This Daily Paul is for electing Ron Paul President
I am tired of those that whine that this site is not some free flowing - no holding back, lets all make love and have great sex site.
I hate to break the news, even though Ron Paul preaches let the market decide whats best - even Ron Paul doesn't open his campaign to let his competitors know his strategy. While the Daily Paul is not a strategic covert site - it is a site dedictate to helping Ron Paul get elected President of the United States. If something that really does not belong here gets flagged and canned, then it really didn't belong here. Its one of those, you know it when you see it kind of things.
The questions like, "what things would hurt Ron Paul politcally" or "Does Ron Paul believe in evolution" do not need to be on this site - go look that up on wikkipedia or something.
What people need to know are what kind of campaigning did you do" was it successful, what events are you holding, information on ballot access, etc. Other good things like polls, news, and videos. Even important news of our competition, like Huckabee and the
Anti-Catholic cloud hanging over him.
This needs to be a positive site, with alot of freedom but still remembering that its ultimately a site dedicated to electing Ron Paul.
UPDATE:
Asking questions on Ron Paul's positions (which are easily found all over the internet and on Ron Paul's National Site) are a way to divide people. Everyone knows that Ron Paul supporters do not agree on everything, except that Ron Paul is the best candidate for President. We are an unusual coalition - the enemy knows that a loves to inject whatever it can to divide us.
Good questions about Ron Paul do not do that.
How about asking the question - what did you do today to promote Ron Paul, or whats the best way to approach a Democrat to support Ron Paul?
There are so many things that we can be doing on the Daily Paul other than talking issues that can easily be found on the Ron Paul national site or just by using google.
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BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU THINK IT'S FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WAY OTHER RON PAUL SUPPORTERS USE DAILYPAUL. HMM, WHO'S RIGHT?
yeaaaah
how funny
i got a question about how i
i got a question about how i could submit some information i have on a say pun du word on a specific builder dorfer berger meeting that was supposedly held and i was wondering if these pdf's were public and active with link according all the secrecy. either way i was wondering if neone else knew of these archive of pdf forum series yearly things and if not who should i forward them to as i should.on data of course. solid media.
I have reviewed your posting history…
… nothing spectacular, just the average type of post that one would expect on this site. But one thing surprising is that I could not find one post of the type that you describe above as being important to getting Ron Paul elected. I know you may have thought that they were important at the time, but to me they were just typical posts that we all enjoy reading for the most part. Until this post, you seemed to be just like all of the rest of us Paulites. Now all of a sudden you're special? Perhaps you should take a more humble stance, considering.
"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams
Getting RON PAUL elected
Bedr1, I agree with you completely and will do my best to take a step back before posting. I am afraid we all had too much time on our hands today and many will regret some of the replys they posted in haste. After reading all of them todate, I just wanted to let you know some of us do see where you are coming from and we are on board.
Blessings, I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and will have a RON PAUL new year.
HERE HERE
WAY TO PREACH, SCROLL DOWN TO HAWKIYE FOR MY VIEWS PRECISELY, YESYES SOMEONE GETS IT
Here, here!
With Christmas cheer!
A standing ovation from me
and a smile.
I generally agree BUT
It is christmas and we are bored paulaholics. I'm not going out canvasing today. l.o.l..
I expect things will get back to "normal" (in the libertarian sense) in a few days.
Hmmm, relax partner !
You have been working too hard !
Don't sweat it. The work is getting done. The word is spreading, even though some of the folks around here are just spinning their wheels or letting off steam.
Be present, tread softly, breath deeply, be peaceful, be patient, and encourage others AND >> Vote for Ron Paul for President ! <<
Dude! Pull the wedgie out! This is NOT your site…
… This site is a delightful mix of all sorts of Ron Paul topics that I find quite enjoyable and thought provoking. This site is so popular that it has outgrown three server upgrades (I think it's three), That simply means that people (like me) like it just the way it is. So, I would respectfully suggest that if you want to get your panties in a bunch and start dictating subject matter, to please start your own site.
Everything that you have suggested in your post is already being discussed here whenever anyone has something interesting to report. As for a lot of it, it's just a big happy Ron Paul get together. Ron Paul always wants to know if we are having fun with the revolution. I am, and the Daily Paul is a great place to hang out with friends and chat. Personally, I like most of the posts. Even your post has merit…Really.
"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams
I disagree.
I am not against some moderation if necessary but the I think the self appointed thread police who get on here and whine about anything that is less the glowing in their opinion about Ron cause more division then anything else.
It seems there is an over abundance of people who think everything has to be there way and they are determined to harp on it until they get there way. So what if things diverge off topic somewhat. They're scared to death somebody will do something that will get some media attention and make Dr. Paul look bad. Wake up folks they are manufacturing it. That kind of fear is no different then saying we have to give up freedom for security as the neocons preach.
