I Need Dirt on John Mccain Fast to Prevent My Uncle From Turning to The Dark Side
My uncle is a WW2 vet who likes what Ron Paul says, he just can't get over his admiration for John Mccains service and "Heroe" status. He just can't believe that John would do this country harm. I need links to articles about his CFR involvement and any other scandals available. Please! This guy is on the fence and the right information would put him in Paul's camp.
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How about the fact that in
How about the fact that in 2006 John MccCain said Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for even 50 bucks an hour, that we cannot do it, implying that american workers are lazy and raising wages for farm workers to attract legal american workers would not work, and that we needed illegal alien labor. After that dozens of people showed up at his office with job applications to pick lettuce to take him up on his offer, but of course he did not respond or talk to them.
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You know that $7 POS trigger lock
That comes with your new gun? Thank McCain for that. He supported the legislation that requires it.
Oh, and he also supported the NICS law that creates a federal record of every gun purchase request since 1999. They were only supposed to keep the data for 6 months but they never deleted any of it. That way, when the North American Union "normalizes" gun laws (see Canada, UK, and Australia - can't have guns) they have your name and address.
Show your uncle Ron Pauls.. greatest generation commercial!!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
McCain Feingold, Lincoln Savings
The guy is corrupt and cannot help himself from being bought off, ie Lincoln Savings and the Keating 5. To take away the temptation, he had passed what has been called the worse piece of legislation in US history. A law that says you cannot criticize an encumbent politician.
But the guy still cannot control himself. Rememember in the first debate when he said he would support amending the consitution to permit a foreigner to become president if Arnold Schwarzenegger would endorse him. As long as you pony up money or favors to him, he will do anything. That is not the kind of president we need right now and not ever.
"I am a war criminal; I bombed innocent women and children"
"I am a war criminal; I bombed innocent women and children" – as he did in an interview with Mike Wallace on Sixty Minutes in 1997.
http://www.antiwar.com/ju...
Don't look for dirt, just use facts
Why are you looking for dirt? The facts speak for themselves. The nation is going bankrupt being in these wars. RP wants to end it McCain wants to keep it going. McCain is in favor of the failed immigration plan. Ron Paul gives no amnesty or benefits to law breakers. Ron Paul will take care of the veterans and they support him more than any other candidate.
Use facts, no dirt required. Dirt is for other campaigns.
Veteran Disarming Bill Dec
Veteran Disarming Bill Dec 18 2007
McCain voted Yes, tho he is a veteran?
Well, I supported McCain in 2004...
Before he got completely crazy.
The way I see it is this.
1) He served his country in Vietnam
2) He suffered brutally in POW camps
On clear-eyed analysis, his sacrifice was for nothing.
All of those comrades of his who died in Vietnam died for nothing.
So now it's happening all over again. So someone like McCain, especially, should know of the extreme price our young soldiers pay in wars. Given this, I would expect him to be especially humble and reticent to involve the U.S. in unjust wars, wars for no reason, etc. etc.
So he's either stupid, or somehow warped by his experience and in extreme denial. Because if this war is pointless, Vietnam was also, and he suffered basically, for nothing.
Sorry, a bit harsh, but that's the way I see it. Spent a lot of time in VA hospitals seeing these kids with PTSD and other issues, many homeless, who lived, but whose lives were destroyed by Vietnam.
See slides 15-20 in this National Geographic Magazine article to see what our soldiers from this most recent, unnecessary war, have to come home to.
http://ngm.nationalgeogra...
So I suspect there is a special place in hell reserved for John McCain.
I didn't go through all of
I didn't go through all of this thread in detail but Keating 5 jumps to mind first. Remember that his status as a war hero is greatly helped by the fact that his father and grandfather were admirals. If you want to attack that accurately and honestly, tell your uncle that McCain's dad was a major player in the cover up of the USS Liberty. He might need a reminder of what the Liberty was, in which case I think the first result on Google is a page put together by the men on the ship.
