Soldier Video Pulled!
Posted January 7th, 2008 by louisnatale
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Something fishy going on here
I wanted to share the soldier video with my husband around 3 PM ET today, and since it had been pulled and re-posted, I thought I would rate it. YouTube asked me to sign in, which I did many times, and even went through a long process to re-register with no success. There were 716 hits at that time. I just went back and tried to rate it, and it will not allow me to do anything, and the number of hits was STILL 716! Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
I find it hard to believe
I find it hard to believe this was pulled for foul language. It would be nice to know the real story. Personally I have never used foul language but you know, I don't even remember any of that in this video. And I must have watched that video 25 times.
I knew the minute I saw it that it was going to be big. It said what all but the most brainwashed know is true. It was mesmerizing in its truth.
Some people have an aversion to the truth when they have an agenda. Some people saw that video and must have been embarrassed by the truth. They looked for a way to belittle it by seeing a alleged uniform. I guess it's all in the eyes of the beholder.
Video removed by user
Here is a comment from the soldier Hector shortly after reposting –
“Actually brother, I pulled it temporarily. The reason is because I was overwhelmed on the amount of attention it is getting so I had to pray for a bit and talk with my family. However, I have made a decision to stick to my guns and follow through. Peace.”
If the soldier removed it
If the soldier removed it himself, than I am glad it wasn't for censorship reasons. However, I just tried watching it 5:30 pm central time. It says, removed by user
Powerful
This is a very powerful video. I would love to hear all the other warmongering mainsteram candidates respond to this. I will be passing this link on.
Start sending this video to everyone you come in contact with!
Ron Paul for President!!!
Let's get this video out there to the public once more! and if you have seen it then see it again and comment on it! tag it to every Mad McCain video!
Start sending this video to everyone you come in contact with!
Ron Paul for President!!!
Let's get this video out there to the public once more! and if you have seen it then see it again and comment on it! tag it to every Mad McCain video!
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"Victory for liberty! That is our goal, and nothing less. -- Ron Paul, December 17, 2007"
Bless this soldier
I wish he would run for office. He could be Ron Paul's Vice President kick some corporate ass too.
Military Participation
I'll tell you what is a violation of a soldier's rights: being used as a politicial prop for some low-life politician. When I was in Iraq, one of my senators came over there twice. I refused to have my picture taken with him, or even to speak to him. I think that it is outrageous for politicians to use military personnel for their own political posturing.
There is a natural animosity between the military and politicians in general. It is the politicians who get us into wars, and it is the military who fight those wars. It has always bothered me when I hear someone in the military say that they are a soldier, and they are not interested in politics. It the people in the military who should be most concerned with politics, and where our politicians are taking us. They involve us in wars, and are ready to abandon us, like they did in Korea and Viet Nam. Obviously, Ron Paul does not fit this description. He is a statesman.
Military personnel need to take a very active role in assessing the candidates and voting intelligently. Obviously, they can't campaign. But they have the right, and the duty to try to control who it is that writes our foreign policy that gets us into wars, and makes us the victims of terrorism.
I am a retired Master Sergeant
Bush & Firemen
Thank you for your service to our country, Greg. Bless you and all of our military for their dedication to defending our Constitution and our lives.
Reminds me of the numerous photo ops that GW Bush has done during his terms in office. Particularly a week after Katrina hit... he went down to the Gulf Coast and had firemen tagging along for photo ops. Lots of documentation on this, and his photo ops after 9/11.
"Mission Accomplished" what crap.
Are the veterans a threat?
Hey retired Master Sergeant,
Firstly, let me sincerely thank you for your past patriotic duty to this country.
Second, how do you (and your military brothers both retired and active) feel about the Veteran Disarmament Act?
http://www.newswithviews....
http://www.abovetopsecret...
Does this make you retired (untrustworthy?) military heroes feel safer or more patriotic here at home?
Wow!
You know, some videos just don't need any explanation or elaboration, they speak VOLUMES for themselves. This is one of those videos...
How many hits had the first
How many hits had the first upload got?
Since when...