Well if we can't win this campaign using maximum freedom and we can't weather a few storms rather then try and censor everything we think might be portrayed in a less then positive light then it simply is not worth it.
Take the 9/11 truthers for example ( I am not one but do have questions) why do we let the media frame the topic as anyone who questions discrepancies is a kook? What's wrong with asking questions and being suspicious when the government won't release evidence that supposedly backs their story? So instead of calling BS we let them characterize it as a anyone who doesn't go along with the official story is bunch of kooks.
Now I am just using that as an example I agree now is not the time to argue that point. Now is the time to get Dr. Paul elected but for pete sake lets stop eating our own and quite walking on eggshells every time someone says something that could be construed as less the positive. The trolls are having a field day every time they post something controversial. The best thing you can do is ignore a thread if you think it's bad instead of 40 people jumping on it and whining about it.
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If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. Samuel Adams
robinlynn...
Have seen a couple of your posts tonight, my sentiments exactly on all of them. It's discouraging to be met with negativity when all you want to do is learn more. My enthusiasm has slipped a bit, hopefully it will pick back up.
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
--Steppenwolf 19
You forgot
You forgot that an IMPORTANT part of getting him elected is making sure people, who do not know him that well, understand his positions on various issues. Answering their questions on his positions IS part of getting him elected. If someone asks you about your candidates positions and you say "go look it up somewhere else". This is not a wise thing to do and certainly does not help the campaign but rather, does just the opposite.
C'mon Zippy
C'mon Zippy if someone can find the Daily Paul on the internet they can easily find any postion Ron Paul has - to come on a site and post crazy statements or questions are only meant to try and divide Ron Paul Supporters.
Poltical division is an old trick and has been used by the two major parties year after year to divide the public so the real issues are masked. Its like playing good cop, bad cop every 4 years.
For example, Pro Lifers must be Republicans, Pro Choicers must be Democrats, Universal Health Care must be Democrats, Free Market Heath Care must be Republicans.
I been on too many campaigns, I know how it works.
When people come on the Daily Paul and ask issue based questions they are trying to create division - bottom line.
Here is a question I don't get see asked very often - What did you do this weekend to help promote Ron Paul?
So
So you believe that every question about a candidates issues is an attempt to divide the campaign? I personally think that is ridiculous, mainly because I do believe there are people out there who do have a genuine interest in his positions and use forums like this, as well as other places, to better inform themselves. Which includes myself! I am not saying that there are not people out there who would like to divide the campaign because there are. However, if a campaign can be divided by some forum posts on an internet website, then your campaign has serious problems to begin with.
What did I do this weekend? I certainly did not tell people to "ask someone else" when they asked me about Ron Paul.
Response to Zippy - Its called Push Polling online
Zippy its called pushpolling online.
Example: Would you be less likely to vote for Ron Paul if he had lesbians on his campaign. Its a question made to cause controversy and division.
I want to make it clear that I made that question up, but its not different that any other similar question. Again the main purpose of this site is to elect Ron Paul - its an idea site, its an information site, its a site for supporters to combine their efforts.
Now if Ron Paul goes on Meet the Press and people want to know more about the Civil War and why it fought because it was a question that Russert threw out - thats legit.
For example,. recent post Montana Caucus tempting target for Ron Paul supporters - is a great post.
I hope you understand
if we want to elect ron paul
then we need to be informed.
I agree that there are posts that don't necessarily help the campaign, but I don't think it's wrong to ask valid questions. We should know as much about Dr. Paul as possible so we can talk intelligently with others. Since this site is growing there are going to be a lot of newbies coming here with questions. Are you suggesting that we should flag their posts?
Today I looked everywhere to find info about Ron Paul's position on evolution. It's not on his website or in the dailypaul archives. The reason I wanted to know is because there were people slamming him on other forums on this issue and I wanted to respond. I couldn't do it because I wasn't sure what his stance was.
Posts like yours make it feel like dailypaul is a private surf beach and you are the beach patrol.
Instead of saying that only certain types of posts are valid, why don't we change the way we respond to things we don't like? If you don't like a post you can either ignore it, or If you think it is harmful, flag it.
If the poster is just asking a simple question that has already been raised then politely direct them to the proper source for information.
thanks and merry christmas.
You all have a point
I very much agree with: "What people need to know are what kind of campaigning did you do" was it successful, what events are you holding, information on ballot access, etc. Other good things like polls, news, and videos. "
And also that it is a shame that really important information disappears from the site in a few minutes. I suggest that "Active forum topics" is split into the following two sections "Active discussions" and "Where can I help"."Where can I help" should be a little more permanent and maybe without comments.
I also agree that we should spend more time on helping the campaign.
And that we should always be positive and respectful.
Some sanity
Things have changed in the last week, disruptive threads started be new members (1hr or less) Post such as "Should we carry weapons to RP rallys" I could just see the headline "Police arrest Ron Paul supporters on weapons charges " There have been an unusal number of threads on RP's views on religion, evolution, and the $500 issue. Why the increase of these non-relevant posts? These post are usually titled in the negative. I think some of these posters have their own agenda,and its not Ron Paul.
Its obvious why
Because Dr Paul is winning and some would do anything to discredit him and to stop the revolution. We need to be aware that the other candidates, our own government, big bankers and corporate have alot to lose when Dr Paul wins because Dr Paul represents the American people and the American people are waking up. The people running this country should be very afraid of "We the People"
I also believe that the Ron Paul Revolution is going to get more Congressional candidates, that agree with Dr Paul's positions, encouraged to run for office. Wouldn't that be awesome.
Be ready, its going to get worse and I know exactly why some posters are posting on this site and we have to be smarter than they are.
I have, I have...
been to the RonPaul2008 website, I've watched EVERY youtube video, hundreds and hundreds, I have questions that are not covered. This site has the most familiar supporters of his positions, I thought. Forgive me, I must be mistaken.
Don't call me lazy, I think you may be the lazy ones if you're not willing to allow valid questions and conversations. Let's just stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything is perfect.
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
--Steppenwolf 1969
Excuse me?
How in the world do you feel that screennames on this forum are qualified to answer your more detailed questions? This causes misinformation and confusion and someone could offer an opinion that is WRONG! If you have a particular question email the campaign website and ASK! This is why the media is such a joke now...all they do is offer their opinions of what Dr Paul stands for, what Dr Paul meant when he said something etc. This twists and distorts the truth and this forum doesn't need to be a part of it. If you want to know something specific ask the campaign and quit asking us to read Dr Paul's mind! I am so sick of this garbage, some of you think you know everything.
I totally agree, if anyone has questions they need to ask those
questions of Ron Paul. No one here is qualified to speak for Dr. Paul, but Dr. Paul himself.
that's the most inefficient thing I ever heard...
...so if I wanna find out what ron has said about the gold standard, for example, it makes no sense for me to ask on here where people will be able to link me to legitimate sources... ideally youtube videos of Ron's words unedited...
You recommend I call the freakin campaign and ask them instead?!?!
Aren't they busy enough?
so you're saying that Ron Paul...
...DOESN'T believe in evolution?
Cause I didn't really care before but now that you're telling me that it's a taboo topic, I'm kinda curious.
oh.. and as far as what I've done, since you've asked:
I went to NH last weekend with 20 friends and canvassed.
...same as we did a few weeks earlier
...and a few weeks before that
...and a few weeks before that
...and a few weeks before that
...and we will be going back next weekend (but with more like 30, not the usual 20 I bring)
...and most of us will be staying through to the primary.
I hope that's enough to buy me the right to ask whether or not Ron Paul believes in freakin evolution.
So... now pretty pretty please, if you could be so kinda as to tell me if you know:
Does Ron Paul believe in evolution?
Evan
Thank you for all the canvassing work
You guys are awesome!
You set an example for all of us. Canvassing is hard work.
Ask any damn question you want.The thread will run along and eventually someone will get it right.
We want it more than they do and we will win because people like you bust their asses for the campaign.
T
No one on this forum is qualified to speak for Ron Paul
Therefore, those who have questions, need to ask Ron Paul, not members on this forum.
well since I don't know him personally...
...that would be hard.
However, since the invention of the printed word, it is possible to get information about people without asking them directly.
One of those ways is to have third parties who may have knowledge about the topic refer you to sources that would have the information you require.
So... for example... let's say there was an article or video clip where Ron himself laid out his stance on evolution. Rather than waste his time by asking him to repeat himself since I missed the original broadcast, I could go to a forum where other Ron Paul fans might be and simply ask if any of them have seen or heard Ron explain his stance on evolution.
quit being a wise ass.
asking on this forum what Ron's stance is on evolution is more than legitimate.
For all you know it was someone leaning Ron but won't vote for him until he hears his stance on evolution. Your "bury" vote on his question may cause it to go unanswered and could be the one that prevents that individual from joining us.
Evan42 how funny
Well now isn't that funny, just looked at the whole thread for the evolution question that people are just dying to know about. Not one person actually knows what Ron Paul's evolution stance is about - its dangerous guesswork.
All they had to do was google "Ron Paul evolution" and it comes right up.
I respect your enthusiasm for freedom and the fact that you have been on the dailypaul for so long, but I disagree with you on turning the dailypaul into a free for all to trash Ron Paul.
if asking his opinion on a subject is "trashing" him...
..then you have little faith that ALL his stances can be logically defended.
No I believe RP does not. But he does believe in REVOLUTION =)
(sorry, couldn't resist.)
p.s. Thanks for all your canvassing!
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Hahahahahah
very funny.
are you a NHer that I may have met?
(at Forsythe's party last saturday night, perhaps?)
LOL he he No, you mentioned your canvassing in your comment...
...I am a few states away...but nevertheless interested in the efforts going on in NH, as we all are.
Thanks for the laugh =D
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According to You?
Looks like you've annointed yourself "The Decider". I think that posting dirt about other candidates is just as counterproductive as any of the other nonsense. And in calling for a positive site, your post isn't positive.
Shouldn't the test be based primarily upon sincerity? If members have sincere questions about one of Dr. Paul's positions, where better to ask? And doesn't it serve the mission of getting Dr. Paul elected when some of his most avid supporters are deepening their understanding of the many issues surrounding his candidacy?
It looks like some members here are afraid of the sincere information-sharing and debate that blogs like this are made for.
Dear lamb990 - you have got to be kidding me
Are you serious - where to ask?
Lets start from the beginning - how about ronpaul2008.com - you can probably get all the info you need on where Ron Paul stands including hundreds and probably thousands of other sites. When someone posts a ridiculous question like Does Ron believe in evolution? thats just a way to divide support on one of Ron Pauls most viewed sites - the Daily Paul.
Questions are a way to divide support on forums - the people that support do not agree on everything. But they do agree on Ron Paul.
Questions can be answered by research, not by someones opinion on a forum.
Again - are you reading my post? The dailypaul is dedicated to electing Ron Paul. Ideas, campaigning styles, Iowa reports, where to get cheap supplies, all of that.
I'll repeat myself
Go to and tell your friends to go to www.ronpaul2008.com. This will answer any question anyone has about Dr Paul's positions and the best place to direct people to go to.
Cactus1010
Be happy to... I've spent thousands of dollars in time and donations, dozens of hours on street corners with my young sons waving signs, Hundreds of hours trying to convince people why RP is better than their candidate.... should i go on?
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
--Steppenwolf 1969
If that's the case, then why did you
post the following? I would think that based on all you have done, you would already be knoiwledgeable and wouldn't need to ask this forum so many questions. Especially, since you state you've spent hundreds of hours trying to convince people about Ron Paul. I would think before you spent those hundreds of hours attempting to convince all those people you would have already informed yourself about everything Ron Paul.
"in our quest to learn as much as possible about Ron Paul so that we can intelligently inform others on his platform, we should go elsewhere to find out? Seems like the most knowledgeable sources would be here, I find your assessment pretty disappointing."
yes. yes. yes!
ron paul 2008
Here, here!
...!!!
Maybe all those with the twenty questions, need to start telling
us what they have done to get Dr. Paul elected.
So you're saying that...
in our quest to learn as much as possible about Ron Paul so that we can intelligently inform others on his platform, we should go elsewhere to find out? Seems like the most knowledgeable sources would be here, I find your assessment pretty disappointing.
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
--Steppenwolf 1969
So your saying that....
So your saying that you want to get on a forum and ask peoples opinion on what Ron Paul believes - c'mon do you think we are stupid - that is not even intelligent.
I guess if you don't understand I can help you.
Go to google - type in Ron Paul evolution
You will get 441,000 hits - have fun
Do some research on your own, watch some of his speeches
on youtube. Check out his official campaign site, it lists his stance on the on the issues. He also has speeches listed on his government website that you can research.
Lazy people who want everyone else to do their work for them will never become knowledgeable about Ron Paul.
We all learned about him on our own and are the better for it. The easy why out is not the way to go.
My suggestion would be, to cut back on your posting here and do a little research on your own. Of course that's just my opinion.
Go to the campaign website
www.ronpaul2008.com is the best place to find out anything you want to know about Dr Paul. Alot of the postings on this forum are opinion, not facts and the campaign website will tell you everything you want to know about Dr Paul including positions, endorsements, letters and updates from Dr Paul, video's etc. The campaign website is about facts and not about opinions. Daily Paul is listed under "news" and is a great way to find out about what Ron Paul supporters are doing, positive video's, media video's &comments, billboards, walks for Dr Paul and a place for supporters to talk and share great ideas about promoting Dr Paul etc.
Not big on religion but
AMEN!
(You don't need to say what you did in your first paragraph.)
It's kind of offensive. What if there were younger people on here, or what if I were an 80 year old voter who read that and thought "huh"? Just saying, you could think about rewriting that first sentence IMHO.
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So true
I couldn't have said it better myself and the thing that upsets me the most is that some great posts die in less than 30 seconds when someone posts something that is negative or contraversial that stays up the entire day because people are trying to respond to the negative posts and defend Dr Paul or his positions. This is not about free speech, this is disruptive and with so little time left it hurts the campaign.
Amen brother!
Ron Paul '08!