Thank You from NH GOP

If you read the new Union Leader article online today you will see that it is not.

http://www.unionleader.co...

There is nothing to deny. Who are you quoting? This is Jim Forsythe another person in NH that said this, who also knows what goes on here and agreed with me. No one is questioning this. You disagree with it. I never said it wasn't there...so I'm not sure what your point is about 'denying'?

And this is about voter fraud and counting the votes.

I still say let the campaign handle it here in NH.
And I stand by that OPINION, to which I am entitled.
And what credentials does someone need to simply pass on information that they got from the campaign or the party org?
That's all I'm doing. Take it or leave it.

I think this thread is important because I am tired of seeing a group to which I belong be trashed for no good reason other than some one person in another group in another state demonstrated poor behavior.

Talk about groupthink.

You are also entitled to your opinion as well. We should leave it at that.

I understand what you are saying but I think it was something that needed to be said.

I don't know how supportive the GOP headquarters are to Ron Paul. We just had a straw poll fiasco down in Tampa Bay area..the GOP allowed Mitt Romney supporters (all 20 of them) to stuff the ballot boxes and the chairman even made threats to some of the meet up people who called to question it.Romney ended up winning(he paid for all the tickets that were stuffed in the ballot boxes) when Ron Paul had at least 700 supporters at that straw poll picnic. If the NH gop big wigs cared about all their candidates equally, which they are supposed to do, they would remove their sponsorship from the fox event unless all the candidates were fairly represented. I'm quite sure they could get out of the contract by fox refusing to be "fair and balanced". RON PAUL 2008 Jazzloversinc

First of all, I never said people should not COME from Iowa to NH. I said what the campaign said -- they prefer people did NOT do phone banks in NH since the campaign has it covered.

Just passing on the information. If you don't like it, call and complain.

Second, I am not sure which NH straw poll vote we 'lost' because we did not watch it? He won all three major straw polls in NH because the votes were counted properly, the first set by my own organization.

Who is the agent of disinformation here?

Third as for the NH GOP being fair in this Jan 6th issue, yes, I know them WELL and I can't see any reason to make it worse for them while they are working to do their best to get us included. That is what I see, from hearing the voice of the chairman himself.

If you don't like the message, sorry. But don't shoot the messenger. And please, get your facts straight before you start trashing me. I stick my neck out by telling you what the campaign or the GOP has told me and this is the thanks I get for it.

Some of you are just too immature to deal with it and have to be attacking someone, all the time. Since I'd rather not be your whipping post I guess you won't be hearing anything else from me.

Nice try but three strikes and you're out.

PS - There's been no spewing of anything here except to tell people what I was told from the persons I named in order to try to make sense of your collective hysteria. If you don't want to hear the information, here is another great suggestion: don't read my posts.

You know in the old days of the saloons, when a gunfight would break out, the piano player would have to run for cover. Hence the funny plaque we used to have on the wall that said, "Please don't shoot the piano player".

I think we have a similar situation here with folks like the poster above who doesn't know where to direct her anger.

All I have to say to you is please grow up.
I have told everyone what Kent Snyder, Fergus Cullen said to me personally.
Lew Moore's wife Maureen said the same in an email to someone else who kindly posted it here.
The same info is posted on the official website in the form of a press release.
I have even laid out the schedule of the three events for that day, noting that I do not know if he will attend the BRUNCH but that he is INVITED because I had the paper invite. THAT event is put on SOLELY by the NH GOP. It overlaps the second event, but is still doable if he watches his time.

Why in heck would they invite him to that first event if they were trying to leave him out of the 3rd nighttime event? Doesn't make sense.

The fact that some of you could react like this to some anti-Paul blogger who wanted to stir you all up, is amazing to me.

They just reposted the earlier article. They didn't do any extra fact checking. Wait for updates from the official campaign. Wing Nut Daily has posted some semi-supportive Ron Paul articles but they are generally negative. They are mostly pro-mideast-war, bring on armageddon and the 2nd coming types there.

This makes no sense. Just two days ago we were calling NH GOP. It was posted for us to STOP CALLING because NH GOP was trying to negotiate to get Ron Paul included..it was said there were scheduling problems. The Official campaign did a press release admitting Ron Paul was , in fact, excluded from the Fox Debate. That was ONLY two days ago..HOW could it have been cancelled 3 weeks ago? Why didn't the NH GOP TELL Jane it had been cancelled rather than demanding we stop calling and they were negotiating? Something is VERY fishy here. RON PAUL 2008 Jazzloversinc

1) 2 times have been posted for the forum: 5 p.m. and 8 p.m.

2) There is no forum listed on FoxNews broadcasting schedule.

3) Nothing is listed on NH GOP about it.

4) We know there is no audience, but we dont' know if it is live or taped. If taped, we don't know what the real time is.

5) The RP campaign states there is a forum and RP isnt' included.

So, basically, we still know nothing other than there is *probably* a forum and RP isn't invited.

It seems this is all a miss communication thing. Ron Paul has committed himself as a speaker at the NH Liberty Forum on the 6th, long before this debate/forum of Fox. Look it up at:

http://www.freestateproje...

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions, but some of the name calling is shocking.

And many of those are not here in NH, so they don't know what the karma is in this state.

This is correct because when I talked to someone else in the GOP office on the 18th about the brunch and the money bomb, they still had not set a date for a smaller forum, not a huge debate with all the audience and such.

So the brunch was all set, just not this. And the reason this ended up being a more intimate forum with the candidates questioned by Wallace and no big audience or production was because it was just too much to have the ABC one the night before and then this too.

