Protest FOX? Protest what? Freedom of choice?

Please read my article to understand why I think it is vital to boycott Fox News -- not to hurt the company, but to free our minds from their propaganda. This goes far beyond the campaign or any slight they may have shown to Ron Paul.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

How can we forget that the Democrats boycotted FOX for their first debate? Who was impressed? They were impressed with themselves. But this exclusion of Ron Paul by FOX has impressed the Democrats and us, making them think that Ron Paul has something to say that FOX wants to hide. I encourage the Democrats on this point.

that`s my beef. They have every right to do what they please, and so do I. I`ll be using what I have available to show my discontent.

Which is more important? Getting Ron Paul elected, or protesting Fox and the MSM so you can feel better that you've done something to stick it to the PTB.

I hate the MSM, I hate the PTB, and I want Ron Paul in the White House.

I read Daily Paul forums every day, but I don't post very often, so most of you won't know me. I've been active politically and have been a Republican most of my adult life, up until 5 years ago, when I went Independent.

Like most of you, I dislike how Dr. Paul is treated by the media, especially Faux News. But please do not encourage a protest against Fox News on Jan 3, the day of the Iowa Caucus. This protest will not accomplish much and might backfire. The press will be completely focused on Iowa, and any coverage they give the protest will be negative.

A protest against the news media will not gain many votes for Dr. Paul in future primaries, especially from average middle-class Republicans totally disillusioned by the other candidates and looking around for a good man. They want to know about the issues, not how crappy Fox News treats Dr. Paul.

Jan 3 is the kickoff day for the primaries. It's what we've all been working toward. Instead of using your energy protesting, use it to canvass and get more votes for Dr. Paul. There is still much work to be done and from here on in, we all should try and be very careful how we conduct ourselves and choose our battles wisely.

Would Dr. Paul stand outside a TV station and protest against Fox News? No, he'd just counter their poor behavior by educating people so that they will vote for him. He'll probably hold a rally in NH during the Fox Forum and make a great speech because he's above all that. That WILL be noticed, and is a positive counter to what Faux News is doing.

Let's live and work by his example.

Let the voters in Iowa speak on Jan 3 instead. If Dr. Paul wins Iowa or places well, the egg is on Fox News face.

Thank you.

He should call a press conference and state that Fox is a war propaganda network and that he will have nothing further to do with them. He should then pull out of the 1/10/08 South Carolina debate to be held on Fox.

The Democrats have already taken this position.

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

The people don't have a voice in major print or through the transmission of radio and television. Protests and petitions have changed nothing for so many years. Clearly, the FCC doesn't care.

Many get the news from the TV, and happen to also have a DVD player.
http://www.ronpauldvdproj...

Change the game. Change the medium.

2008 US Presidential candidate Ron Paul supporters raised an unprecedented $10 million plus during two single day fundraising efforts. Real supporters putting their money behind a candidate they truly believe can become the next President of the United States.
Fox News doesn't see it that way. That organization has excluded the long time Texas Representative from participating in an upcoming televised New Hampshire debate. In response, supporters of Ron Paul have called for boycotting the cable news network and its sponsors. With nearly $20 million raised for the Paul campaign during the 4th quarter, there is speculation that a "boycott" move could seriously affect sponsors.

- Fox News May Want to Look to its Own Past-

Back in 1997, I was one of many who worked on a case involving Fox News Corp, which at that time was a small upcoming cable news organization going up against powerhouse CNN. Chicag0-based law firm, Kirkland & Ellis, represented Fox News at the time.

CNN was owned by Time Warner. Time Warner dominated cable television in New York City and, while Fox news tickers flashed from its state-of-the-art studio in Midtown Manhattan's most prime real estate along Avenue of the Americas, few if anyone in the city could actually view Fox News. That's because Time Warner excluded them.

When Time Warner bought out Ted Turner's Turner Broadcasting, a federal antitrust consent decree required Time Warner to carry a second all-news channel in addition to Time Warner's own CNN. Time Warner selected MSNBC as the secondary news network, instead of Fox News. Fox News claimed that this violated an agreement to carry Fox News, and Ailes used his connections to persuade Mayor Giuliani to carry Fox News and Bloomberg Television on two underutilized city-owned cable channels, which he did.

New York City also threatened to revoke Time Warner's cable franchise for not carrying FOX News.

A lawsuit was filed by Time Warner against the City of New York claiming undue interference and for inappropriate use of the city's educational channels for commercial programming. News Corporation countered with an antitrust lawsuit against Time Warner for unfairly protecting CNN. This led to an acrimonious battle between Murdoch and Turner, with Turner publicly comparing Murdoch to Adolf Hitler while Murdoch's New York Post ran an editorial questioning Turner's sanity. Giuliani's motives were also questioned, as his then-wife was a producer at Murdoch-owned WNYW-TV. In the end, Time Warner and News Corporation signed a settlement agreement to permit Fox News to be carried on New York City cable system beginning in October 1997, and to all of Time Warner's cable systems by 2001, though Time Warner still does not carry Fox News in all areas.

The end result was that a lot of people residing in New York City felt jilted by Time Warner's decision not to run Fox News. Once they were required to do so, many tuned in en masse and found themselves liking the product that Fox News had to offer.

Ron Paul supporters, likewise, have suggested that exclusion from this upcoming event could backfire.

"They (Fox News) are scared of me!" Ron Paul himself is quoted as saying.

- Unfair Playing Ground-
The Fox affiliate in New Hampshire has said it had limited space in its studio — a souped-up bus — and that it invited candidates who had received double-digit support in recent polls. Yet analyses of recent poll results suggest that Fred Thompson (who was invited to take part) is in a dead heat with Ron Paul. Prediction markets have Ron Paul way ahead of Thompson

Likewise, Ron Paul continues to be the most searched for candidate on the Web. Paul himself has suggested that his supporters are less likely to be reflected in national and local polls since many have never voted before and a large percentage do not have access to land-line phones. Also, it is widely speculated that many of the so-called "undecided" votes will go towards Paul. The Republican's treasure chest is being utilized wisely via last minute ad campaigns that paint the Texas Congressman as a pro-life, pro-gun Patriot who served his country well during Vietnam.

Jesse Benton, Paul's spokesman, said it was a "big mistake" not to include his candidate, especially given Paul's recent success in fundraising. He said the campaign has been trying to reach Fox News to explain the decision, but its calls had not been returned.

"There very well might be some bias," Benton said. "Ron brings up some topics that aren't very popular with Fox News, as in fiscal responsibility and withdrawing from the war in Iraq ... that does leave us scratching our heads a little bit about whether it was deliberate. Based on metrics, I don't see how you can possibly exclude Dr. Paul."

New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:

“Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate – not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.”

“Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.”

“The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.”

Short It!

Gambling911.com reporter, Jennifer Reynolds, who was brought on specifically to cover the lucrative Ron Paul campaign, had this to say in response to the Fox News exclusion:

Ron Paul supporters will be holding rallies, writing letters to the editor, boycotting all sponsors, calling Fox news and in an additional move there is even talk of contacting all shareholders of the company that owns Fox news (I will let you look that up yourself) and is advising everyone to sell sell sell and for those of you not able to sell, buy short. I am not offering any advice, I am only reporting what I have seen in print.

It should be noted that Gambling911.com certainly doesn't advocate shorting News Corp stocks. Reynolds is simply passing along information she gathered across the Net.

A look at the News Corp Yahoo! finance forums display what Reynolds is alluding to. That board was inundated with Ron Paul supporters blasting the company even though trading would not commence for a full 36 hours from press time.

"Fox is playing the AMERICAN PUBLIC for FOOLS. How dare they!" cries out one poster.

"Murdoch and Fox are desperate and could care less about the first amendment and the truth. Complete cowards," voiced another disgruntled Ron Paul supporter.

On Monday, News Corp's shares had fallen .19%.

link to www.gambling911.com

It is our duty as free americans who are in persuit of liberty to fight the orwellian media. For most of us, getting Ron Paul elected is a means to an end in the fight for Liberty. We have plenty of time to give 100% for Ron Paul and fight the psy-ops information war. It is part of the process...

I don't think I can protest..I'm too weak from not being able to eat anywhere because of the boycott...I'm too weary from changing cable companies every five minutes and my fingers are sore from all the email and phone protests I'm doing..My wife is mad at me because she can't shop at her 6 favorite stores due to the boycott..My grand kids are angry at me because I can't take them to their favorite place, Burger King..I just hope I can go on living..

Our goal is Ron Paul becoming the Republican candidate. Not make Fox news look bad. We are trying to introduce our fellow Americans to a smart, positive man named Ron Paul. If WE become the focus, he will lose. This is common sense. We can deal with Fox AFTER we win.

I've read your comment and I disagree with physical protests not being effective. We held protests here in Indianapolis because the government is not following the rule of law, thus our property taxes are out of control. In a recent October protest, we had people dressed up as characters like "Tax Hell" - looked a lot like Jason (the horror movie) and so forth and images are important because it helps people associate a message. In the case of Fox News and protesting, I believe people should go out there and make a story, but do it with symbolic messages and use press releases to the other media. In fact, get the other mainstream media to report the situation and have fun. This alone will make Fox News look bad and, in the age of media wars, it could give them a little ammunition to attack their opponent.

I view anyone who wants to jump up and down in front of a Fox station, right before the primaries, as part of the problem. This is not the time and you will HURT the Paul campaign. If you disregard all of the very intelligent posts here that explain why you will hurt Ron Paul if you protest, you should be considered hostile to this campaign. Having a protest now is beyond a bad idea. It's dangerous and leaves us wide open for fatal negative press.

How About, TRYING TO RIG THE GAME!!!
Wake UP!

This is what I found on a quick google search and it should be the same for any State. However, if a corporation's activities reach the entire US their charter might be at the Federal level.

Corporations:

In the eyes of the law, the corporation is its own legal entity. You will pay personal income tax on the salary you draw from the corporation as well as corporate income tax on the corporations earnings.

Corporations must have a charter that is approved by Nevada’s Secretary of State. As long as the stockholders comply with the laws that maintain the corporation as its own legal entity, they can only be held liable for the amount of money they have invested. As a small corporation, lenders may still require your personal guarantee on any loans. As such, you would
still be liable for those debts. Assets under the corporate structure are separate from personal assets. In the case of a legal suit, liability is limited to the business assets.

There is a special type of corporation known as the Subchapter S Corporation. Generally, it has the liability protection of the standard corporation, but it avoids the corporate income tax. The rules governing Subchapter S Corporations allow shareholder income to be taxed as if the
corporation was a partnership or sole proprietorship.

FOX is only renting the airwaves. "We the People"own the airwaves and they are supposed to provide the candidates with a forum for an open debate.

every Corporation must have a charter? That's been my understanding. If I'm right, I bet their charter has to do with informing the public. If it is they could lose their license. Private or not, I believe it is all a concession, or is cable not bound by the same rules? How about the newspapers? What are their charters? Must be keeping the public informed, or not? If it is then they could also lose theirs.

JB

and they DO have every right to make this decision; however, we have EVERY RIGHT to protest Fox News, boycott their advertisers, and be generally dissatisfied with all the propaganda they feed to us.

*Just a Note*

THIS IS HOW THE FREE MARKET WORKS! If a firm makes a bad decision, the consumer lets them know by not buying their product. Just because a firm CAN do something doesn't mean the consumer should be happy about it. In an ideal libertarian world private discrimination would be "legal" because the government would recognize the private property rights of restaurants/clubs in the same way they recognize the private property rights of private universities (which discriminate through affirmative action). HOWEVER! This does not justify the discrimination. It does not make it right. I would hope that every true American would boycott such a firm.

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That being said, I agree that a boycott probably isn't the best strategy. Yeah, we should counter-rally.

I like what has been happening to Fox, what with the boycott and their stocks dropping as a result of RP supporters selling off, but maybe boyer has a point. Why waste time with these guys? Why don't we ignore THEM? How have they helped the campaign? Haven't we gotten this far without them? In the final analysis, if we succeed won't they be the forgotten ones? Let us burn our energies on doing just that. Getting our man the nomination.
www.paulforronpaul.com

I agree that a personal approach to spreading the message is of key importance. Not all are going to be spokespersons, sign makers, blimp pilots or attend meetings.

The Ron Paul campaign message is time critical and going after abusive anti-democratic media outlets could be a distraction, to a blimp pilot certainly. All involved have differing abilities, interests and allowances with time.

Let folks express and participate in their own unique way. It is about liberty after all.

that I agree w/ everything you have to say in this one, but there's one point that i didn't see in the comments below (hope I didn't just overlook it) is that the People own the airwaves. FOX has broadcast affiliates who will air this event (if its strictly cable and if I'm unaware of this then the point is moot I suppose) through public airwaves. The FCC (whether we like it or not) ostensibly licenses the frequencies on behalf of the people so the argument that they are simply exercising their property rights and freedom of choice is not relevant. Not a communications lawyer or anything, but I believe that this holds true.