Did you have any good holiday Ron Paul conversations?
I had a few good Ron Paul chats today and yesterday with family and friends. Everyone wanted to talk to me about his progress - even my Mom who is clueless about politics!
Here are my top 2:
1. My neocon neighbor said he was good on MTP and agrees with most everything he says, except pulling out of the Middle East. He knows we can't afford our bases overseas, but doesn't think we should pull everything back (he wants to have his cake and eat it, too).
2. My brother said he loves his positions, especially civil liberties. He said the MTP interview went well except that he needs to be very clear where he stands on issues. For example, he said that it wasn't completely clear as to why he opposed the Civil Rights Act.
All in all I am feeling very positive about things because it seems so many people know him now (people that I would not have expected, too).
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Hunger motivates
I wouldn't serve dinner to my relatives UNTIL they agreed to vote for Dr. Paul!
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Got two Christmas letters...
... the one family mentioned that their daughter and her husband now live in Ames, Iowa. I quickly fired off a pro-Ron Paul email to the "daughter and her husband."
Another Christmas letter mentioned that their youngest son is an enthusiastic supporter of Ron Paul. I sent him an e-mail to thank him for seeing to it that his support for Ron Paul got mentioned in the letter.
I was happy to tell both parties that our whole family (well-know among these two families) consists of Ron Paul junkies, without exception, down to a two-year old.
Ah yes, almost full family conversion
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Interesting extended family poll
I had some saying they like Mitt and Ron Paul, some saying Huck and Ron Paul, and finally some saying Ron Paul.
In other words, this could be a very interesting Maine Caucus coming up if enough people see that Ron Paul has momentum in Iowa and New Hampshire. Concerns of who would beat Hillary in the General election came up and I let them know that there really haven't been any official polls between Paul v. Hillary but from what I hear is that he would win by a landslide.
Sneaky
My dad has been an very negative on Ron Paul so far. He is an O'Reilly watcher and thinks Paul is just a "crazy Libertarian". Anyways I sent him the Conquering the Spirit of Debt video the other day http://video.google.com/v...
And over Christmas he couldn't stop talking about it!!!
I'm trying to plan my next attack.. any suggestions? Any video that directly mentions Ron Paul will turn him off, Hes got to come to agree with these policies on his own..
how about Freedom to Fascism?
How about America: Freedom to Fascism?
available on Google video
My family won't watch it (i've tried! the title scared them off).
But if your father is so interested in the issue of debt & the Federal Reserve... well, he'll see Ron Paul interviewed in there, talking about the IRS and the Federal Reserve and it just may be the thing!
(That's how I first learned about Ron Paul just over a year ago... I saw him in that film and couldn't believe a Congressman, let alone a Republican -- I thought they were all neo-cons -- was speaking out publicly!)
My Parents' Neighbors are Stealth Ron Paulites
HA! And my family thinks I'm a lone nut driving around in a car plastered with Ron Paul stickers and signs...
Yesterday evening, my folks invited over THEIR neighborhood friends for Holiday dinner and cheer. Turns out that the first to arrive was especially interested in knowing who owned the Ron Paul sign car parked out front. C'est moi. We shared our political epiphanies and had some very good conversation. Like Savois Faire, "We're everywhere."
Needless to say, it was a Merry Christmas and is looking up to be a very merry new year too!
A couple actually
I usually don't talk politics at my girlfriend's parent's house because they don't seem to have any interest but I was looking at the local paper which showed all of the republican candidates and listed all of their issues. My girlfriend's brother in-law came over and said they all sucked. I said "not this guy" and pointed at Ron Paul. He didn't even know who he was. I told him to look over his views on the issues and he was immediately interested. It didn't mention taxes though so he asked me about that. Once he heard that Paul wanted to abolish the income tax and IRS and cut government spending he was sold. Hopefully he'll start researching him, become an addict, and start spreading the word.