But I can tell you on the 18th, they told me this was in the making.
I had no reason to think RP would not be included because I have scanned the Brunch invite and he's on it, and no one said he wasn't included because frankly when it was time to invite, FOX did the exclusion. I don't think the GOP knew what hit them.

Will you stop posting this crap all over the site. You need to get your facts straight

This is DIS-INFORMATION. It is a Round Table Forum not a Debate. Stop mis-leading people. The Nolan Article is Flawed!! Look at the official RP HQ. They are excluded. NOW DELETE THIS POST!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...

Get your facts straight before you post this BS!!!

No one is perpetuating myths. Some of us are reporting what we know in earnest, but some other morons are posting information about women's periods, to women whom it does not even apply. :-P

Two weeks ago they did not even have a date for this event which is why some are entertaining the 'created crisis' theory. And the way some people here love to knee-jerk react, they may have been successful.

I don't necessarily want to give some blogger loads of traffic, so here's the article:

Topic: Ron Paul
Ron Paul NOT excluded from Fox debate
Some sloppy reporting, instant web indignation, and holiday vacations produced a surge of hysteria that might have been avoided.
by William Westmiller
(Libertarian)

One of the hazards of instant mass communication is that incorrect stories can get distributed immediately. A particular hazard during holiday vacations.

There is NO NH DEBATE on January 6th. Ron Paul was NOT EXCLUDED. That event was canceled three weeks ago.

Ron WILL participate in the January 5th ABC/WMUR GOP debate in New Hampshire.

So, what happened?

Months ago, NH GOP chairman Fergus Cullen had been in touch with FoxNews about a possible forum on January 6th. He had even contacted all the GOP candidates to see whether they were available. However, plans for the ABC debate were finalized with all candidates early in December and Cullen "threw in the towel." See "OUTFOXED" in the NH Union Leader of December 16th.

At that time, Cullen had not received a response from Ron Paul, who had committed to a conflicting luncheon at the Liberty Forum at the same time.

Skip ahead to December 27th, when the Union Leader reported that all candidates had agreed to the ABC/WMUR debate and reporter GARRY RAYNO added a confusing paragraph about Giuliani finally agreeing to the (canceled) January 6th forum, which had already been converted into a simple state GOP brunch.

Due to the timing of this article, there was no way to confirm who will or won't attend the brunch, but it is not a broadcast debate and has nothing to do with FoxNews. Nevertheless, a blog in Washington picked up the story, scrambled it and their "BHDC Staff" reported a list of the candidates who would be attending, which did not include Ron Paul (he hadn't officially confirmed, due to the conflict).

That story was picked up by the AP Newswire, which added some information that it had from a month earlier about the format being discussed.

Finally, the AP article was picked up by Lew Rockwell and passed along to DailyPaul.com, with all the errors intact. Of course, a firestorm ensued on all the Ron Paul nets before the information could be verified. Immediately, thousands of messages went to FoxNews and the NH GOP protesting the exclusion.

Unfortunately, the Ron Paul campaign didn't sort out the facts before sending out a news release blasting Fox for their "outrageous" conduct, even if they did note that the information had not been confirmed. From there, the report spread into dozens of blogs and news commentaries.

An unfortunate false alarm. Lesson: Fast news is sometimes "bad" news. Look before you leap.

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They DO know that to do something silly like excluding Ron from a debate would be a very foolish thing because most of his supporters here are Republicans or people who were once Republicans and have come back. They would not want to do this even if that weren't so. There would be no reason to.

So they are wanting to make this right... In Michigan, the person who was oppositional there went out in public and trashed Ron and stated it, and it was just him, not the whole group. Nothing like that has happened here.

I am just tired of being called names, a liar, etc. when I am just passing on the information as I know it. If you don't believe me there is nothing I can do.

Jane,

If you took some abuse over trying to keep us informed about this, all I can say is thank you for giving us the best information you had, and for staying on the issue like you did.

I took the bait on that one too and wrote a complaint to Fox (see meetup 309) because it seemed, after talking to Mike, reading the blogs, and seeing your late posting the other night, that it was a done deal.

The fact that you reported it was sufficient for me to take it seriously.

Please don't quit. We don't agree on much of anything but the emotional response from a few ill-mannered people is not that important.

We rely on you.

Sincerely,

Rich Laplante

.....appreciate your messages than don't. Please don't quit on us!

It has been a ruff day and now, unfortunately it's the 'witching hour' ....get a good night's sleep, know you are appreciated, and keep us informed. Of all the things you do, right at the top of the list is the relationship you have with the campaign, the workers, and the NH GOP.

And, for anyone who is just now reading this thread understand that there have been a ridiculous number of threads with thoughts, misinformation, confusion and anger all day. Jane has been saying the same things (all sane IMO) all day. She also helps Michael along with others in trying to keep this site relevant not only to 'avid RP supporters' of all ages and backgrounds as well as newcomers and potential voters. To pop in on one thread and read a comment from Jane or anyone else for that matter can give the wrong impression. In this case, if you have not been following the online events all day...you don't understand.

And finally, while I do not know Jane, I am aware that she has been at this over twenty years and in the area she is talking about. I also remember a post months and months ago where she spoke about a meeting in NH?..Iowa?...I don't know, but she was referring to an initial meeting of RP supporters shortly after he announced or was considering announcing. The very first campaign funds were raised there. Jane put that meeting together. None of us were there. She was. Jane deserves our respect and help.

DailyPaul is usually a reasonably civil realm of discourse but the stuff against you was so uncalled for. What happened to the LOVE in the Ron Paul Revolution??

Jane, I hope that in a few days you might reconsider. We need you.