Here is a (the?) page run by
Here is a (the?) page run by the survivors.
http://www.gtr5.com/
Here is a good article about the incident and the cover up, including a description of McCain's father's role in writing the false report.
http://www.counterpunch.o...
I know there is a whole chapter on this incident in Bamford's "Body of Secrets". If he is a military man who likes to read that's a great book. The title of the chapter is "Blood".
That should help shake the whole "war hero" label.
McCain is a second order criminal
His involvement in the Savings and Loan Scandal with three other Senators..... He's as crooked as they come.
google it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Here's a good McCain video to show him.
It is not about attacking McCain
You saw how ineffective McCain's attack was on Ron Paul in the debate.
You explain the following.
John McCain supports the wars. Our soldiers are dying and suffering. We need them here to protect us and our borders.
If McCain is elected many more of them will die and our money will be worth even less than now.
This is not about McCain being bad. This is about McCain's policies being the wrong policies at this time and RP'S policies being what we need now.
We are in a bad situation and Dr. Paul is addressing all aspects of the situation and John McCain is not. None of this makes McCain or his great American military family bad.
There is plenty of negative stuff you can say about McCain, It is just that negative stuff really doesn't turn people around. Positive stuff will get people to pay attention to Dr. Paul, tell them the truth and let God handle it from there.
T
I'd have to say...traitor
He was shot down October 26, 1967, and by November 9, 1967 he was giving interviews to foreign correspondents, providing information on his prior command, casualties and tactics, in direct violation of the Code of Conduct. (The U.S. military Code of Conduct is the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity. Article V of the Code is very specific in ordering U.S. military personnel to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies, or harmful to their cause. Any willful violation of the Code is considered collaborating with the enemy.)
They gave him the nice clean PJ's to wear while his fellow prisoners suffered unspeakable torture.
Think
Comments like this won't help us...
They Will
if they're TRUE.
Also
The speeches to the Veterans might be good. Also, my uncle is also a WWII vet and I think what might, might have gotten him is my saying that Ron Paul wants to strengthen our military and bring the men home. There is NOTHING on this earth he wanted more than to come home when he was MIA. Most vets relate to wanting to come home, BUT have a very elite, stronge, intelligent, well-equiped military that takes care of their vets better than we have. Most people don't want war. Also that Ron Paul has received more money from vets than any other candidate and at one time than all the other candidates put together. He probably does not do internet. But YouTube would be a good place for him to go.
Be sure and let him know Dr.
Be sure and let him know Dr. Paul is a veteran also who served 5 years. And what the other guy said about veterans for Ron Paul
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If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. Samuel Adams
Chalabi video
There is video that I saw long time ago on UTube:
He was courting "Chalabi" in his office in DC.
This is the guy that was paid $300,000/month by the US govt. to provide intel on Iraq etc. Only he had not been in Iraq since he was 15yrs old.
I dont see why none uses this on their campaign ads?
That just made me sick
That guy was just selling the country out using a lair that the CIA said could not be trusted.
How could anyone do this with a sound mind.
I think, McCriminal needs to be shown some sympathy and given some Post Tramatic Stress Treatment. His cure should not be at the expense of the country and other peoples lives. I bet he wouldnt agree for a diagonsis!
Here...
http://video.google.com/v...
http://video.google.com/v...
Sure..
John got involved in the BIG S&L SCANDAL OF THE LATE EIGHTIES..
he is FAMOUS for saying... he went to washington to change washington but WASHINGTON CHANGED HIM...
He was supporting the FAILED IMMIGRATION BILL THAT WAS GIVING AMNESTY TO THOSE HERE ILLEGALLY... Now he says he is NOT for that..
He has stated he is against torture.. YET HE HAS STARTED NO OVERSIGHT HEARINGS TO HOLD THE ADMIN RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING IT... EVEN WHEN THEY DENIED THEY WERE.... AND NOW WE KNOW THEY DID!!
HE STILL DOES NOTHING!!
He is saying whatever to get elected
Eh?
There are very compelling arguments for supporting Patriot Paul over Senator McCain, but anything to do with torture will not be among them.
You lost me....
Torture is good?? NO.. TORTURE IS BAD!!
JOHN MCCAIN TALKS TOUGH BUT TAKES ZERO ACTIONS... SO HIS TALK IS WORTHLESS..
If SOMEONE SUPPORTS TORTURE... I DOUBT THEY SUPPORT RON PAUL
You lost me....
Torture is good?? NO.. TORTURE IS BAD!!
JOHN MCCAIN TALKS TOUGH BUT TAKES ZERO ACTIONS... SO HIS TALK IS WORTHLESS..
If SOMEONE SUPPORTS TORTURE... I DOUBT THEY SUPPORT RON PAUL
You lost me....
Torture is good?? NO.. TORTURE IS BAD!!
JOHN MCCAIN TALKS TOUGH BUT TAKES ZERO ACTIONS... SO HIS TALK IS WORTHLESS..
If SOMEONE SUPPORTS TORTURE... I DOUBT THEY SUPPORT RON PAUL
Eh?
There are very compelling argument for supporting Patriot Paul over Senator McCain, but anything to do with torture will not be among them.
Torture--habeas corpus
It's misleading (seriously so) to say that McCain opposes Bush's use of torture. McCain has supported nominal bans on torture, and speaks out against torture in public, but he has also supported legislation (most notoriously the Military Commissions Act) that allows Bush to continue using torture in practice. The MCA specifically says that foreign detainees designated as terrorist suspects cannot challenge the conditions of their confinement in a US court. That is to say, the MCA blocks courts from enforcing the legal prohibition on torture. It leaves detainees to the tender mercies of George Bush and Dick Cheney. Thanks to the MCA, if Bush and friends say that water boarding isn't "torture," courts are powerless to stop them.
You know and I know that Bush and friends are taking full advantage of the elimination of habeas corpus in order to continue using torture. That's one reason why they pushed so hard for the elimination of habeas corpus in the MCA and the earlier Detainee Treatment Act of 2005.
McCain not only voted for the MCA. He also voted against an amendment to the MCA that would have preserved habeas corpus. He voted against the recent bill to restore habeas corpus.
But worst of all, at the time the MCA was being debated, he pulled a "bait and switch" maneuver that caught the Democrats off guard. By leading initial opposition to the bill, then supporting it after wholly inadequate alterations had been made, he guaranteed its passage. (I'm not excusing the Democratic leadership, who should have combated the bill more loudly from the start, but the fact is that McCain genuinely bamboozled them when he unexpectedly and unjustifiably dropped his opposition to the bill.)
Why do I stress this so hard? This is not just a symbolic issue. We're talking about real people who have been tortured and are still being tortured -- their bodies broken, their spirits shattered -- thanks to the path that the MCA cleared for the administration. And this is not even to mention the indecipherable language of the MCA that leaves it unclear whether water-boarding, stress positions, sleep deprivation, long-time standing, hypothermia, etc., are "cruel and inhuman treatment."
Why do you give McCain a free pass? Yes, he's far better than most of the other Republican candidates, but that doesn't mean his position is anything close to acceptable. To me it seems like you're succumbing to a "good cop, bad cop" strategy designed to make McCain's foul behavior somehow appear fair.
And, finally, why do you slight Ron Paul? Paul not only adamantly and vocally opposes torture. He has always opposed the MCA and the elimination of habeas corpus. McCain does not deserve to be put in the same company as Ron Paul and the Democratic presidential candidates.
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Refer him to Veterans for Ron Paul!
Coming from a military family, a veteran myself, I can tell you first hand Senator McCain has deep respect in military and veteran circles, myself included.
You may do better selling him on fellow veteran Patriot Paul than discrediting Hero John McCain. - I am living proof.
Ron could have easily applied for and received a student deferment, but in contrast to draft dodgers like Rudy G. or Mitt Romney, he honorably elected to serve.
Most of us Veterans agreed with McCain about torture being a defining issue for America.
The same could also be argued for War or Peace? Preemptive or Non-intervention foreign policy also seems equally as defining.
Your uncle doesn't need to dislike anybody because so many other factors are at stake that weigh heavily in favor of Dr. Paul.
Patriot Paul is humble and obviously honest, an intellectual giant amongst his status-quo peers. You may ask him if he agrees with this statement.
Also, Veterans love to support underdogs! Tell him about the clear media bias against Dr. Paul, a real Patriot who is trying to reinstate the constitution in America.
That could go a long way!
If it does not, the biggest policy issue of weakness for John McCain is immigration.
He is also seen as soft on the 2nd amendment.
Good luck,
Gregory
Two words:
Lieberman, Feingold
Hero or Traitor?
McCain, The Manchurian Candidate?
http://www.usvetdsp.com/m...
Please show more respect...
For the record, there are very compelling arguments in favor of Dr. Paul, over Senator McCain.
But John McCain was known as a real hero who earned the respect of our Veterans, and I would think his nation, long before he entered politics.
Focus on the issues gentleman, you won't win us any support from fellow Vets talking like that!
Respect?
For a guy who was one of those responsible for stopping the search for POWs in Vietnam? I have more respect for Hillary.
He doesn't deserve any respect....
He's my Senator and he doesn't deserve any respect....Your's, mine, or anyone elses. He erolled over in about nine days. My cousin spent the better part of six years in that hole and it's demagogues like mccain that talk tough but when push comes to shove he's no better than the people who tortured our real heros.
mccain is part of the problem, not part of the soloution. He's part of the old guard who need to retire, by force if necessary, so we can have real government.
Pardon my rant but the guy makes me sick. We're up to our collective necks in illegal immigrants and the bad senator and his friends want a cheap workforce. If they can't get one they'll move their companies overseas...Oh wait...they already did that.
Pick Your Dirt
use whatever issue you need. Ratings from the New American (JBS):
102nd Congress Cumulative rating: 52% (That means he's 48% liberal and
unconstitutional)
* HR2507 McCain voted to reauthorize Federal "Family Planning" (ABORTION) programs, and to overturn the "gag rule" which prevented federal funding from going to ABORTION providers (meaning he voted to use MY money to KILL babies).
*S323 Here he voted the OPPOSITE of the above on the "gag rule" part, in
the same session of the Senate. James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
*S2523 SOVIET Bailout Package - The best enemy that money can buy! (At least China PAID to be our enemy!)
*HR5318 Most Favored Nation status for Commie CHINA (Feed Russia with one hand, China with the other!) - Why would a tortured POW support our two greatest enemies?
*Several Big $pending bills for "good", but unconstitutional causes. (Every
session)
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103rd Congress Rating: 66% (He voted liberal more than one of every three
votes).
*S171 Mac voted to make Cabinet status of the Department of the ENVIRONMENT (AlGore must be pleased).
*Voted to confirm Clinton nominee Judge RUTH Bader-GINSBURG who favors LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION, BIGAMY, PORNOGRAPHY, and CHILD PORN as well as lowering the age of consent to 12.
*HR2264 Voted FOR Clinton's TAX INCREASE, which passed by ONE VOTE! A personal thank-you John!
*S1607 Voted for Feinstein's "Hate Crime" bill, making it a greater crime
to kill a QUEER than a straight.
*HR3355 Supported Gestapo-like bill to FEDERALIZE dozens of State and local level criminal activities.
*HR3450 Confirmed NAFTA New World Order job and sovereignty giveaway.
*HR3759 Sent $9.75 billion of our money to the UN "Peacekeeping" FORCES.
*Voted to confirm Clinton appointee Judge Steven BREYER, a CFR member who is against PRIVATE schools (including CHRISTIAN ones) and wants them all under total Federal control.
*S349 Supported "Lobby Disclosure Act" which forces Churches to register and report ALL expenditures and list EVERY INDIVIDUAL who lobbies on their behalf, including VOLUNTEERS.
