Please, Do not concede the Christian evangelical vote to Huck...

Yes, go ahead and drop me an e-mail at lionandlambministry@gmail.com and let's see if we can't put this together.

In Christ,
Dave

www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com

Dave at lionandlambministry@gmail.com . Dave is trying to organize a united front of Pastors and preachers of biblical Christianity to present to the Christian community at large.

Howard

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."

Why did Jesus say this?...essentially translated "you got the government you asked for" since the Jewish elders invited the Roman government-in sectarian wars. Contrary to popular erroneous belief, the Romans did not invade the Jews, rather, the Pharisees paid Pompey (Roman General) to take out the 'other side' (63-31BC)---but then the Romans stayed.

Christians fully misunderstand this scripture; As if we are not to be part of 'distasteful' government. Government has become distasteful because God-fearing men have abandoned their responsibility of citizenry.

In this republic---YOU/ME are Caesar. Why? A republic is not rule by law, rather is rule by Elders.

Are you a properly functioning elder, pastor, teacher, evangelist, administrator, etc. in your local congregation? If not, why not---get busy and show up to your city council meeting (with your other 10 elders) and show up at the ballot box too. Unless, you are "Purpose-Driven" then you need to stay home until you repent.

If all of the 'men' that are supposed to be elders would do this, the country could be healed in 48 hours.

Notice the below does not say if the "SINNERS" repent...rather, this was to if "MY PEOPLE"

"If My people which are called by My name shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land" (2 Chron. 7:14)."

I am MORE than willing to work with other Pastor's who are part of this Movement, to preserve our rights in this Nation to teach and preach Christ, to form a, lol, "coalition" of sorts to get the true Biblical message out. we have to present a united FRONT!

In Christ,
Dave

www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com

Ron Paul should certainly start talking more about his faith. Like it or not, many people vote for a candidate based on their religious beliefs. This is a sure-fire way for him to solidify support and he would not have to feign anything. From what I have read, he is a devout Christian. He could speak from his heart and explain to people his beliefs. Let's face it, a person's faith does impact on their behavior. It is a key factor in how they view the world and how they react to different situations. I feel that voters are desperate to hear Dr. Paul freely express his Christian beliefs. He should definitely do this!

Just remember that much of this false info being FED to Christians is coming from pulpits across America through Satan's agents. What, you don't think the devil is in the pulpit...? That's his favorite spot!

True Biblical Christianity and the Ron Paul message are traveling the same path. It's ALL about Freedom!

In Christ,
Dave

www.lionandlambministry.com
www.lionandlambtv.com

Really...some of the christian-bashing on here.

What if these things were written--about Muslims...or even...forbid...Mormons.

Think about it people... RP is a believer--you bashing him too?

I grew up in the evangelical world... I have tried to talk to them about Ron Paul... they straight up tell me they dont want peace... they go on about how oil is going to be found in Israel soon and then it will be revelations time... they WANT armageddon ... not a logical solution to real world problems. We COULD get them... but Ron Paul would have to start pandering and making up lies about how the world works... start talking about how arabs are bad in their blood because they come from the bad blood line of Abraham... racist crap... Maybe after the Democrats get done pushing christianity completely out of our society they will finally wake up to how stupid they have been... If they dont bring us armageddon first.

simply, whether your religious or not, what church you belong to, doesnt matter.

we all should be doing church out reaches. finding people who are ron paul supporters and regular church goers to help spread ron's message at church and church activities.

proven fact, word of mouth advertising is most responsive, people rather hear about politics from a friend or family matter. they will be more receptive.

also, very important, church goers also tend to be those that actually vote. other excellent places to reach out to are veterans and senior living centers. again, high percentage of these people vote. we need to bring more people to the voting machines. cant rely soley on the internet.

Please do not discount Dave's influence. He is a true prayerful, man of God.

Howard

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6

Barry Goldwater had this to say about the so-called Christian Right: "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican Party much more than the Democrats have."

Honestly, I don't see how the majority of these people could ever vote for Paul. I just don't view it as a possibility. Ron isn't anti-gay, anti-muslim, or pro-Israel enough. I'm not trying to offend any Christian Evangelicals that support Ron but I'm just making the point that he just isn't going to appeal to most of the evangelical community. At least, that's how it looks to someone who is not a part of that community.

Statement of Faith
By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
The Covenant News ~ July 21, 2007
We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. As you likely know, I am running for President of the United States, and I am asking for your support.

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success.

It has been and remains my firm belief that the current United Nations-mandated, no-win police action in Iraq fails to meet the high moral threshold required to wage just war. That is why I have offered moral and practical opposition to the invasion, occupation and social engineering police exercise now underway in Iraq. It is my belief, borne out by five years of abject failure and tens of thousands of lost lives, that the Iraq operation has been a dangerous diversion from the rightful and appropriate focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.

I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan. I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.

On September 17, 2001, I stated on the house floor that “…striking out at six or eight or even ten different countries could well expand this war of which we wanted no part. Without defining the enemy there is no way to know our precise goal or to know when the war is over. Inadvertently more casual acceptance of civilian deaths as part of this war I'm certain will prolong the agony and increase the chances of even more American casualties. We must guard against this if at all possible.” I’m sorry to say that history has proven this to be true.

I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution. I have never voted for legislation that is not specifically authorized by the Constitution. As president, I will never sign a piece of legislation, nor use the power of the executive, in a manner inconsistent with the limitations that the founders envisioned.

Many have given up on America as an exemplar for the world, as a model of freedom, self-government, and self-control. I have not. There is hope for America. I ask you to join me, and to be a part of it.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul

He used Jesus to stand up for his political agenda. He used the name of the lord to boost his Christian support. Any Christian who supports a man just because he says "Jesus" is not a Christian. Any small investigation into Huckabee's record, and past, shows that he is not what he claims to be. Many evil man have used the name of the lord to prosper, and to enslave mankind. Many good Christians have died in the name of Jesus, because of these men. It is our duty as Christians to inform our brothers and sisters in Christ of this Man's true nature. The Evangelicals that gave us Bush are giving us Huckabee. Enough said.

He used Jesus to stand up for his political agenda. He used the name of the lord to boost his Christian support. Any Christian who supports a man just because he says "Jesus" is not a Christian. Any small investigation into Huckabee's record, and past, shows that he is not what he claims to be. Many evil man have used the name of the lord to prosper, and to enslave mankind. Many good Christians have died in the name of Jesus, because of these men. It is our duty as Christians to inform our brothers and sisters in Christ of this Man's true nature. The Evangelicals that gave us Bush are giving us Huckabee. Enough said.

of websites supporting Ron Paul. Dave who runs the site www.lionandlambministry.com is a tireless worker, frankly I don't know when the man sleeps, who is now on board. Everyday he has posted a new Ron Paul video on the site, and has also incorporated Ron Paul into the videos of his Bible teaching. I believe that if Chuck and Dave, and the other Pastors on here team up as a force we can make a real difference in the Christian community...

Howard

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 8:36, 32; 14:6

http://www.christian-quest.com
http://www.christiansforronpaul.com
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com

Blogs
http://screamfreedom.blogspot.com

Dr. Paul is the smartest of all of us. He does not flash his religious beliefs in front of us all like some kind of banner. He keeps it personal and private within his family where it belongs. He leaves it out of political discussions. He knows it has no place in government or in the presidential race.

His political positions are rooted in what's right, and I'm sure that many of his principled beliefs are based upon not only our Constitution, but on his religion, like many of us.

Frankly, I tire of all the religious threads here and I've bailed out more than once in my daily reading. Keep your prayer and your religion private please, like the good doc. Learn something from him. This is a political website. If you think a Christians for Ron Paul effort will help get him elected, start another website and by all means focus on it! Plastering it in front of everyone else is not productive and we'll lose valuable activists because of it.

"It would not take much for Ron Paul to stand up for Allah, and to explain to them how this country was founded on the belief in Muhammed and the principles He laid out in the Koran for His people to follow.

...it explains that the founding fathers of this country understood that this Republic could not stand without the people living by the moral standards written of in the Koran by our God and creator, Allah. for without the guiding light of Allah's principles lived out in His people...people could not possibly govern themselves in a Republic form of government."

Doesn't sound so good, does it. We fight the "extreme" influence of religion in government overseas, but are supposed to kowtow to it at home???? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...there is a fine line we are trying to walk here.

I think our candidate best protects and substantiates his and your shared faith in action through his adherence to the law of the land. Many are coming in my name but not all are called by me, etc...I think we all have to be careful of politicians who are so blatantly pushing our buttons.

When I'm told many times to my face that I will go to hell because my beliefs are different then we have a problem! I don't feel at all comfortable having these people mixed in government. Imagine having someone like Huckabee for president and this is what they told us they want in IA. Good thing they only represent about 1% of this country!

JB

This guy takes on the "Sunday Christians" who voted for Huck yesterday. Very good job of contrasting Paul and Huck and who is actually following the teachings of Jesus.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article920.html

If you are a Pastor or know one, please ask them to go to www.PastorsforRonPaul.com and sign up. Or e-mail me at pastors@pastorsforronpaul.com and I will add them to the endorsement list. We just started this site so please, help us get a list to release before NH.

thanks.

Also, if it comes down to Mitt and Paul, the Evangelicals will stay at home.
The one thing they hate worse than a non-muslim killer, is a Mormon.

True followers of Christ, like yourself are already voting for Paul.

The majority of todays Evangelical movement are interesting in forcing the hand of God to bring on armegeddon, and only want to hear two things from a candidate; "I'm a good Christian feller, and I'm willing to kill millions of those Heathern muslims for Jaysssuuuss!"

Good, bad, right or wrong that is the case.

They worship Israel, and would probably stone Jesus if he walked in their church.

Outside of Iowa, Mississipi, and couple of others, it ain't gonna matter.

We have a huge following let's use that to start to dig up all of the dirt on the Huckster when it comes to the Christian Vote. There is plenty of ammo let's go get it.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams

No 'christian' would let their candidacy be engineered by the CFR.
Ask Eagle Forum what they think of Huckabee.

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2007/dec07/07-12-26.html

http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/33391ddb-ed1f-4bc3-9d19-cdca6...

I know many Christians supporting Ron vs. Huckabee...

How can you be a good christian if you are a pro-war fanatic? It is something i do not understand. RP has the right message (and the one with the right and accurate 'christian message' if you want to say that, Jesus preached peace and understanding among all nations and people) but the ones receiving it (some or many /christian right) have a twisted (can i say 'sick'?) version of christianity (why and how this came to be is a long long history......

We should all concur that we need to promote peace and shun violence and war. Politics is a power grab. Any means used to accomplish these ends will be used by most.

Ron Paul is an exception, and therefor exceptional.

Huckabee is probably a decent man, as an individual. Huckabee's statements on foreign policy make him untenable for the office of President for me. #1 Attack Pakistan. #2 50% increase in defense spending. #3 Increase size of military.

Huckabee is NOT a viable option for President, if you want #1 no war, (and never a preemptive war). #2 sound money #3 balanced budget. Any one of those three, Huckabee aint the man for the job.

Let Huckabee imitate, dance a jig or even call himself Ron Paul Jr. These are exhibitions of character flaws that are not a reason to despair for the real Ron Paul.

I'm campaigning for a good President, not a good preacher.

http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/33391ddb-ed1f-4bc3-9d19-cdca6...

This is a must read for Christians supporting Huckabee