...does the Constitution allow for contracts that sell the rights enumerated therein? The government has no right to block free speech, regardless of what piece of paper you signed.
The UCMJ is a sack of crap, a partially secret document you don't even get to see before you sign up (in itself rendering all enlistment contracts invalid). I can tell you, though, and this is info that we aren't supposed to know, that there are many horrific parts of that code. One interesting combination is:
1. You are obligated to refuse an unlawful order, and further, to remove a commanding officer who issues an unlawful order.
2. If you committ a crime under orders, you are fully criminally liable per national and international law.
3. Refusing an order, regardless of circumstance, is an act of treason, and makes you subject to summary execution in the field.
4. Attempting to remove your commanding officer is mutiny, and an act of treason, and makes you subject to summary execution in the field.
Therefore, a soldier can be given an order which, no matter what they do, will make them executable under the law. Buncha bullshit.
Lets be realistic.
What you say is *true* BUT it misrepresents the facts.
If I issue and illegal order, let's say "Fire into that crowd of unarmed people" (just so there is no question that its illegal)
My subordinate says "Sir, I refuse to comply it's an illegal order"
I say "Do it any way"
He Says "No"
I say, "Ok, then PVT Goofy, you do it"
It is the responsibility of the otherwise highest ranking person to relieve me of command.
An officer cannot force you to execute an illegal order. And summary executions aren't on whim. You can't be exectued in the middle of a fight for not following orders. You would be court marshalled and could face summary execution if you were found to have refused/mutiny legal order. Nothing would happen to you if you refused an illegal order.
You make military officers out to be "the bad guys". Don't attack the military establishment because you are angry at neocons.
The problem is, even from
The problem is, even from what is publicly available, an order can only be declared unlawful AFTER THE FACT, in a court. The definitions of "lawful orders" are painfully vague. I am not trying to bash officers here, per se, but I will, indeed, bash the military establishment. We were never supposed to have standing armies. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I am sure that the way individual soldiers are treated is BS. I've known several former military men who were COMPLETELY SCREWED by the military.
One, an 80 year old man, was reactivated by mistake, and lost his benefits for months because, while he was trying to fix the situation, he was listed as AWOL and then as a deserter. He was actually arrested and put in jail when he was pulled over, at one point.
Another, a friend of mine, had his hip shattered in a botched training excercise, where some genuis dropped a crate on him during paratrooper training. He received a medical discharge, an the benefits due him. He was then mistakenly reactivated. He got it figured out and was discharged again, except this time, it was an administrative discharge, meaning no benefits.
The evidence useable against soldiers in trials is far more broad than that allowed against civilians. Some 17-year-old snot signs up and doesn't realize he just sold his life to a bunch of goddamn politicians who will throw his life and limbs away to build a "legacy", and that there's nothing they can do about it.
Again I say, the contracts one signs to join the military are invalid. They include an impossible signing away of rights, and do not allow for the signee to be fully informed as to the nature of the contract before signing.
Your anger is misdirected...
What you say you are angry at does happen. It is the VA and DoD that cause these problems, not the uniformed military.
Caring for soldiers is the #1 priority of officers and NCOs and every decent officer or NCO will tell you this.
In our military your EARN your rank as officers and NCOs. I was enlisted for 4 years before I commissioned, and I was never treated poorly by my command. The problems soldiers have is with pay and the VA. All of this has been taken over by civilians, and it is a messy bureacratic system.
Your statement that orders can only be declared unlawful after the fact is true. But the fact is there aren't guys being executed in the middle of combat, or a patrol simply because they refuse an order. That is the stuff of Hollywood.
Even if that was the case the officer would then be cahrged with murder if it was found that he "executed" someone for failing to follow and illegal order.
The military is very akin to libertarian ideals, in that your career is your responsibility. If your aren't keeping track of your pay/paperwork then you aren't going to catch things until they become a big problem. No one in the military is trying to screw soldiers over. They ARE soldiers.
This may be one of those topics where the looking glass is much clearer when you have spent time in the military. From the outside looking in a lot if things look and sound worse than they are.
