instruments of theft find work ??? That's like asking where will all the Drug Dealers find work if their black market is eliminated. WHO CARES ??? This topic is an example of why I am loosing faith in this site. And Yes, I understand I don't have to visit. The Topic was actually on my mind all day. I have to say that I do not encourage potential DR. Paul supporters to visit this place. Between the 1/2 empty attitude of some and the down right malicious attitude of others, I wouldn't want a fence sitter to see this place. THIS IS THE BIG LEAGUES FOLKS and crying and screaming like a bunch of kids isn't going to impress anyone over 25... Please use this PUBLIC SPACE to be good ambassadors of the ideas of which we all support... This should be a place that would encourage a vote for Dr. Paul, not play into the "stigma" that the MSM has created....

This is rhetoric. Only the personal side will be eliminated. Ron Paul has never indicated a removal of corporate taxes which would still need at least 50% of the IRS employees.

And what about the 50%? Well, that's easy... You can start an adopt an IRS Agent program and fund it with all of the money you're saving, if you believe so strongly in protecting those that are so willing to take money from you as surrogates for the corruption in our government.

Each person that asks this question can adopt on IRS Agent, feed them, house them... and in exchange, the IRS Agent promises to never threaten them with a "random audit", or tax lien again!

I suppose we shouldn't put a stop to the mafia either since they employ so many thugs and we would hate to see that many people out of work...

This argument is absurd... But in fairness, I have been asked this before, and I have come up with much more politically correct answers than the above.

The best I could do on short notice was

Immigrant processing..LEGAL immigrants that is.
If we're to close the border to illegals..we need to be much faster in processing the ones who want to come here legally.

Border protection. Logistical and office support...paperwork paperwork

I suspect the IRS will take a while to shutdown in a controlled manner, So many will continue to be employed, and some employees will leave through attrition. It has to be done in a controlled way.

They can start businesses that help people avoid Being ripped off by the Government.

A form of consulting if you will!

How about a job permanently burning in hell?

"Victory for liberty! That is our goal, and nothing less. -- Ron Paul, December 17, 2007"

Oh no. IRS employees will be out of work.

Yeah. I'm all broken up inside about that.

The incredible boom our economy would experience as a result of getting rid of the income tax would create far more jobs than were lost.

Besides, why should people be able to make a living off of stealing other people's money?

They'll just have to fend for themselves. Otherwise, Charles Darwin will intervene using natural selection!

Do people feel sorry for IRS agents somehow?

These guys are feeding off of people who actually do productive stuff.

IRS goons can find a regular job just like anybody.

Without the IRS the economy will be flush with additional cash. Don't think Ron Paul is going to eliminate the IRS all at once, he is going to phase it out. He needs to coincide that with the reduction in spending and he will need congress to assist with that.

He is not going to eliminate 15,000 jobs a day, however by reducing spending he can make it affordable to start increasing income tax exemptions for everyone and slowly lay off the IRS.

The IRS will still handle corporate taxes and many other forms of taxation, they are not going to completely disappear.

can be asked about any federal bureaucracy. Where will the Dept of Education bureaucrats get jobs? Where will the Drug Enforcement Agency people get jobs?

Understand -- these people are PARASITES on all the productive people now. Period. All the hardworking people are subsidizing them.

1. If we get rid of all the stifling regulation on small businesses, these people will be forced to be PRODUCTIVE and a part of the producing economy. Necessity is the mother of invention -- they will become employed or figure out ways to produce new things.

2. Suppose they all end up in the street and get welfare. LOL. Lots cheaper to give them subsistence money then than it is to subsidize them at the rate they are being subsidized now. Better for everyone, same parasitism, just cheaper.