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104th Congress Rating: 73% (Voted unconstitutionally more than one of every four votes)
*HR5110 Voted for GATT, the New World Order world-wide NAFTA
*S641 McCain voted to PROMOTE HOMOSEXUALITY in directing funding for AIDS (it was a Jesse Helms bill which provided that AIDS funding could not discriminate in favor of homosexuals - McCain opposed it!)
*HR1868 I had to stop and read this one several times. This is not only
TREASON, but an absolute SELL-OUT of Vietnamese POWs!!!
TAXPAYER SUBSIDIES for the COMMUNIST Government of VIETNAM!!!
ABANDONMENT of POWS
This amendment of Sen. Bob Smith was to prohibit "most favored nation" status and subsidies from being given to Communist Vietnam, unless they would cooperate with our search for POWs. McCain voted AGAINST it!
Too bad that bill didn't come up when *McCain* was a POW so someone could vote to give Commie Vietnam MFN status, send them American tax dollars, and leave HIS sorry keester there!
*HR3540 HE DID IT AGAIN! Sen. Smith tried a bill to delete $1.5 million of
our money from going to HANOI and again McCain sided with the COMMUNIST VIETNAMESE!
Also included more of our money to bring the COMMUNIST WARSAW Pact countries into NATO. Who's side is McCain on? Remember, this is during the term that he had his BEST voting percentage!!
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105th Congress Rating: 54% (still voting wrong about HALF the time)
*SJR5 Voted to allow treaties which VIOLATE US laws to be passed without Congressional approval. (something to hide?)
*S672 Extended welfare to non-citizens (as if citizens don't leech enough).
*S955 MFN status for China, again.
*S1061 Federal Funding of FETAL TISSUE Research. Johnny voted to spend our money to help turn ABORTION MILLS into fetus factories for research. Lucky for him such a bill never came up while HIS mother was pregnant.
*S1269 Voted to give Clinton "fast track" authority to pass agreements
without giving Congress authority to amend them.
* Confirmed Clinton nominee Surgeon General David HATCHER, supporter of PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS and needles for drug users. Is there anything of Clinton's that McCain didn't approve of? ALL his nominees, NAFTA, GATT, MFN, tax hike ... I don't think Bill Clinton got that much support from HILLARY!
*NATO Expansion Treaty for Warsaw Pact COMMIES - tried to do by treaty what failed in bill form. He wants to league up with the Commies and send them our money awfully bad.
*S2260 Voted to require all gun dealers to provide trigger locks.
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That covers McCain from 1992 till October, 1998. A total rating of 61%, meaning that he's voted unconstitutionally and liberal at least one of
every three votes.
Abortion, homosexuality, taxes, confirmations, NAFTA, GATT, MFN for three Communist countries, welfare, even an anti-gun vote. Sounds an awful lot like Clinton himself.
Just to pick a nit,
Just to pick a nit, "liberal" is not "unconstitutional." Quite the contrary, the Constitution is a liberal document, in the libertarian sense. "Liberal" means "endorses social freedom" -- just like Ron Paul. I think the word you're looking for is "leftist," which is indeed unconstitutional. "Leftist" means "endorses economic slavery" -- just like John McCain and his buddies like Joe Lieberman.
As a small-L libertarian, I am a social liberal. I am also an economic liberal, in the traditional sense, meaning I endorse economic liberty. To avoid confusion, I usually say I am an economic conservative, since the economic right has been conflated with social conservatism and nobody would understand me otherwise.
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He assaults the Bill of Rights
every chance he gets.
"Capaign Finance Reform" - violated 1st amendment.
He vote FOR the Military Commissions act of 2006 - which authorizes torture! After he made a fuss - in public - about torture - he VOTED FOR IT! How cynical can you get?
He voted for Warner Defense Bill of 2006 - clobbers habeas corpus, allows rendition, etc. etc. Helps enable a police state.
He's FOR illegal alien amnesty.
He's a full-on hypocrite.
'Jolly
McCain
was one of the guys responsible for stopping the investigaion for Vietnam POWs. He sold them out. I can't imagine how a guy who supposedly was tortured would be able to ever let the search be given up.
Show him
Show him this:
http://boston.com/news/po...
Contrast McCain's responses to Paul's (the other candidate's answers are linked from that page). Note the hawkish tone from McCain, and his refusal to take President Bush to task -- just like a good party-line lacky.
(If you want to be REALLY scared, check out Giuliani. He refused to answer all the questions, option instead to release a statement via his handlers. It drips of Hitler-like "Fatherland" rhetoric. Giuliani is truly chilling.)
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RP is also a veteran
not a POW, but served his country via the military all the same.
Ron Paul doesn't pander to groups. He's a Christian and lives like one.
McCain is member of
Council on Foreign Relations... so he would be another puppet doing as he is told..corporate interests come first, border security? .. think not..
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Simply ask why? Ask him read up on his history.
Tell your uncle to do some research. Ask him why is it the people from his own state will not support him even thought it is a Republican State.
answer: Leopards stripes do not change.
I am surprised he still is in Politics. If it was not for his wife (*) he would never have been able to continue schmoozing the military elite. He makes me sick, as he panders to the Military Complex using his history in Vietnam.
He turned his back on taxpayers for his influence which ended costing thousands their retirement and the Tax payers 3.4 billion. He walked away from the mess claiming ignorance while pocketing 100k's for his campaign.
Google "Keating Five".
Google "ACC (American Continental Corp.) "
"Black" was trying to expose ACC a thrift that had fraudulently created billions in phony paper (Debt) and sold it to investors, (retirees). It ended costing tax payers billion dollars and thousands lost their savings.
The five senators, including McCain, seemed like a united front to Black.
"They presented themselves as a group," Black said,.
S&L "trading cards" came out. The Keating Five card showed Charles Keating holding up his hand, with a senator's head adorning each finger. McCain was on Keating's pinkie.
Politics as usual, the point is McCain can be purchased. Is that the kind of principles you want as a leader?
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Google keating 5 john
Google keating 5 john mccain
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McCain proven to be liar or brain dead during News Interview
McCain thinks its safe for American's to travel in IRAQ, and that the general Patraus travels around without security. He has lost his mind. Here is the proof.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
That one got me thinking also!
What the hek was he thinking to make such statemnts?
Scandals?
I dont think there are any.
He basicaly is an honorable enough guy. He is just completly wrong about most things.
I use that picture with him giving Bush that big hug back in 04 any time the subject of McCain comes up.
He may have lost his mind or something, doesnt make him dirty, just not what we need for leadership, especialy at this time.
He's got a maniacal twitch
He's got a maniacal twitch in his left eye due to the voices in his head telling him to bomb everyone.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb iran, bomb, bomb.
but not Pakistan
*W (It Rhymes)
Simple
An alien dictator no less.
Polar opposites.
McCain and Paul are polar opposites. It's difficult for me to believe that once someone's seen the light they will go back into the dark -- but I suppose it is possible, obviously...
Voting for someone based on military service (or lack thereof) is just as bad as voting for someone based on skin color, religion, gender, or any number of other superficial aspects of a candidate. The issues are what's important.
I'm from McCains homestate of Arizona...
I live in AZ. I have voted for McCain in the past, but I will NEVER do so again. He has stabbed Arizonans in the back. He votes for Amnesty for illegals every chance he gets. He flirts with gun control bills. He loves pork spending. McCain wrote the McCain/Fiegngold bill which helps keep politicians in office and hurts freedom of speech.
I don't know ANYONE around here that likes this guy. He's a typical career politician. He can write the book on how to keep your office. It just takes having no morales and not giving a shit about the people who vote for you and the issues they voted you in to fix. For some reason the Republican party here is to afraid to run someone against him (but there is talk of that changing). The liberal Democrats in this state LOVE McCain because he votes with them all the time.
McCain is as worthless as they get. He's done far more to hurt this country, and the people of AZ than the good he did while locked up in the Hanoi Hilton in Vietnam. McCain can go to hell.