Also, found out my brother who lives in another state is a Ron Paul supporter. I was surprised he even knew who Ron Paul was. Also, at lunch with my parents, aunt and uncle, my aunt brought up his Meet the Press interview. She liked what she heard and now likes Ron Paul. I couldn't believe somebody else in my family brought him up out of nowhere. It was great.
In Calls from Europe
From making the holiday calls from Europe I learned that one relative in a Florida retirement community says there were zero Ron Paul signs around the trailer park.
My mother said on the phone "He is hitting his stride too late. The primaries will be over before enough people hear about him".
Consider my Mom's remark a challenge.
And those of you in Florida, hit the retirement communities more if you can.
Well . . .
At Christmas dinner my Dad told me his is going to vote for Ron Paul! He has been a Mitt supporter because he had a hard time letting go of the "war on terror". Several weeks ago I gave up trying to argue the morality of our interventionism and instead pressed on our fiscal problems and how we can't afford to be the World's policeman.
So at Christmas dinner he said "I think I'm going to vote for Ron Paul. He is what Republicans used to be" Hahahahaha! He got it! Merry Christmas Dad, here's a real Hero for you.
That means my Mom will probably follow. And she will bring my sister and her husband along. And my Dad will probably bring my brother along.
And this is happening all over the country every day.
Peace
not much convo for me, but 1 good sign
Literally: my sister's house has a RP sign near it now. Sadly, it's up the driveway where only guests will see it, but it's still a RP sign! All our Christmas friends and family (maybe 14-18 or so) who came up the driveway for dinner had to walk in the door past it. :-)
The best part is, my sister a couple of years ago answered "yes" when I asked her if she was a socialist. (She had said that people need someone to tell them what to do.) So, I will have to chat some more with her. I have been such a zealot on "fringe" issues ("America: Freedom to Fascism" anyone??) that some of my relatives are tired of hearing my views, so I take it verrrrry easy now.
The other good news is that my parents have been in my meetup group since I started it, and my other sister and her husband are RP supporters who donated on the 16th. :-) It's harder to reach the rest of my circle, due to the aforementioned zeal, but I'll keep gently nudging.
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Good Day: +2 in Indiana and +2 in Texas
I'm in Florida but talked to my sister and brother in law in Indiana, they are looking to find their local meetup.
Also spoke to a long lost friend and his wife now living in Houston Texas.
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Cognitive dissonance
That's called cognitive dissonance.
Example
I was having a conversation with a relative of mine about the state of the economy (he's an accountant). So I was bringing up all the problems our country has about inflation, debt, etc and he just would accept it. He would use the typical "economic school" rational that everything bad has a flip side of being good for every problem I brought up. It was ridiculous.
My hubbys
family is starting to come around ( I think ) although they think we have lost our minds, because we talk about RP so much. They roll thier eyes alot when we come around, at first we thought it was a medical condition... They are for the war, they believe it is just, they think the terrorists will come over if we dont blow every muslim up, they dont understand. They watch alot of FAUX news. My hubbys step dad told him a couple of weeks ago to read a book by Haggerty and tried in vain to give him the book, you would have thought he handed him a lump of molten lava. My husband said WHAT!!! Not Haggerty!! ( that went over like a turd in a punchbowl ) anyway, today at the inlaws wasnt so bad, used duct tape to subdue the hubby. ( Just kidding ) My mom who lives on a fairly tight budget ( social security ) says she will vote for him and that RP is spot on with everything he says. She has alot more to lose and she is willing to take her chances.
2 Neocon brothers still
Believe everything they see on FoxNews or what they hear said by Rush or Hannity...or Israel is the be all and end all of human existance. Some people can't come to terms about a government or news source that routinely lies to them...so they *must believe*.
Try this...
With the Israel argument....Most evangelicals listen to people like John Hagee and think that if America doesn't 'stand' behind Israel that America will receive the curse of God.
Next time, ask your brothers this question.."Who has the power to protect Israel, God or America?"
Scripture teaches in Jeremiah 17 that 'Blessed is the man who makes the Lord his trust....and cursed is the man that trusts in the arm of the flesh (military might, man's protection).