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This clip should be seen by the entire world
Great job kid!
Its Back Up
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beelzebush66's post
Are you the guy in the video?
I am 'miketheday' that commented on YouTube.
This video is outstanding and should be preserved. I'm sending a link of it to Drudge.
Salute you.
If It Wasn't Military...
He is probably lucky as he was in the wrong in the military's eyes. He could have gotten into some pretty messy stuff had it stayed up long enough for his "superiors" to see it.
We need a nation that puts the voices of soldiers above all others, not one that hides them.
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I'm suprised it lasted that long
The soldier was actually in voilation of the UCMJ as I understand it. I watched the video.
What the general public doesnt understand is that there are limits to what members of the military can do politically.
The video itself and what he says in it is border line. Wearing part of his uniform is where he really crosses the line. There is no question that the policy does not allow you to make political statements for or against candidates while in uniform. You can't attend a rally in uniform etc.
The main thing here is that you cannot imply that your personal view represent the views of the military as a whole.
This is why you will never hear me give a speech in uniform, discuss my service/rank when speaking out of uniform, or submit articles/videos identifying myself as a military officer. I will speak of it one-on-one, but that is the extent of what is permitted. This is a NECESSARY function to keep partisan politics out of the military.
Then why...
Then why can McCain act like he can represent the views of the military as a whole? He explicitly stated he spoke for the military men and women, whereas this guy did not and chides McCain for doing so.
Military Participation in Politics
What you can do as a soldier varies greatly depending on whether you are active (VERY restricted) and a member of the Guard/Reserves (very few restrictions).
This guy is a guardsman- he shouldn't have worn even part of the uniform (though we can't be sure it was part of a real uniform- there was no insignia of any sort indicating service branch, rank, name, or any association with the US military).
As a guardsman, you can do essentially anything a civilian can do, including RUNNING FOR PARTISAN OFFICER, as long as you aren't in uniform.
I'm a Reserve officer- I'm allowed to donate to Ron Paul, precinct walk for Ron Paul, vote for Ron Paul, go to Ron Paul rallies, become a delegate for Ron Paul, blog for Ron Paul, etc as long as I'm not on duty and wearing the uniform.
www.ronpaul2008.com
Yeah reserves have more lieniancy
Even as a reservist though you're not allowed to present yourself as military and campaign for Ron Paul.
Like when I got canvassing out of uniform, I can't say, hello, I'm Capt. Snuffy, I I want you to vote for Ron Paul.
You can't run for a federal partisan office...Congress/Senate...Or atleast hold office and remain in service. Not sure if the IRR is ok for commissioned officers or not. I have been trying to find that out to see exactly what I would have to give up to run for a congressional seat.
I'm not a big fan of resigning my commission, so if going in to the IRR is sufficient that would be cool.
Removed by user
When I went to the original link, YouTube states that the video was removed by the user. Yes, he did use foul language, but I think that it added to the authenticity. I believe that he may have been pressured by higher-ups.
Yes, it probably was
But before you jump to the conculsion that its some military government conspiracy to supress Dr. Paul and promote the war...
I am well entrenched Ron Paul supporter, and activly talk to my peers in the Army about Ron Paul.
If this soldier was one of my soldiers, I would have ordered him to remove it as well. See my post above, but there are limits to what is appropraite aka legal for a soldier to do in uniform, and in support of a candidate.
With that said...
RESTORE THE REPUBLIC!
And elect me a real Commander in Chief!
he did use offensive language
Ron Paul 2008
Its a War.
Life and death, he gets to say shit.
i realize that, but its one of their valid reasons for pulling
i think his language was colorful
he didn't offend ME, but I could see where it offended others. Think of grannies watching it, kids, etc...
bump
We need to win. I know the soldiers, like this guy, depend on us to do just that. Give it your all. It makes me sick to my stomach to know that the extreme hardship these soldiers are going through is for nothing. They are dying in vain, just like in Vietnam.
Wow - I can't believe they
Wow - I can't believe they pulled it. That's such BS.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson