Littlegreenfootballs issue

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Little Green Footballs has moved, over the space of a few weeks, from mercilessly mocking Ron Paul and banning him from its straw polls to putting him at the center of a conspiracy for worldwide Nazi domination. Sitemaster Charles Johnson has hammered the tired Don Black donation story and is now promoting photos, taken from the Value Voters Debate in Florida, of Paul, Black, and Black's son Derek. It's a "photo-op," Johnson says!

I'll give Johnson some credit: He's consistent, and he has a zero-tolerance policy for the white pride/European pride crowd. His fellow travellers have attacked him for blogging against the Belgian right-wing party Vlaams Belang. [UPDATE: In the comments, Robert Spencer complains about being linked. He misunderstands me: I'm not saying he was one of the attackers, I'm referring to the attacks that he defended Johnson from.] The attack on Paul for having his picture taken in the scrum outside a debate, though, is a smear. Paul's never had an entourage or secret service protection. When Don Black eased in for a photo with Paul, the candidate had no idea what Black looked like. (Did anyone? Black looks a little thinner and greyer than the photos of him that come up on image searches or the photo on Stormfront's banner.) Unless Black came up to Paul and said "I am the blandly-named fuhrer of a white pride site. You share the goals of my revolution," I don't see what Paul was supposed to do.

Here, for some context, is footage of Paul milling around before the Values Voters Summit (no relation to the debate) in October. He's being buttonholed by a crazy person who's obsessed with the devil, by Nation reporter Max Blumenthal, and by nutbar businessman/fringe candidate Daniel Imperato. He doesn't know who they are, but he talks to them and gets in frame for their cameras and camcorders anyway.

Lee of Right-Thinking on the Left Coast has a good take on this.

I’m irritated that Ron Paul was photographed with an asshole like Don Black. But these guys shake hands and pose for photos with thousands of people. It’s called campaigning. They don’t have time to check everyone’s background. This was not a Stormfront event, this was a Values Voters debate.

I’m having trouble finding it on Google, but I remember back in ‘96, Ross Perot making a big deal about a photo of Bill Clinton shaking hands with a drug dealer at a campaign event. I remember people making a big deal out of Rosalyn Carter shaking hands with John Wayne Gacy. I thought it was bullshit then and it’s bullshit now.

I haven't tried to cover up the fringe right's love for Ron Paul. When I saw Jamie Kelso blogging from the Ron Paul tent at the Ames Straw Poll, I noted it in my article on that event. But in the shape of things, it's so... irrelevent. Does anyone think Stormfront posters are *this close* to white revolution and all they need now is a presidential trojan horse? For the record, Black's donation makes up 0.002 percent of Paul's 2007 campaign haul.

Back in 2003, I was one of the main posters at FreeRepublic.com and I read LGF everyday and mostly agreed with the folks there...although Charles was so paranoid that it was hard to register to post there.

These people are not worried that RP might win...they would, at the very least, be counting on others to tamper with the Diebold machines so he could not win.

These people are the kind who would tamper with a Diebold machine in the "interest of what is good and right".

Here, for your reading enjoyment, is the mind of a Neocon frozen in 2007 to be exactly like they were in 2003 when most Republicans like me were still smarting from 911:

"Paul gets so much attention here because his movement is dangerous. This is not because he might win and try to make his wacky ideas the law of the land; that won't happen. It is dangerous, rather, because he has mobilized a subculture that has heretofore been justifiably excluded from the political process in this country, and turned it into a player in national politics."

"This is the subculture of the disaffected, politically alienated, conspiracy believer. There is a long and rich history of political crankery in this country, as a reading of works like the John Birch Society's "Bible," The Hidden Hand, will reveal."

"There are millions of these people now, thanks to commercial exploiters like Art Bell and Alex Jones. Paul, I believe unintentionally, has taken this to the next level; focusing this fomerly disenfranchised subculture into a force in elective politics."

"This, in turn, is dangerous because fantasy, urban legends and imaginary grudges are a poor basis for policy, but an excellent rationale for all sorts of atrocities and lawless behavior. It is exactly what we see among the Islamofascists (whose whole ideology is a conspiracy theory) and, at the risk of belaboring the obvious, what earlier generations saw from the Third Reich."

And then someone else at LGF responds with:

"What a great post. Nail, meet hammer."

So, believe me, these people are not worried so much that RP will win (because as I said, they believe their kind will tamper with Diebold Memory Cards to make sure that does not happen), but rather that they are upset that the Ron Paul Movement is allowed ANY SAY AT ALL.

So while this LGF member angrily says that WE are dangerous because we are actually BEING HEARD, he goes on to say that we are like Islamofascists and the Third Reich.

It is this kind of convulated thinking that would cause someone to tamper with a Diebold memory card and think he is doing good.

Anyone else feel really sad for Air Force Amy though?

Leave it be. Ron Paul has a 30 year record that speaks to his record on individual rights.

He didnt even know who he was talking to at the time. This to me is an obvious Rove hit job. I cant think of any other way to explain this. I live in the West Palm Beach Area. I have thought of tracking down Black and asking him just why he is doing this to Dr. Paul.

The good news is that nobody is paying attention to this. The Article by Lifton over at American Thinker has been debunked. This is a non-issue. Let it die.

I saw clinton obama john mcCain speak at that event of Zionist supremacist radicals

the guy in the background had to stand up on a chair to yell to someone

how many photos clinton take with norman shue

If RP didn't know Don Black was a racist, then how can they blame RP for having his picture taken with someone like that? He's probably had thousands of pictures taken of him with other people and had no idea who they were or what their personal beliefs were. Also, keep in mind that racists, white supremacists. etc. are drawn to candidates who have strong records opposing illegal immigration. Then again most American citizens are opposed to illegal immigration. Should RP become pro-illegal immigration to get the racists to stop supporting him? No, because then he would upset a majority of American citizens in the process who want illegal immigration stopped. All RP can really do is denounce racists and racism, and he's done that.

The post also links the Robert Taft Club, Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran in the gathering of racists. Laughable! At least Dr. Paul is in good company...

We've all seen the videos on youtube of Ron Paul meeting with people who come to public places to hear him speak. Much like a department store Santa Claus, people will form a line, and Paul will meet with them one by one and shake their hand, then let them be photographed with him. This is one of those events. He doesn't know these people from Adam! Here's how this logic works:

David Duke idolizes Ron Paul......Ron Paul must be a
white supremacist. If this is true, then:

Charles Manson idolizes the Beatles...the Beatles must
have been an accessory to murder

A portrait of George Washington was displayed with a
swastica at a rally in Madison Square Garden at a
political rally in the 1930's.....George Washington
must have been a fascist.

John Hinckley idolizes Jodie Foster....Jodie Foster
must be an accessory to attempted assassination(Ronald
Reagan)

These scum bags are running scared and doing everything possible to discredit our guy, but it won't work!

I bet a lot of politicians have their photo with David Duke. So what? As if that means they endorse the views of everyone in a photo they are in.

Man you people who post need to be clear.. What are you trying to do.. Next you will put up a picture of some guy and say.. Ron Paul supports crossdressers cause this guy wears womans clothing... A pic of Rudy and Ron Paul standing together would sink the canadacy of both of them.... hehe..

Here is the link that the poster forgot

http://littlegreenfootbal...

Please put URLs to info your getting. I am a person that likes proof of info like this.. I do not just accept that somewhere someone has a photo etc.. lets see a link to it on some reputable source.. Thanks alot for keeping us informed. I do not take lightly these smears.. and if someone here ever finds proof that RP is a sympathizer of them I think it will be a cold day in hades.

P.S. I loathe Nazis.. They have the right to spew thier filth but I have had my throat cut by them, my jaw smashed in 4 places, my ribs broken and my cheek slashed by Neo Nazis who thought I was gay. My wife did not think it was funny.. so I find it distasteful to even think of RP near one.. but if he was I want hard solid proof that like say he spoke and met with them etc.. Not a linkless infrence.

a known Nazi hangout, I suppose

WTH doos that mean? Adolph Hitler was there? This hysteria is absurd.

Oh no LGF! You figured it out! You certainly got Ron Paul's number on this one!

The Irony Award goes to: a bunch of anti-muslim racists are trying to attack someone for being seen in a photo with a racist.

*yawn* Keep trying, morons.

At first it seemed legitimity concerned about the War on Terror, but quickly went to "Kill the Ragheads mode."

For example - Im no big fan of Racheal Corrie myself, but these people are the ones who came up with "St. Pancake" in her honor. Charming, huh?

Just the other side of the coin to sites such as Democratic Underground.

Live Free Or Die; Death Is Not The Worst of Evils.

I think it was Mitt Romney - early in the campaign, he had a photo taken with a supporter who had a stupid sign that said something about obama and chelsea's mama - and everyone gave Mitt trouble for the sign but that didn't blow up. this is the same exact thing.

Rich in NH

They're an amusing bunch.

They got their hands on a photo of Dr Paul and a racist from some event and they think they have it set in stone that Dr Paul must therefore be a racist too.

What's even funnier is reading the comments and how they downloaded files from the racist website.

Isn't there something illegal about that?