Remind your brothers that as christians we are called to walk by faith and not by sight, that the same God that delivered the children of Israel from Pharoah and his army can STILL deliver the nation of Israel from all her enemies today without the help of America.
Hope this helps.
I actually think this thread
I actually think this thread would convert people by reading it =) Its inspiring.
Yep, Christmas Eve
My CEO cousin, calling five of us in Florida from Aspen, asked me how things were going for my candidate. This is a group I don't see much & they rarely discuss politics, so I thought it best for someone else to bring up.
I said things were going great -- he's rising in the polls while others fall, raising a lot more money than anyone predicted, getting more media attention now, and "I think he'll surprise a lot of people in New Hampshire." (Tonight I learned Dr Paul reached 10% in Iowa -- wish I'd known that then!) Later another cousin asked about Dr Paul in relation to her problem with taxes, which of course made further discussion easy over dinner. I mentioned liking Eisenhower, which resonated with her but not the younger crowd. Later still I handed two Slim Jims to each adult, including a third cousin who just turned 18 and said he wanted to know more.
No commitments, but four Florida adults who knew nothing before are taking a look. I've been emailing the CEO cousin all along & grateful that he brought it up since he is our most successful family member career-wise & we all respect him for it.
Made a Bet on Paul
I informed some of my cousins about Paul and got a couple of them quite interested in him but my uncle is another story. My uncle is sort of a practical business man who will admit that Ron Paul has some good ideas but doesn't support him for two reasons: 1 he "won't win" and 2 he thinks he won't be a productive president because he will just be battling congress all day. Instead he likes Romney.
Any ways, when I was debating my uncle about the chances Paul has he said he wanted to bet me 5 to 1 that Paul won't win the primary. So if Paul wins I get $50 which gives me one more reason to work for his victory (unfortunately i live in Wisconsin but still anything helps).
Stephen
I got a 100-1 in April
Yes, I bet my basketball friends $ 50 to win $5000 in April. Last week I offered to let them out of bet for $100 and put a Ron Paul bumper sticker on their cars. They said No.Future terms will only get steeper.
Christmas Dinner
My mother and father (lifelong Republicans), both in their 70's now and ideologically drifting further and further left. My mother was the first to go as the Republican Party became the tool for the Christian right and anti-choice. My father much later, as the neocons took control (he absolutely hates Sean Hannity).
My younger brother, a lifelong libertarian and registered as such here in Califronia. My sister-in-law, libertarian-leaning, but I don't know how she's registered.
My sister, lifelong democrat and what the pollsters would call "liberal."
All pro-choice (as am I, by the way.)
Of course, I had decorated the room with Ron Paul slim jims and a couple of bumper stickers.
I brought up the subject after dinner... and, here's how it went:
My father: "He's got no chance to win, whatsoever." Dismissive, boardering on contemptuous.
My brother: I agree with Ron Paul, but I'm voting the straight libertarian ticket because it's too much of a hassle to change my registration and he has no chance to win in the Republcian Party.
My sister-in-law: "He's not pro-choice."
My sister: "Dan and his Ron Paul." (rolling her eyes)
Well, after a few minutes of friendly persuasion, which was met with little enthusiasm, I left the room and went and got my laptop, which I had already turned on in the other room in anticipation of the moment.
I sat down next to my brother and showed him the AOL Straw Poll map of the United States... covered in dark green... almost all Ron Paul. I clicked on Iowa, I clicked on New Hampshire... then, I clicked on California. His reaction was immediate and startling. "I'm changing my registration and voting for Ron Paul. Dad, you should see this... Ron Paul is abolutely killing these guys in every state in the nation." My father was incredulous! "No way, what are you talking about?" I borught my laptop over and showed him. He was dumbfounded... I told him it's "one person, one vote. You will see a landslide come election day." You could almsot see the wheels spinning in his head, thinking: "You mean I don't have to vote for Obama?" Then, my brother chimed in: "You have to vote for him, Dad, he's the only one running that is for liberty and will actually do something about it."
Anybody who doesn't think that AOL Straw Poll isn't important is a fool. It is a powerful tool for convincing disaffected Republicans and lazy Libertarians that Ron Paul can win. With my brother and father seeing the light, my sister-in-law and mother will soon follow. Unfortunately, my sister won't switch for the primaries, but she'll vote for Ron Paul in the end, when he sweeps to victory in November 2008.
Merry Christmas and a Ron Paul New Year!
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AOL Straw Poll is CRAZY
It's like all Ron Paul territory out
Check it out
http://news.aol.com/polit...
Pays to be prepared.
These are the kind of voters that are the bread and butter of the major parties. "Easy pickings" is what the major parties figure because they won't vote for someone they're convinced (or have been convinced) can't win.
You did good.
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exactly...
there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, out there just like them. They don't think Ron Paul has a chance. And, if shown differently, it doesn't take much to change their minds and get their votes.
But, also, I think it is a scary scenario. This late in the game, my father, an old Goldwater Republican was initially dismissive. And, my brother, a lifelong libertarian (who voted for Ron Paul in 1988) wasn't motivated enough to change his registration. Both because they thought he has no chance of winning.
There is a LOT of work to be done just to convince people who would vote for him that they're not wasting their votes when they do so. It's a fairly easy sell, but the ocean is so vast and time so short.
"Cheers for liberty, my man."
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My whole family has already
My whole family has already been for Ron Paul. Except I hadn't talked to my dad yet. I spoke to him Saturday and he said he would be voting for Dr. Paul so I was glad I confirmed it. My wife son and daughter are all voting for Dr. Paul. My daughter and Son will be voting for the first time (21 and 19)
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Can you adopt me please?
Just kidding. In case my mom reads this. lol
It sounds like you have a family of true patriots!
Happy holidays to you and your family.
my pop
I met up with my family and the very first thing my pop brought up was that he wants to donate to ron paul and has been discussing him with friends! Just a month ago he was dismissing Ron Paul because he said he was too much of a long shot. Now he is totally on board and trying to convert others. thank you baby jesus.
Today I alked with a young neighbor.
I had dropped by to visit a friend of mine today. She is 21 and has never voted. She told me she was meaning to talk to me about politics since our other friend Tommy had discussed Ron Paul with her. I recently converted him as well. She mentioned my large "Ron Paul Revolution" decals on my truck and we had a nice chat about liberty, ending the war and future wars 9and possible drafts), abolishing the IRS (that one opened here eyes wide), legalizing drugs and downsizing the federal government.
It was about a half hour conversation and I think she is on her way to voting for the first time, and it just might be Ron Paul. I told her she could be part a true revolution. I saw a spark in here eye!
Everywhere I go... Ron Paul goes...
I play bass in a band Syndicate 13 (shameless plug) and my singer, drummer and I are voting for Ron Paul. I also post Ron Paul material on the bulletin board and the musicians are taking them little by little.
I converted two of my co-workers who are voting for Ron Paul, one was a status quo type guy and he is changing his mindset, the other was a lifelong democrat.
I think my little sister is voting for Ron Paul just to get me off her back.. lol
Rest assured, all my friends and family get a good dose of Ron Paul news and truth when I'm around. Some get annoyed but they will thank me later. It's for the own good. ;)
been dating a girl for a few weeks
I had been dating this girl for a few weeks, and when the USA Today Ad came out around Thanksgiving I text her to read the USA Today with the page number - she did and text me back with "Oh its about Ron Paul" not sure if she ever read it. Then a week later she asked me if I had any other info about Ron Paul - I just pointed her to the Ronpaul2008 website, and then sent her a link to the Freedom to Fascism video and said it really had nothing to do with Ron Paul but its interesting viewing. So yesterday she told me she had time to watch it and it was unbelievable and she emailed links to everyone in her address book. She then said she is onboard with Ron Paul.
She's a keeper!
You are a lucky man my friend! Right on!
The American Revolution 2.0 will not be televised... It will be downloaded!!!
Al Gore as a bridge?
I had a really nice conversation about Dr. Paul with a friend. He is already supporting RP, but we started out talking about the mortgage bailout. His gift to me was Al Gore's new book, "The Assault on Reason." I'm only a few chapters into it, but I was amazed at some of the similarities he has with Dr. Paul. I've always just characterized him as an "environmentalist" but, as my friend said, he's really very much a libertarian democrat. His statements on foreign policy, cronyism, civil liberties, internet freedom, etc. are all strong Ron Paul talking points. Using Gore's respect among Independents and Democrats would be a great bridge to bringing them to Paul.
UN
Al Gore is a shill for the UN and world government. He also claims he 'invented' the internet and would like to control it. He is about 180 degrees away from Ron's thinking on global taxes or any taxes. Geesh.
Al Gore and global warming
I used to trust Al Gore on the environmental issue after seeing his film. But after seeing the following documentary, it's clear that Gore's statement that there is a consensus is a myth:
Google Video - The Great Global Warming Swindle
Global Governance?
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Christmas morning...
...I gave my Dad Naomi Wolf's End of America....and HE GAVE IT TO ME! LOL. I also gave him Pat Buchanan's book too. Since those two have some of the same talking points....his mind is now open. Also...my good friend and future father-in-law (my second marriage) was there and we three had a really good talk about the economy, CFR, Federal Reserve and the constitution. I was amazed at the frustration of these veterans and their willingness to talk about behind the scenes concepts.
I also gave a slim jim to my fiance's cousin who is in college in hawaii. he had a short sentence that was ignorant about him not liking paul because he just wants to get richer on the gold standard. obviously, he has no understanding of anything other than his phys-ed degree, but he accepted the slim jim....i gave him a brief overview of money in simple terms and how it relates to the middle class....and he agreed he'd check him out online.
hope everyone had a great holiday...however you celebrate it.
The apple does not fall far from the tree.
That's funny. It shows that great minds think alike..
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I got a text from a friend of mine earlier...
A family of hardcore democrats have become a household of RP supporters. It sure made my day.
That makes my day too!
A group of people... become a mob of people.
A mob of people... become a sea of people.
A sea of people become a revolution!
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Several
Have a conversation about Dr. Ron Paul is about all I want to do. The daughter of a cousin came around very rapidly and it was great. My son joined a meetup. My other son is working on his neocon friends. My daughter is enthusiastic and approached her email list. It is so exciting. I hope we are building this to the explosion point. My aunt's apathy is on the mend. I'm beginning to wish I had a bigger family!! I wear my pin everywhere and strangers love it when I had them one of my little ones. I put sticky notes everyplace, leaving at least 50 every day. This will be remembered as the holiday filled with hope and anticipation.
I think the supplies in holding houses all over the United States needs to be gotten out, out, out. I have waited 17 days and counting for materials. Not fast enough. Ordered on the 8th and wanted it before Christmas; didn't get it. Was not allowed to go 20 miles to pick it up. Had to have it delivered. Somethings gotta give. That is 17 days that the message could have spread further but it didn't.
My conversions:
1 - My mom and dad (both lifelong Republicans) - Used some of the great online videos. They were already not impressed with most of the candidates and only liked Hunter, Tancredo and Paul. Needless to say, Paul is the only one with any chance.
2 - My brother - Never been registered. But he was already planning on registering and voting for Paul before I even got here.
I spoke a good deal with my
I spoke a good deal with my father and sister. My mom is already voting Ron Paul. My dad is hardcore Bill O' Reilly brainwashee but after explaining to him how we would feel if mexico annexed texas and china helped them out by supplying them weapons and funding and then put their battleships in the gulf of mexico pointing them at us......he started to see the analogy with what we have done with Israel and the Arabs.. Nothing he could say would hold water after that and he got VERY mad. Like his whole belief system came tumbling down around him. Later on that same day I started telling him a bit more about how the monetary system worked and how everything is based around debt. How we are getting screwed by the Fed and how the nation has basically sold its sovereignty to China...just all kinds of good stuff. I could see that the Fact Bombs were just detonating in his mind and he had nothing to use to rebuttal with. It was with humbleness that I told him as well, rather than beating him over the head.....I DO feel bad though....at one point I explained to him that Bill O'Reilly caters to a VERY small minority of very unintelligent people that no matter how much you tell them the truth and show them the facts they will reject it over and over without even looking at reality....He got pretty upset at that and left but then came back for more discussion less than 30 minutes later. My sister is living in american idol, reality tv dreamland and thinks the system is just going to keep going but I think after explaining the really deep problems our country is facing financially it really started to sink in. Then when i explained to her that more than 70% of the entire US population is against the war she was like....whoa. Then I went on to say that republicans are SADLY mistaken if they think ANY candidate apart from Ron Paul stands a chance against someone like Clinton or Obama. Everyone knows that Bush/Cheney are liars and war criminals/profiteers and that Rudy McRomneyBee are just Bush clones. With Bush's approval rating sagging almost below 30%....it didn't take her too long to go oh....so my only real choice is to vote ron paul if I don't want hillary to win hahaha!! It's so fun being able to lay out facts and just watch truth work its magic.
Nation hasn't sold sovereignty to China
what are you talking about?
We owe China money. Like you might owe your buddy some money. But that doesn't mean your buddy can tell you what to do. It's just that you owe your buddy money.
China can dump those t-bills
China can dump those t-bills in a heartbeat and collapse our economy if they so desire. I would say giving another nation that sort of economic power over us is on par with giving up its own sovereignty.
It's more like you owe the bank money
The bank can take away all the collateral you put on the loan papers. The USA has put all our land and resource up as collateral to back our debt. Our country is about to go into foreclosure that is why deals are being made to divide our country up. We need a CEO to turn this bankrupt business of state around, Dr. Paul is the only leader who has a fiduciary responsibility to the citizens and not the banks who want to see us go into forfeiture.
after 7 weeks
of bombarding my mother with info and many animated discussions (especially about the war) , she today said she's voting for him.
I was in shock.
She basically has/had the neocon view of the US' role as policemen of the world. This one was really tough for her because her father fought in Korea (AF pilot). She wants to believe that what we are doing in Iraq is correct but I think she knows/feels/thinks that it's not right. She also toes the line with the GOP.
fwiw, I think it was the barrage of info that did it (given to her in as subtle a way as possible).
Democrat convert
My husband's step-father is someone you wouldn't really want to argue with (a retired lawyer). But I was bold enough to ask about who he supported for president. He said Edwards. But later I told him that I was for Ron Paul and he started to say how much sense Dr. Paul made and how he agreed with everything he said. He had seen him on Meet the Press. As we talked, he said he'd vote for him if he got the chance (meaning the general election). Then, he said, if we'd tell him when, he'd vote for him (meaning the primary!!!) I didn't really have to convince--I think I just helped him process what he really thought and was a real person talking to him instead of a tv.
It made me realize how totally influential MTP was. And my husband and I were talking about how great the timing of it was.
In addition, when we saw my brother-in-law last week and were talking about healthcare and how we really need the FDA fixed, HE said, yeah we need Ron Paul to fix that for us. We've never talked politics before. I'm so excited to find them on the same page. Well--got more family to talk to tomorrow. This is so great!
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I Think I Helped Convert My Brothers
My brother saw my Ron Paul bumper sticker and that started a good conversation. My mom hadn't heard of him until just a few weeks ago. Then on Sunday our local paper had a front page story on Ron Paul. I pulled up some videos to drive home some points.
I was thinking about all the Ron Paul supporters having these family conversations all over the country. Just that alone could be huge for the campaign. In person conversations go a long way in persuading many people.