9/5/2007 NH FOX Debate Comments

i have come to a conclusion that just as long as Ron Paul is included into the debates, that his honesty and candid positions on the issues asked have won him more support since the May debate.

We all know we couldn't vote twice and if I am correct the last debate on Fox, Dr. Paul got 23% of the vote and last night it was 33% showing a 10% gain in popularity in 3 months at this rate there is no doubt about Dr. Paul being in the top tier that to me is a certain.

For Huckabee to even make a quote about unity was a script written to him by the GOP party heads, Mr. Huckelberry 70% of the people are against the Iraq war Dr. Paul is unifying behind the people and not the NEO-CONS. wake UP !!!!!

Way to go Dr. Paul you wre GREAT again !!!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/st...

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," September 5, 2007. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: All right, it is time now for the final results from our text messaging poll.

And in first tonight, Ron Paul. He is having all those 3 percent of people call in, I'm sure. He got 33...

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Maybe he just did very well.

HANNITY: He got 33 percent. Well, it happens. Anyway, in second place tonight, Mike Huckabee getting 18 percent. And taking the third spot is Rudy Giuliani getting 15 percent.

Now I want to give you a quick — oh, by the way, fourth place is John McCain with 14 percent and Mitt Romney with 12 percent tonight.

Here we go again.
Moments prior to the debate this newschair mimicked Geo Stephanopoulos when - at the end of her half hour program - she brought up our candidate Ron Paul.
She volunteered he hasn't 'a leg of a chance'...but he brings up some interesting questions. What does she know?

Mike Huckabee (who I actually "liked" before this debate) seemed to be referring to our military as the Samurai of Feudal Japan with his references to "death before dishonor" and "saving face." I was also reminded of the words of Spartan women when sending their husbands off to war, "Either return with your shield or on it." Is this what Huckabee is saying?! Have we become so egotistical and flippant with our men and women in uniform as to tell our own troops, "We care more about OUR honor than YOUR lives?!" If we are looking at military history, why not look at the Rule Book still taught in most military colleges and settings, the writings of Sun Tzu, "The Art of War":

"Invicibility is defense. Vincibility is attack. Defend and one has a surplus. Attack and one is insufficient."

"One who does not thoroughly know the harm from employing the military cannot thoroughly know the advantage from employing the military."

"There are roads one does not follow. There are armies one does not strike. There are cities one does not attack. There are grounds one does not contest. There are commands of the sovereign (president) one does not accept."

These writings are still taught at the War College, West Point, Annapolis and others, which is probably why so many generals have opposed Bush publicly. THEY KNOW BETTER! But obviously Fox and the other candidates need to do some additional reading. Sorry Ron, maybe another "recommended reading list" is needed for these militaristic morons.

...and here I was going to email Fox complaining that they would irresponsibly allow people to vote multiple times in such an important poll when it's so easy to prevent it. After all, that's what Hannity said was happening, even Colmes got in on it.

Is Fox News burying the poll results? I can't find them anywhere on the website or any mention of the results in the various stories. Has anyone heard if they've been dismissed as fraudulent or are they just burying it?

This will explain why the main stream doesn't want the American people to know about Ron Paul.
http://video.google.com/v...

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People all the stupid little games they are playing in these debates isn't working. All this is making Ron the center of attention and it doesn't really matter what questions he gets or how many. It only takes a couple shining moments that can crack a rib and that is exactly the window of opportunity they gave Ron tonight which was his rebuttal of Chris Matthews and the exchange with the Huckster. These dinks are helping us so send them e-mails thanking them for it.

We MUST LET THE BIG MEDIA KNOW that they are losing their audience.

Take a few minutes and contact them and let them know how you feel!

Here's where to go for a start:

Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/st...
(If that link won't work, go to http://www.foxnews.com/ and click the "Contact Us" link on the bottom of the page, or email:
yourcomments@foxnews.com

CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/feedba...

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FYI:
Here's the message I sent to CNN - with a copy of the message I sent to Fox News quoted within it:

Stop ignoring Ron Paul!

For instance: On Lou Dobbs' Wednesday show...

"begin quote"
TUCKER: Ah, but the visas are not awarded on the basis of degree held or qualification. They're awarded in a completely random lottery. In other words, the luckiest wins the visa.

And, Lou, of all the major candidates that we contacted today, Edwards was the only one who called us back to issue us a clarification.

And the only candidate that we know of who is absolutely opposed to the H1-B visa program being expanded is Tom Tancredo out of the Congress.
"end quote"

I'm certain the Ron Paul campaign wasn't contacted about this. If they had, there would have been no doubt that Ron Paul is "absolutely opposed to the H1-B visa program being expanded."

After the terrible way Fox News treated Ron Paul tonight, I sent them this letter. You may find it interesting:

"message begins"
To: speakout@foxnews.com
date: Sep 5, 2007 10:48 PM
subject: Fox treats Ron Paul unfairly

OK, Fox News...

I'm not going to put up with your bias anymore. As of tomorrow morning, I'm UN-programming the Fox News channel from my TV receiver.

If I hear that you've changed your ways, I'll give you another chance.

Goodbye and good riddance, Fox News.

Bruce Arnold
Anderson, Missouri
"message ends"

Lou Dobbs makes a lot of noise about standing up for what he says is important in the U.S. - The Middle Class / Border Security / the Foreign Policy mess / etc...

Ron Paul is the only candidate that actually follows the law... The U.S. Constitution. He has an impeccable track record. He is more in line with what Lou "preaches" every day - yet Lou rarely ever mentions him. (He finds plenty of time to talk about all the other candidates, though.)

So while I'm not ready to give up on the Lou Dobbs program entirely (I usually watch it every day) - I am going to do this:

My 'Tivo' still records the program for me. I won't bother to watch it "live" anymore.

After the program airs, I'll log on to the CNN site and do a quick word search for "Ron Paul" on the day's episode transcript.

If there's no mention of Ron Paul, then I'll just delete the show without ever watching it.

If too many days go by without even one serious mention of Ron Paul, then I'll just stop watching the show entirely.

I'm serious and I'm ready to do this. The "big" media has treated Ron Paul extremely unfairly for too long. Yes, I do know why this is, and I don't expect a zebra to change its stripes... Ron Paul will bring about real change to the U.S. - for the better - BUT you like things just the way they are, don't you?

But if you won't give Ron Paul a fair chance, then I'll UN-Program CNN just like I did to Fox News a couple of hours ago.

Ready to lose yet another viewer?

Sincerely,

Bruce Arnold

When I was first watching the "debate" I was starting to get down. I could see that the "lower tier" candidates were definitely getting less time to speak, especially Ron Paul, Tancredo, and Brownback. Then the moderators were misconstruing and mis-quoting Dr. Paul and I started to get energized:
- "Do we take our marching orders from Al Qaida?"

- "No, I take my marching orders from the constitution! "

Not to mention the laughing from Guiliani and the moderators when someone even mentioned Ron Paul's name. The question is: "If Ron Paul is just getting 1-3% in the polls, why was he being head-hunted?" Can you imagine Kucinich or Gravel getting attacked like this from the moderators and being laughed at by Hillary Clinton? These suckers are really going to learn what blowback is when this fundraising quarter is over and Ron takes an even bigger lead in searches on the web and such. They have awakened a sleeping giant...

The attack-questions work the best for Congressman Paul. He knows how to respond to them and they only help him.

That's why politicians know they need to ignore him as much as they can. Refusing to argue with him is their only hope (after what happened with Giuliani).

Thank goodness these moderators either take pot shots (thinking he's an easy target) or pitch him some hardballs. I wondered if Stephanopolous did so on purpose -- it can be a sign of respect. At any rate, they can't possibly think Dr. Paul is easily discouraged!

IMissLiberty

On August 29th, 2007 Pharaoh says:

If "Fixed News" is organising this debate, I'd be more surprised if the questions *hadn't* been pre-selected. You can bet they'll be vetted or even supplied directly from by the White House - courtesy of Murdoch. Expect questions attacking Ron Paul and and pandering to the establishment.

It wasn't hard to predict that the world's most renowned propaganda outfit would try to skew the debate against RP. Even here in Australia we've all heard of Fox News - and what it stands for.

Can you believe that question "so you want to follow orders from the enemy". Can you imagine him asking that at a Democratic debate, where most of them are for pulling out? That was a blatant attack on Ron Paul which he knew he would only get away with in front of the sympathetic pro-war GOP audience.

did anyone else notice the last few questions to Dr. Paul from Mr. Colmes tonight? No longer -"you know you are not going to win", "what are you trying to do in this race", "what do you hope to accomplish in this campaign" - but NOW: "how do you plan on winning the nomination". Finally, they are starting to understand that Dr. Paul has a real chance to win this thing.

God bless America -

God bless Dr. Paul -

That's right ladies and gentleman, we win again.

http://ronpaul.typepad.co...

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsley believe they are free."
-Goethe

Here are the total number of times each candidate was asked a question. I have placed them in order of appearance on stage from left to right. Obviously they placed Guiliani and Romney in the center.

Trancredo - 4
Paul - 5 (and one follow-up, and the Huckabee exchange)
Huckabee - 5 (and the Paul exchange)
Guiliani - 9
Romney - 9
McCain - 8 (and one follow-up)
Brownback - 6 (and one follow-up)
Hunter - 5 (and one follow-up)

Also, here is a list of the national advertisers...
First commercial break:
Norfolk Southern
FreedomsWatch.org
(local spot)
E-Loan
Land Rover

Second commercial break:
Circuit City
Enterprise Rent-A-Car
FreedomsWatch.org
(local)
(local)
(local)

Overall, I believe Congressman Paul did a GREAT job fielding the questions and the Huckabee exchange. Also, I think he did wonderfully with Hannity.

Just my 2c

Congratulations Dr. Paul

Man, I've stuck up for Fox News being conservative leaning in the news because they just were playing to a market, and I still think they focus on what they think conservative just to fill a void.

But HOLY COW, could they be more rude? I thought George Stephanopolus was rude, but this was a whole new level. Allowing Rudy's snickering on an open mic. Twisting Ron Paul's leave Iraq message into a caving to Al Qaeda? Obviously that question was written earlier and they were just waiting to unleash it. Hannity is a tool.

Is it crazy to think that someone in Fox News programming realize their moderators are asses? Yeah, I guess it is. They still have their loyal following of ignorant people pumping their fists everytime someone says "we are strong and will be victorious!"

Sheesh. Most painful debate to watch EVER!

Once again Ron Paul wins hands down! With every debate RP continues to improve while the others languish.His verbal exchange with Huckabee shows that the others are now starting to focus and go after RP. Some are also are beginning to refer to the constitution with greater frequency.We are now beginning to see the fruits of our labor come to a closer realism.
Thank God for such a great man leading our cause for liberty and freedom.

This whole debate was a hit job on Dr. Paul. And I'm not just being partial to Dr. Paul. The fact that it was a hit job just goes to show how much afraid they are of him and the grassroots support thats. growing every day Dr. Paul has. I just re-focused my intensity to elect Dr. Paul. We've got to beat these Neo-Cons.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson